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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-04-15 8:17 PM (#611100)
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Bought myself a birthday present -- the 57 Fireflite is the new addition to the family.

 





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miquelonbrad
Posted 2021-04-15 8:37 PM (#611101 - in reply to #611100)
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Wow-y!!! Nice birthday gift! Love it!
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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-04-15 8:41 PM (#611104 - in reply to #611101)
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Thanks, Brad!
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1960fury
Posted 2021-04-15 8:42 PM (#611105 - in reply to #611100)
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Nice! Happy birthday!
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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-04-15 8:43 PM (#611106 - in reply to #611105)
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Danke!
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MrIncredible
Posted 2021-04-15 10:42 PM (#611110 - in reply to #611100)
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My birthday is coming up-I'll run it past the wife.



Happy birthday! Beautiful car.
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22mafeja
Posted 2021-04-16 3:04 AM (#611116 - in reply to #611100)
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What a car-what a gift!
Black-white combo is stunning..
Ouch I had my birthday 11.04.....forgot to get myself a fireflite...hmm my firedome have to go on without company..
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Posted 2021-04-16 4:41 AM (#611120 - in reply to #611100)
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Sweet, a faboulus car, happy birthday!
Makes me wonder if the wife would like to have a gift of the same price range for her birthday
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58coupe
Posted 2021-04-16 11:19 AM (#611132 - in reply to #611100)
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Beautiful Desoto. I had a 55 Studebaker President coupe like yours my senior year of school though not the fancier model. Blew the engine up graduation night and then bought my first Plymouth Fury.
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Posted 2021-04-16 11:54 AM (#611139 - in reply to #611100)
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Congratulations! I've always liked the black/white combo and I have a couple of them myself. Enjoy!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2021-04-16 7:52 PM (#611156 - in reply to #611100)
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57Fireflite - 2021-04-15 6:17 PM

Bought myself a birthday present -- the 57 Fireflite is the new addition to the family.

 

Ok, so you have excellent taste.  This is established.  A President Speedster all resplendent in Hialeah and Sun Valley?  Very, very nice. 

 



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2021-04-16 8:23 PM (#611157 - in reply to #611156)
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Lookit where you live too...it looks like Awesomeville

corner lot, flowers bloomin everywhere

 



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frwl
Posted 2021-04-17 4:00 AM (#611167 - in reply to #611100)
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Congrats!!!

My wife's birthday at April 15 also!!!

Might you post an engine bay picture and the cowl?

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Posted 2021-04-17 4:01 AM (#611168 - in reply to #611100)
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and the cowl TAG please?
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Posted 2021-04-17 9:46 AM (#611170 - in reply to #611100)
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What a fortunate find. I only wish I could find a 1960 Fireflite 2HT in that condition.

Congrats!

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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-10-14 12:36 AM (#615867 - in reply to #611110)
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MrIncredible - 2021-04-15 7:42 PM

My birthday is coming up-I'll run it past the wife.



Happy birthday! Beautiful car.


Thanks!

So.... how'd it go?
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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-10-14 12:37 AM (#615868 - in reply to #611168)
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frwl - 2021-04-17 1:01 AM

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and the cowl TAG please?


Sure thing... I'll see if I can get those in the next day or two.

Sorry for the late replies...!
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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-10-14 12:41 AM (#615869 - in reply to #611156)
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Lancer Mike - 2021-04-16 4:52 PM

57Fireflite - 2021-04-15 6:17 PM

Bought myself a birthday present -- the 57 Fireflite is the new addition to the family.

 

Ok, so you have excellent taste.  This is established.  A President Speedster all resplendent in Hialeah and Sun Valley?  Very, very nice. 

 



Thanks, Mike! Rare to find someone who knows what it is, let alone the color scheme -- I appreciate it!

I've had the Speedster for 20 years; my first car project bringing it back from the brink of death; the DeSoto needs hardly anything but I'm putting my personal touches on it (not custom).
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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-10-14 12:43 AM (#615870 - in reply to #611139)
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Yessir!

My life goal is to have a bunch of them... until then, the two I've got keep me poor but happy.
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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-10-14 10:36 PM (#615897 - in reply to #611168)
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frwl - 2021-04-17 1:01 AM

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and the cowl TAG please?


Here they are; those good at decoding will note that something is amiss...



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56D500boy
Posted 2021-10-14 11:38 PM (#615898 - in reply to #615897)
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frwk (Igor) will no doubt fix you up with a decode. In the mean time, I would suggest that it wouldn't be the end of the world to remove that data tag and chemically strip the paint from it and then paint it with just one light coat, e.g. black, before reinstalling. There are so many layers of paint on there that details of BDY PNT and TRM are drowning in paint.

Speaking of paint, the original paint code looks like HLH which should be Fiesta Red and White (no Black)





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frwl
Posted 2021-10-15 3:21 PM (#615909 - in reply to #611100)
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James: Thanks for posting;
Dave: Thanks for reminding!

