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58CW
Posted 2022-10-11 12:07 PM (#624839)
Subject: 57 New Yorker Coupe in Finland


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Hi all

I have been following the forum for about 15 years as an owner of a 58 Windsor Coupe but never got my self into posting some pics and a story. Well, Windsor is now sold and 57 New Yorker has taken it's place as a Forward Looker in my garage among few other 50's cars. I fell in love with 57 New Yorkers as a 13 years old school kid reading an article in a Finnish American car magazine about a light pink 57 Coupe. It just had it all in it's style and since then it has been in the top 3 of the wish list. Well at the age of 16 the first project car was bought, 59 Ford Galaxie as the only 57 Yorker for sale that time was just way too expensive and there was not many other FL cars for sale either. Some years after that my father bought a 58 Windsor Coupe as he also is a fan of FL Mopars. It was a great solid California car with fantastic rust free body. But missing something in it's looks that the NY has, not to mention the HEMI... Over time the car ended up to my possession and every once in a while I thought of selling it and make an "upgrade" to New Yorker, 300, or Fireflite but I was kind of attached to the car sentimentally so some good deals passed. But 1,5 years ago a friend of mine informed that a 57 Yorker coupe popped up for sale just about 10 miles from my home. After getting some more information about the car I realized it is the very same car that was in the magazine article in 1990! So there was not much to do than make a deal to purchase the Yorker as it turned out still to be in a nice condition and later a sale of the old reliable Windsor.

Car has been imported to Finland from California in 1989 and is quite rust free. Engine and transmission has been overhauled and it is said to be equipped with 300's camshaft and exhaust manifolds but I have no proof of that and actually don't even know if there are different original exhaust manifolds for 392. After it arrived to Finland it was painted with original Shell Pink/Copper Brown Metallic and it is still nice. Most of the chrome is replated but some parts have been quite pitted so all the parts are not perfect. I will replace those if and when better ones shows up. First rechrome for bumbers were done in US before shipping and those were not good in quality and the plating litterally fell of. So for a while in the 90s the car had silver painted bumbers. It still has painted grille which I will replace in the coming winter with a good example I bought from Sweden. Interior is not done with original materials but is genuine leather. I have some thoughts of getting the original materials and redo the whole upholstery but let's see.

Car has some nice accesories such as power windows, power seat, deluxe radio, rear defogger. It had the dual antennas in the magazine article but those have mysteriously vanished over the years!

During my ownership I haven't done yet much work with it, mainly enjoyed driving it. Starter had to be replaced but a new one came with the car and small leakage in the radiator need to be fixed. Last winter I fixed the heater and installed original generator to replace the awfull newer Mopar alternator (which didn't charge in the idle either...) It also had some DIY park lenses which I managed to replace with good used pair that I found here in Finland. This winter I will try to replace power window swithches as most of them are out of order as well as the PS switch too. Plan is also to fix a set of Yorker wheel covers to replace the 57 Windsor ones that has been in the car the whole time here in Finland. And some small fixes here and there. It is also about to time to replace the tires. I am a fanatic of bias plys but it seems that the size 9.00X14 is a bit challenging to find with proper white wall and side profile of the tire. BFG has but they have a bit too "sixties tyre" look to me.

Attached some pictures, I will post some more from the engine and the vin plate etc. after I get well from this terrible flu I have been suffering.

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Kimmo





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57burb
Posted 2022-10-11 12:14 PM (#624840 - in reply to #624839)
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Wow, beautiful NYer! I enjoyed reading the story too. Thank you for sharing.
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Posted 2022-10-11 2:40 PM (#624843 - in reply to #624839)
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Spectacular!
Optional Extra Large Rear Window!!!
A data plate picture, PLEASE!!!
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Posted 2022-10-12 3:14 AM (#624858 - in reply to #624839)
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Kimmo, Congratulation!! I really could follow your train of thought. Mine was similar about 10 years ago. And please provide us with more pictures of your really nice car. I hope we see us sooner or later up north.

