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Posted 2024-05-07 12:52 PM (#635060 - in reply to #608351)
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I'm probably wrong said "license plate frame" instead "license plate escutcheon"...

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Posted 2024-05-07 1:04 PM (#635062 - in reply to #608351)
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Scrolling down this thread, I saw a couple LA-built 1958 Dodge cowl tags on the first page;
They have code M2 = 3 on, and it means D-500 engine (order code 373):

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=75340&...

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Posted 2024-05-07 1:04 PM (#635063 - in reply to #608351)
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Posted 2024-05-07 1:10 PM (#635064 - in reply to #608351)
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So, maybe this Chrysler equipped with optional engine from Saratoga (4BBL carburetor and Dual exhaust) ?
Or just dual exhaust?

Nope. Cannot see dual exhaust pipes...

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Posted 2024-05-07 1:14 PM (#635065 - in reply to #608351)
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It seems the rear license plate frame / escutcheon was standard equipment;
Bumper Guards have order code 356... is not matching to M2 = 2

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Posted 2024-05-07 1:47 PM (#635068 - in reply to #608351)
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Here another LA-built 1958 Chrysler - Saratoga;
Power Brakes were optional equipment on all Chryslers except 300D;
This Saratoga equipped with Power Brakes, but the slot M2 is empty, so this is not Power Brakes...

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Posted 2024-05-07 1:57 PM (#635069 - in reply to #608351)
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Posted 2024-05-07 2:01 PM (#635071 - in reply to #635058)
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frwl - 2024-05-07 9:49 AM

Powerflite - 2024-05-06 6:19 PM

I would seriously doubt that the license frame would be coded on the LA body tag.
I have never seen that encoded even on Detroit-built cars in '57 or '58.
I suspect that it was installed at the dealer and they didn't bother to encode it on the tag.
Do you have an example of one that has it encoded in these years?

Yes, I have.
Matt (aka christine-lover) cleared up this fact by 1958 Dodge Coronet:

«5 under the 58 is for spring special license plate escutcheon and fin end caps. The dealer script is Reedman in Langhorne PA. I’ve worked for them since 2004, now Reedman-Toll.»

Look at this thread:

Viewing a thread - 58 Coronet 2dr Hardtop Spring Special (forwardlook.net)

Wrong. You can't make examples between Dodge & Chrysler! They didn't cooperate between them at all. Also, that Dodge frame wasn't even close to the same thing. It was part of the spring special items. The Chrysler frame is just a lame dealer accessory. Not the same thing at all. My question was if you could find a 316 code for 1957 Chrysler or a 382 code for a 1958 Chrysler that was actually listed on the body tag. I tend to doubt it.

The license plate frame is not standard equipment. It's a lame dealer accessory that goes around just the license plate, by iteslf. It's not the "escutcheon" bezel that goes over the larger area on the trunk. I mentioned the bumper guards not as the explanation for M2=2, but as a possible part of accessory group 2.

Do you have an option code for the large rear window on the 2dr Windsor/Saratoga? Until you figure that out, you don't know what you are doing. That's the biggest option that this car has and wasn't very common.

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Posted 2024-05-07 2:35 PM (#635073 - in reply to #608351)
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1958 Chrysler Solex Tinted Glass Options

465 = Solex Tinted Glass – Windshield Only
466 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows
467 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows and Shaded Windshield
469 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows and Large Shaded Rear Window (Vistorama)

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Posted 2024-05-07 2:39 PM (#635074 - in reply to #608351)
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There are no optional Glass ends on "2"...
Maybe CLEAR large rear windows has code 462... just guessing...

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Posted 2024-05-07 2:53 PM (#635075 - in reply to #608351)
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What the reason to code large rear window on the data plate, when the body that moving on the assembly line has equipped this item already? I’m just try to figure out...