Upper Row:

SCH 147 = Scheduled on April 27, 1957 approximately
SEQ 160 = 60th car built that day
BDY 166 = Fireflite Sportsman 2 Door Hardtop
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PNT HLH = Originally Paint Fiesta Red roof, White body and Fiesta Red inserts
TRM 545 = Red Vinyl and Gray Westminster Tweed
TR (blanc) = Torqueflite Transmission as Standard Equipment

Middle Row:

AG2 =Accessory Group No. 2 includes:
Hand Brake Warning Signal
Heater and Defroster
White Side Wall Tires
Dual Exhaust
Electric Clock
Windshield Washer
Left Outside Rear View Mirror
Prismatic Mirror
Vanity Mirror
Safety Cushion Dash Panel
Rear Seat Speaker
Radio with Search Finder

Fireflite Accessory Group No. 1 has same optional equipment except Radio less Search Finder

PB9 = Power Brakes
PW5 = Power Windows

Lower Row:

A3 = Interior Trim Group (no info what exactly it is)

Sorry, but your car has not next equipment from the factory:

Front Bumper Guards
Rear Quarter Stone Shields
Power Seat
Air Conditioning
Undercoating

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frwl
Posted 2021-10-15 3:24 PM (#615910 - in reply to #611100)
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The trim code 545 chip:



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CaprockClassics
Posted 2021-10-15 9:14 PM (#615917 - in reply to #611100)
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Lovely Desoto! Love the current color scheme even better than the original. Interior and engine bay look so nice and clean!

~Peter
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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-10-16 1:29 AM (#615925 - in reply to #615898)
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56D500boy - 2021-10-14 8:38 PM

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frwk (Igor) will no doubt fix you up with a decode. In the mean time, I would suggest that it wouldn't be the end of the world to remove that data tag and chemically strip the paint from it and then paint it with just one light coat, e.g. black, before reinstalling. There are so many layers of paint on there that details of BDY PNT and TRM are drowning in paint.

Speaking of paint, the original paint code looks like HLH which should be Fiesta Red and White (no Black)





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Hey! Thanks for the paint codes AND the interior swatches (saved those for a maybe someday project) -- yessir, astute observation on color scheme. I am going to strip that body tag as you suggest -- tomorrow.
Thanks again!

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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-10-16 1:38 AM (#615926 - in reply to #615917)
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CaprockClassics - 2021-10-15 6:14 PM

Lovely Desoto! Love the current color scheme even better than the original. Interior and engine bay look so nice and clean!

~Peter


Thanks, Peter.
I'm fortunate to have found this gem...
I've been tinkering on it -- e.g., rebuilt the window switches, added sound deadening material to cabin, doors and trunk -- but next order of business is a leaking axle seal.

James
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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-10-16 1:45 AM (#615927 - in reply to #615909)
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frwl - 2021-10-15 12:21 PM

:cool:


Thank you, Igor for the thorough decoding -- that's really cool and good to have on file!
Fortunately, I have a pretty good history (photos, receipts dating back to the 60s) on the car and it meant a lot to the original owner who named it Jezebel -- it was her pride and joy. It's a head turner and I look forward to driving it much, much more.

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57Fireflite
Posted 2021-10-16 1:50 AM (#615928 - in reply to #611100)
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Question for the group:
I have a Service Manual for it as well as a large parts book -- are there any other books I should have on it? The service manual seems a bit basic so anything more detailed for those of us new to ForwardLookers would be great to reference. Thanks!
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57Fireflite
Posted 2022-10-03 12:06 PM (#624667 - in reply to #615909)
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Igor, everyone

I noticed there is no mention of power steering either included or excluded on the tag decoding.

Does this mean it’s likely it didn’t come with it? Current engine is from an S24 and has PS.

Parts manual shows a dual pulley set up, 1826 158 that looks a lot like the current set up…

Help appreciated! Thanks!

Jimbo
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frwl
Posted 2022-10-03 6:56 PM (#624674 - in reply to #611100)
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Yes, you are absolutely right: there is no power steering option stamped on the ’57 DeSoto data plates;
The power steering presence can be viewed on the build card only – it has order code 338 (the power brakes have 339), as on the picture below: PS = 8, PB = 9:




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57Fireflite
Posted 2022-10-05 1:16 AM (#624701 - in reply to #611100)
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Holy cow. Didn't know there was such a thing! I'll go looking for one for my fireflite. thanks!
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ToMopar
Posted 2022-10-05 1:57 AM (#624703 - in reply to #611100)
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Jimbo,- the build card is available at Stellantis. They will make a copy for you if you pay a few $$
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56D500boy
Posted 2022-10-05 9:43 AM (#624707 - in reply to #624703)
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ToMopar - 2022-10-04 10:57 PM
Jimbo,- the build card is available at Stellantis. They will make a copy for you if you pay a few $$


Not even. Free now. But no letter. Just a pdf of the IBM card scan.

Email (or mail) Danielle with your car's VIN and proof of ownership (scan of your registration or ???)

Danielle Szostak-Viers
Historical Services
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Detroit, MI 48288

danielle.szostak@stellantis.com

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57burb
Posted 2022-10-05 10:30 AM (#624708 - in reply to #624667)
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57Fireflite - 2022-10-03 11:06 AM

I noticed there is no mention of power steering either included or excluded on the tag decoding.

Does this mean it’s likely it didn’t come with it?


Remember that the tag only shows optional equipment.

So if there is no specific option code on the tag for PS, that means one of three things: A) it's a model that has PS as standard equipment, B) PS is part of an accessory group listed elsewhere on the tag, or C) the car just wasn't built with PS.

Did Fireflites have PS as standard equipment? My New Yorker did, and I know that 300s and Adventurers did.

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Posted 2022-10-05 10:51 AM (#624709 - in reply to #624708)
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Posted 2022-10-05 1:12 PM (#624710 - in reply to #611100)
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57Fireflite
Posted 2022-10-06 7:24 PM (#624730 - in reply to #611100)
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Very interesting, thanks guys.

Background on this situation—
Original engine is at the machine shop being assessed for rebuild; current engine [with PS] is from an S24 (and a spare distributor that came in the box o’ stuff x-references to an S24 Adventurer which I don’t yet understand) so I’m trying to figure out if it originally came with PS and if so, can I use the existing set-up (post#624667 in this thread)… so much yet to learn and figure out!

Appreciate all the help!
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