@Igor,- nope. The big rear window is standard on 57 NYers 2drht
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Posted 2022-10-12 6:05 AM (#624859 - in reply to #624839)
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Great car, I like your colour combination.Thanks for sharing your story - get well soon!
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Posted 2022-10-12 11:50 AM (#624861 - in reply to #624839)
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Very nice car and a great story, good luck with your dream car!
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58CW
Posted 2022-10-13 10:55 AM (#624866 - in reply to #624839)
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Thanks for kind words! I finally got my self in shape to go to the garage and take few pics from the engine (still with all the dirt and dust from the summer) and the dataplate. Would be really great if this could be decoded! I realized that I haven't taken that many photos of the car but I will try to dig out some more in the coming weeks.




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57burb
Posted 2022-10-13 12:30 PM (#624867 - in reply to #624839)
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MDL 166 - New Yorker 2dr Hardtop
PNT NMN - Shell Pink body, Copper Brown roof and insert
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SCH 1221 - Scheduled to be built December 21, 1956
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315 - Antenna - Twin Rear Manual
328 - Power Windows
326 - Power Front Seat
343 - Fender Ornaments
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335 - Mirror - Left Outside
334 - Mirror - Tilt Type
321 - Radio - Electro Touch Tuner
322 - Rear Shelf Speaker
323 - Heater - Custom Conditionaire
269 - ?
332 - Solex Glass
325 - Power Brakes
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Posted 2022-10-13 2:36 PM (#624872 - in reply to #624839)
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Kimmo: Thanks a lot for sharing the pictures!

Danny (57burb):
You forgot the code 353 – Rear Quarter Stone Shields (between 326 and 343);
Code 269 is a Delivery Route – Customer Drive
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Posted 2022-10-13 3:55 PM (#624873 - in reply to #624872)
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Thanks for the correction, Igor.

Here is a small look at the original fabric for Code 77, from this thread: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=49759



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58CW
Posted 2022-10-27 12:26 PM (#625185 - in reply to #624839)
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Thanks Danny and Igor for decoding the dataplate. Very interesting info. 334 Mirror-Tilt type does not ring a bell to me. What sort of a mirror it is referring to?

I have couple questions about the paintings under the hood. Should the sparkplug wire covers be black? I have seen several different versions when looking at photos in the Internet. Also I have seen painted Firepower texts in black or red and also non-painted ones.

And also a question regarding the plate between front bumber and grille. Mine is chromed but I have seen both chromed and silver painted ones. What is the correct version or have there been different ones already from the factory?

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Posted 2022-10-27 2:59 PM (#625193 - in reply to #624839)
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Yes, the wire covers were painted black. The oil filler cap was also painted black.

The metal face of the power brake booster was gold zinc plated, not painted.

The "Chrysler Firepower" script wasn't originally painted red or any other color, but some people like to highlight it by doing so.

Chrome bumper fillers were used on the Chrysler 300 and the New Yorkers. The Saratoga and Windsor had silver painted bumper fillers. Having both of them, I prefer the silver painted fillers because it highlights the chrome on the bumpers better.

But, if you are looking for originality, your interior is all wrong. Your dash is painted up like a '57 Windsor. No New Yorker came with that color scheme or dash pad. The seats & door panels are also very wrong.

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Posted 2022-10-27 4:06 PM (#625197 - in reply to #625185)
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Thanks Danny and Igor for decoding the dataplate. Very interesting info. 334 Mirror-Tilt type does not ring a bell to me. What sort of a mirror it is referring to?







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57burb
Posted 2022-10-28 4:35 PM (#625242 - in reply to #625193)
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Powerflite - 2022-10-27 1:59 PM

Yes, the wire covers were painted black. The oil filler cap was also painted black.
The metal face of the power brake booster was gold zinc plated, not painted.
The "Chrysler Firepower" script wasn't originally painted red or any other color, but some people like to highlight it by doing so.

All absolutely correct.

Chrome bumper fillers were used on the Chrysler 300 and the New Yorkers. The Saratoga and Windsor had silver painted bumper fillers.

New Yorkers and 300s had chrome plated fillers on the rear bumper. (only NYers had rear guards) New Yorkers had argent-painted front bumper fillers, 300s were chrome.

But, if you are looking for originality, your interior is all wrong. Your dash is painted up like a '57 Windsor. No New Yorker came with that color scheme or dash pad. The seats & door panels are also very wrong.

