Re: IML: IML DIGEST

[Norm Johnson <norm_5000@xxxxxxxxx>]

1-24-05  I am new to IML. I own a '74 Imperial
LeBarron 4 door hard top and a '72 Newport Royal 4
door.  Norm
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> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:21:48 -0500
> From: JosephStil@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: IML: I haven't seen these before...
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> Wow!  Now THAT was interesting.
> 
> Shall I send the pic directly to Chris or have it
> posted to the site?
> 
> Anyone's thoughts?
> 
> Don't know which way to turn, in Allen, Texas...
> 
> In a message dated 1/19/2005 11:16:56 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, Christopher Hoffman
> <imperial67@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> 
> >The laws regarding side markers were kinda funny.
> They were part of the
> >sweeping FMVSS 108 (the Federal Motor Vehicle
> Safety Standard that phased in
> >everything from collapsible steering columns and
> seat belts to padded
> >interior surfaces, head restraints and recessed
> interior door handles, most
> >of which came into production between 1967 and
> 1969).
> >
> >In 1968 and 1969, either reflectors or illuminated
> side markers were
> >required. Chrysler Corp was the only automaker to
> do lights without
> >reflectors and then reflectors without lights
> nearly corporate-wide in 1968
> >and 1969 respectively (meaning the 1969 version was
> the cheaper approach...
> >Imperials were unique among Mopars in having the
> shark-gill front lamps
> >combining side marker lights and cornering lights
> but without reflectors).
> >Most GM and Ford products added front lamps and
> rear reflectors for 1968,
> >while most imports tended to both starting that
> year.
> >
> >For model year 1970, the law was clearer, requiring
> both. There remains no
> >law to this day that requires turn signals to be
> visible from the side,
> >however... a ridiculous oversight in my opinion but
> typical of our poorly
> >thought-out lighting laws that still allow one bulb
> to handle the brake
> >lamps, rear turn signals and taillamps under a red
> lens. To me, it's even
> >more ironic to see advanced lighting technology
> like LEDs used to produce
> >lighting no better at communicating a driver's
> intentions than lights did 50
> >years ago. But I digress... off the soap box,
> boy...
> >
> >Anyway, there are cars that use the front side
> markers to double as
> >side-visible turn signals, including a few Mopars
> starting in the late 1980s
> >with, of all models, the antiquated Jeep Grand
> Wagoneer (Grand Cherokees
> >still have this feature). It's a great feature
> accomplished entirely by the
> >wiring setup, meaning it adds a benefit at
> virtually no cost. (If anyone
> >wants to know how to wire their side markers to
> double as turn signals,
> >email me privately. I've converted a number of my
> cars to do this.) I think
> >the '90s Imperials might have been the first to do
> this, but owners of those
> >can tell me if Chrysler even bothered. It was
> common not to do this on cars
> >with cornering lights standard, so it might not
> have been included on any
> >Imperial.
> >
> >If Joe's '61 has these, they pre-date even
> Chrysler's use of their signature
> >fender-mounted turn signals, which were visible in
> most cases to both the
> >driver and a parallel driver in an adjacent lane,
> which means someone added
> >them. Their first use on an Imperial was in 1967
> (also the first year for
> >cornering lamps), though I think C-bodies offered
> them as early as the 1965
> >body change. The unusual aspect of the 1967-68
> design is that there were no
> >turn-signal indicator lamps on the dash (you know,
> the little green arrows),
> >so the fender-top indicators are all there is. But
> since they were standard
> >on all Imperials in those years (and I think every
> year thereafter through
> >the 1978 NYBs), I guess they figured the lights in
> the dash were not
> >necessary. But even Road Test magazine comments on
> how hard they were to see
> >in bright sunlight,a nd the original relay was
> rather quiet, too. Lesser
> >Mopars had both (dash and fender-top) because the
> fender-mounted turn
> >signals were optional, usually part of the basic
> option package A01 (and
> >after 1968, Imperials shared basic
> instrument-cluster designs with
> >lower-level Chryslers).
> >
> >I'd guess someone added them to this car from
> another car, maybe another
> >Chrysler. Joe, got any pix? I could probably ID
> their origin for you (send
> >it privately). Are they on the sides of the front
> fenders or on top? Either
> >way, no country required them this early, so I
> would imagine one of your
> >car's prior owners added them.
> >
> >OK, long story, so that's all for now!
> >
> >-- 
> >Chris in LA
> >67 Crown
> >78 NYB Salon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 1/19/05 6:44 pm, Mark Evans (evansma@xxxxxxxxxx)
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm having trouble imagining what they look like.
> Kinda like some European
> >> cars had in the 70's? Sounds like an aftermarket
> add-on though. I don't know
> >> of any dealer option for something like that.
> But, I'll never say "never".
> >> 
> >> Side marker lights are pretty interesting though.
> I haven't read the rules.
> >> But, in 1968, Chrysler put the famous "bullet"
> lights on the sides of their
> >> cars. In '69, they were reflectors. And, they
> were illuminated again in '70.
> >> I don't know of any Chrysler side markers that
> worked with the turn signals
> >> though.
> >> 
> >> Mark Evans
> >> 1963 Imperial Crown Convertible
> >
> >
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