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Posted 2025-04-13 11:29 AM (#639673 - in reply to #608351)
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A four years ago, Robert (RDP) posted ’56 Plymouth build sheet in this thread;
Here revised decoding info:

SG – 1 – 381 – Solex Tinted Glass
M3 – 4 – 424 – Full Dress Trim Package: Sun Cap Visor Windshield Trim and Drip Rail Moulding
M5 – 5 – 415 – Accessory Group 411 + 413 including:

411 – Rain Shield, Cigar Lighter, Wheel Covers, Directional Signals, Glove Box Lock
413 – Back Up Lights, Windshield Washer, Variable Speed Wipers

M6 – 1 – 481 – Sportone Special Paint
M8 – 3 – 353 – Powerflite Transmission
M9 – 8 – Delivery Route by Rail

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Posted 2025-04-13 11:30 AM (#639674 - in reply to #608351)
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M3 column codes for 1956 Plymouths ONLY:

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Posted 2025-04-13 11:31 AM (#639675 - in reply to #608351)
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M5 column codes for 1956 Plymouths ONLY:

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Posted 2025-04-13 11:32 AM (#639676 - in reply to #608351)
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M6 column code for 1956 Plymouths ONLY:

Three-digit numbers such as “661” are for STANDARD two-tone paint;
Fourth-digit numbers such as “6611” are for SPORTONE paint – the last “1” in “6611” means SPORTONE order code 481…

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Posted 2025-04-13 11:33 AM (#639677 - in reply to #608351)
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Posted 2025-04-13 11:43 AM (#639678 - in reply to #608351)
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Now, it leaves to figure out what column does show the 421 and 422 order codes;
Need a ’56 Plymouth Plaza or Savoy data plate pictures with optional side spear trim…

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Posted 2025-04-13 1:00 PM (#639680 - in reply to #608351)
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http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=80054&...

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Posted 2025-09-12 2:07 PM (#641412 - in reply to #608351)
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I can't understand why I didn't post these photos earlier...

1957 Plymouth Savoy 2-Door Hardtop:

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Posted 2025-09-12 2:32 PM (#641413 - in reply to #608351)
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To '57 Savoy pictures above:

EW 5 / 6 = 385 / 386 codes are power front or front & rear windows, I guess;
M2 = 1 = 311 = 1957 Plymouth Accessory Groups can be viewed on the top of the second picture (311 / 178):

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Posted 2025-11-16 2:16 PM (#641991 - in reply to #608351)
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100140 !
this rebuilding damages it more than it fixes it

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56D500boy

Posted 2025-11-16 4:04 PM (#641992 - in reply to #641991)
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I am amazed that some people go to a lot of work to install "upgrades" and then overlook some otherwise important things like protecting the
cowl build tag.

In this case, the tag could have been either removed before painting (those are just "normal" Phillips screws not security screws) *OR* masked off the
the tag to protect it from heavy layer(s) of paint.

One thing that I find "funny" is the fact that I can still see the tell tail sign of the car being and LA car: You can still see where the tape to hold the build
sheet used along the production line was taped to the tag.

This one:

My D500's and it's air-conned D500 twin's (these ones with security screws):

frwl

Posted 2025-11-17 5:19 AM (#641997 - in reply to #608351)
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M1 = 2 might be decoded as a Solex Tinted Glass at all windows and Large Shaded Rear Window - seen on the photo;
Large Rear Window was optional on Windsor & Saratoga Hardtops, Standard on New Yorker & 300E Hardtops

1959 Chrysler Solex Tinted Glass order codes availability:

461 – Large Shaded Rear Window only
462 – All Windows and Large Shaded Rear Window
466 – All Windows and Shaded Windshield

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Posted 2025-11-17 5:28 AM (#641998 - in reply to #608351)
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Here interesting old thread about LA-built '59 Chrysler

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=77903&...

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Posted 2025-11-17 10:21 AM (#641999 - in reply to #608351)
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100246 !

1959 Chrysler Windsor Two Door Hardtop
Sold for $25,300 inclusive of applicable buyer's fee
RM | Auctions - THE PATE COLLECTION 5 JUNE 2010
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Chassis No. M514100246

https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/fw10/lots/r201-1959-chrysler-windsor...

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