It's a code 77 interior. What makes you think the dash is "Windsor" style? I would have assumed Chrysler would have color-coordinated a pad instead of using a black one. Seats and door panels are reupholstered in non-stock colors but original New Yorker patterns for both. The optional upgraded interior codes (which code 77 is) used that pattern on the seats.

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Posted 2022-10-28 6:12 PM (#625246 - in reply to #625242)
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57burb - 2022-10-28 1:35 PM

New Yorkers and 300s had chrome plated fillers on the rear bumper. (only NYers had rear guards) New Yorkers had argent-painted front bumper fillers, 300s were chrome.


Thanks for adding that detail, you are right.


It's a code 77 interior. What makes you think the dash is "Windsor" style? I would have assumed Chrysler would have color-coordinated a pad instead of using a black one. Seats and door panels are reupholstered in non-stock colors but original New Yorker patterns for both. The optional upgraded interior codes (which code 77 is) used that pattern on the seats.


Most New Yorkers that were painted in Black/Gray/Reds/Pinks/Yellows defaulted to code 26 interior. If you were to "upgrade" to the optional all vinyl interior, I assume that most of those would convert to the 77 trim code. In that case, I would expect the dash to be painted in a similar fashion as the code 26 cars. However, I concede that given that the car has a brownish color on the sweep & roof, that maybe this car would have defaulted to code 27 instead. I must admit that I have never seen a code 27 New Yorker interior before, and it could look similar to the code 55 Windsor dash the way he has it. But having all the wrong materials in the seats and door panels eliminates any semblance of the original color scheme that should have matched the dash & pad colors.

A black New Yorker with a colorless 2nd tone could have been upgraded from code 26 to code 79 with red & cream. If that one is similar to the Windsor code 56, then the gauge pods would be red, the dash cream colored and maybe a black dash pad.

It's interesting to think of a black car with a colored 2nd tone. I suspect that the interior would follow the color of the 2nd tone, not the standard black scheme.
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Posted 2022-10-29 11:45 AM (#625258 - in reply to #624839)
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Trying to figure out what his dash pad color should be, I take a look at all the listed interior colors. The dash pad was painted the same color as the speaker cover & vents. These are all the colors listed for the '57 Chrysler. These should match or come close to the windshield molding colors.

Upper Instrument________Windshield Moldings

Danube Blue______________Danube Blue
Chateau Green____________Chateau Green
Gunmetal Gray____________Gunmetal Gray
Spectral Turquoise_________Spectral Turquoise
Jet Black_________________Jet Black
Teak Brown_______________Teak Brown
Storm Charcoal____________Bamboo Tan (Similar to '54 Cadillac copper color, according to color sheet description)

Notice that they all match each other, except for Storm Charcoal-Bamboo Tan

These are the available lower dash colors and I tried matching them with the upper colors where it is more obvious, but there are multiple possibilities with the non-colors like Jet Black etc.
Calico Blue______Danube Blue
Petal Green______Chateau Green
Glacier Blue______Spectral Turquoise
Silver Gray______Teak Brown (c26 NY)
Desert Beige_____Jet Black (c55 Windsor)
Off White/Cream (not listed!)_____Jet Black (c56 Windsor)
Tan (not listed!)___Jet Black (300C)

I would assume that Desert Beige is the proper color for the lower dash, but what should be the proper upper color? I seriously doubt that a New Yorker would have went with the same color scheme as a Windsor, so I expect that the upper dash color should either be Storm Charcoal with Bamboo Tan moldings, or possibly Gunmetal Gray with Gunmetal Gray moldings. But this is just a guess.


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58CW
Posted 2022-11-04 2:24 PM (#625364 - in reply to #624839)
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Very interesting speculation about my car's dash color! To me the dash looks that it has not been repainted and also the dash pad seems like it is original. Or then it has been replaced very long ago already in USA. Passenger side of the pad is "swollen" and we used a heat gun to get it atleast a bit nicer. It still looks pretty bad and my plan is to replace it with a new one from Sweden. Vents and speaker cover seems to be also either in original paint or repainted very long ago as the paint has peeled of in many places. Windshield moldings seem like a repainted ones.

Powerflite: My target is not to go 100% original with this one because it would mean that I would need to tear the whole car apart and do everything. I don't see it feasible, I think it would be wiser to start from a total project car which would need everything repaired or replaced anyway. But I will do some small fixes here and there and when doing so then fix them as they should be like painting the spark plug wire covers black. The big one which I might do is the interior with original materials but I have to admit that code 77 all vinyl beige interior is not as good looking as the ones with that nice mosaic pattern fabric so I might need to make a compromise there. I really like Danny's grayish silver and black interior. Thatkind of a color combination probably would fit nicely also with a shell pink car too.



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Posted 2022-11-05 2:05 AM (#625371 - in reply to #624839)
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I had a shell pink New Yorker 57 in the nineties which had the same dash color scheme . It was not restored when I got it.
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Posted 2022-11-05 2:51 PM (#625389 - in reply to #624839)
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Do you have any pictures of the interior Ralf?
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Posted 2022-11-05 4:23 PM (#625392 - in reply to #624839)
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The color was NLN and trim code 27. The dash was never touched when I got it and I should say it was Desert Beige base color and bronze gauges and black gauge background
piece. The dash pad was black,
The pictures are really s**tty ...copy of a copy....The seats were already redone but the door panels were original.

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Posted 2022-11-07 10:48 AM (#625419 - in reply to #624839)
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Posted 2022-11-07 1:38 PM (#625426 - in reply to #624839)
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The pink car looks nice, but it isn't even close to an original interior. The dash color always matches the package tray color and upper door panels. There was never a pink fabric option either. So everything is changed on it. The other pictures don't show me enough to determine anything.
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Posted 2022-11-07 5:13 PM (#625430 - in reply to #624839)
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That is the interior in James Van Burren's old unrestored '57 New Yorker. The inserts were replaced with SMS fabric but otherwise that car is exactly as it was built.

"Coral Mosaic Jacquard & Beige Saddle Grained Vinyl", Code 27
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Posted 2022-11-07 7:21 PM (#625431 - in reply to #624839)
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I remember James' car. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing that this is untouched or unrestored. I have the same unrestored beige upholstery in my Windsor, and it turns gray with time. Only the sections that saw no UV exposure still looked silvery pink - desert beige. James' seats don't look gray or silvery pink. They look more like the cream color upholstery. Check out the change in color on this seat from pink to gray. Ignore his "gold" and "green" notations. I think there was something wrong with his translation to English. It is really silvery pink & gray. The pleated upper section has the same pink beige vinyl that has turned gray with UV exposure. James' car is completely different and doesn't match this at all.

The middle of the door panels looks to correctly match the vinyl in the seats, but the upper portion doesn't match the dash as it does on every other '57 Chrysler interior. The dash pad is more of a dark brown color. I'm not sure if that is right or not. Is that supposed to be Storm Charcoal? It looks similar to Teak Brown, but too dark.

I'm surprised by the pink look to the fabric, though it is very possible that the colors on the picture of the fabric swaths that we have aren't accurate. So I'm willing to believe that is close to the right color. It would make the beige vinyl color more pink too - which it is, so that correlates, at least.

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Posted 2022-11-07 7:27 PM (#625432 - in reply to #624839)
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Notice that the black upper door frames match the dash color on the Windsors. The pink vinyl in the door is the exact same vinyl on the top of the seats, it's just that the seat vinyl has aged with UV exposure. The green-ish gray vinyl in the center of the door was originally a copper-brown color which matched the seat fabric & guages, but quickly changed color with time.
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Posted 2022-11-08 11:14 AM (#625442 - in reply to #625431)
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Powerflite - 2022-11-07 6:21 PM

I remember James' car. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing that this is untouched or unrestored.


Well he was a stickler for originality, and claimed it was all-original, so... It has 100% of the correct stitching and heat-pressed pleats of the NYer vinyl interior on the seats and door panels. I have correspondence that shows the only thing replaced on that interior was the seat fabric. I even called out the piping as looking "aftermarket" to my eye and he quickly corrected me:

"As for the piping the original is hard plastic believe it or not ! It’s like a metallic pewter’s bronze type colour . The only reason my trimmer could reuse the original piping is because it was hard plastic."

James' seats don't look gray or silvery pink. They look more like the cream color upholstery.

That car was built with Code 27 "Coral Mosaic Jacquard & Beige Saddle Grained Vinyl", so I would not expect to see it be gray or silvery pink. Cream is pretty close to beige?

I'm surprised by the pink look to the fabric,

Pink is pretty close to coral?

I also know Scott, the guy that James bought it from. He found the car with 4x,xxx miles and got it from the second owner who had owned it since 6,xxx miles. They all claimed the car is in original condition.
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/so-long-colonel-ill-take...

The pink car, I believe, is a reference car for an OEM NYer hardtop interior. Not sure how we got to this point, but I sure do love the OP's beautiful Chrysler!



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Posted 2022-11-08 2:28 PM (#625449 - in reply to #624839)
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The reason why the Windsor vinyl material is relevant is because a code 55 Windsor is described with the exact same wording "Beige Saddle Grained Vinyl". The exact same wording, and we know VERY well what that looks like from numerous, verifiably original interiors. People saying that a restored car is all original is completely meaningless because they have no idea what changes have been made to it. I trust a ratty untouched interior much more than something that has been restored. It has been 70 years. Any interior that still works & looks nice, has been replaced - guaranteed. The verifiably original interior in my '56 Belvedere looked perfect on the front seat. But it rips apart and crushes as soon as you sit on it. All the foam & fabrics go to crap.

No comment about the dash pad matching the door panels? This isn't a reference interior. No way - at least not until we can verify it somehow. There are too many irregularities to account for. Pink dash pad color wasn't an available option. Therefore, the door panels have been replaced unless Chrysler made this one interior an odd exception. Nothing else you can conclude. And if they still think this car is "all original" even with the wrong color door panels, there is no telling what else has been changed around.

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Posted 2022-11-08 4:31 PM (#625454 - in reply to #624839)
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James mentioned that his upper door panels were covered in Aspro Pink. I have no idea where he got that name from and don't find any mention of it. Do you have a reference to this color vinyl from somewhere?
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Posted 2022-11-08 5:43 PM (#625457 - in reply to #625454)
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"That is all the original vinyl from new except the armesrt covers , that's some long grain vinyl that looks aweful . The interior didn't quite come looking like this , tahts probably why the car didn't sell so well . It had an over cover on the front seat in beige , the seats were dirty and the cloth inserts were worn from age . Once I removed the over cover , scrubbed the vinyl up and bought some NOS Insert fabric from SMS and had my trimmer painstakingly resew all the old holes and fit the new insert even using the original hard plastic unobtanium metallic satin gold piping , its all 1957 again . The main vinyl is beige with a pinky hue to it , and the lower rear door panels are an aspro pink and the main door panels are the beige and aspro pink ."

Aspro is a brand of aspirin that was common throughout the UK and commonwealth. The signage is a pinkish coral color and I'd guess that's what he's talking about.
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Aspro

He literally posted in your thread that the only thing non-original in the interior is the arm rests - and then showed pictures of the arm rests not matching the rest of the interior. He also sent me a pic of the beige "over cover" that he removed from the front seat when fixing up the interior. I have to assume you're right that the foam was replaced, but other than that and the jacquard fabric - and knowing James' insistence on originality - most of that interior is "original from new." I have seen no reason yet to not believe him.

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Posted 2022-11-08 9:54 PM (#625462 - in reply to #624839)
Subject: Re: 57 New Yorker Coupe in Finland



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By the way, I have 2 large rolls of that "hard plastic unobtanium metallic satin gold piping". So much of it that I am willing to share, because there's no way I'm going to be able to use it all. You can actually get it from SMS as well, for a lot of $$. It looks just like the unexposed gold piping on the Windsor seat above. When exposed, it eventually turns a darker color, like on James' seats. I do agree that the stitching and pattern look very original on his seats. If they are indeed original as he says, then I have to conclude that the fabric book description is wrong, and that code 27 really came with Light Beige fabric, as described in code 77, not just Beige like the Windsor. The swath of code 77 looks a little darker than 27, so those descriptions might have been switched, but impossible to really tell from that picture.
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