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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-03 8:33 AM (#607355)
Subject: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?



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My brother says he maybe able make these with some dimensions. Thanks for any info.!



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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-04 8:35 AM (#607396 - in reply to #607355)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?



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Nobody? O.K I'll ask Jay leno.
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Posted 2021-01-04 8:35 AM (#607397 - in reply to #607355)
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Nobody? O.K I'll ask Jay leno.



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Posted 2021-01-04 10:58 AM (#607400 - in reply to #607397)
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I have an original and a 3D printed replica, and I have the digital files.

I wasn't able to find anyone local that could make an accurate replica from an appropriate material. I might pick up the project again this year and make a few sets.

Let me know if you or your brother want to go in. They are 11 9/16" long, btw.



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Posted 2021-01-04 1:40 PM (#607403 - in reply to #607400)
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If this ever comes to pass, put me down for two emblems.
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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-04 6:58 PM (#607418 - in reply to #607400)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?



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Wow thanks Danny! I'll PM you my brother's email. Yes just 3D Print in satin silver and gold for now. maybe a melt-able filament for casting later. We don't have a kiln.

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sermey
Posted 2021-01-08 1:51 PM (#607498 - in reply to #607355)
Subject: RE: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?


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Marc, it is an illusion to think, with a few dimensions an emblem can be correctly modeled.

I have taken the shown picture and adapted the dimensions to my existing CAD design you showed. Can see, the letters are absolutely irregular arranged (various distances). Note the many various values just for the letters (Pic 1).

In my model, as shown up, I put all letters equidistant. The final sketch then must be scaled to the real size, this sketch here is just a proportional design. The angles, the thicknesses and all other geometrical values must be taken from the Original part to become real!

That’s why I purchased recently the letter-insert of the D500 Emblem in order to get the interconnection to the part (Pic 2). There was no chance to get borrowed an original emblem from a FWL-member. The same with the “Fulie” Emblem . . . .

It would be too easy to give a few dimensions of my car to somebody and asking to model it. The problems are the details! This emblem is somewhat tricky for a CAD-design. Anyway, good luck to your brother! 

Tell if I can be of any assistance. - SERGE -   ;)



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(01 Letters INJECTION.jpg)



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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-09 6:09 PM (#607570 - in reply to #607498)
Subject: RE: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?



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Thanks Serge! I have a line on a CAD file, Just want to make a couple for my 58 Plymouth Pickup project. Still looking for a 2x2 intake for a 392, 325, 350 or even a 318 poly that looks factory style. Marc.
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Posted 2021-01-11 12:47 AM (#607602 - in reply to #607355)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?


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I don't have, and will probably never be able to afford one of the few fuel-injected cars (and we now know there are at most, two left), but I'd buy a pair of the 3-D produced emblems for decoration. About how much do you think you'd want for them?

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sermey
Posted 2021-01-12 1:02 PM (#607656 - in reply to #607355)
Subject: RE: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?


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For your brother Marc: The print screen of INJECTION, how I draft from pictures. The dimensions and the size are not correct, as I don't got any values until now. I hope to get some from 57burb as owner of this emblem. To avoid lense distortions of a camera, best for this emblem is to use a flat bed scanner.

I wonder that nobody has come up to the demand of Marc:  lenght - width - height (in mm, accuracy 0.1mm).

The proportions I selected according esthetic harmony and appeal. They NOT correspond to the upper dimensions showed. This draft here is as in "Fuel Injection6.jpg" I presented in an earlier thread.

I hope it helps somewhat.  - SERGE -

 

Interesting: the letters are absolute horizontal, but the design induce the feeling that they slant to the right side!   :o



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(Logo INJECTION.jpg)



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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-16 2:08 PM (#607777 - in reply to #607355)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?



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My brother got this far so far...



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sermey
Posted 2021-01-17 6:48 AM (#607802 - in reply to #607777)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?


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mstrug - 2021-01-16 8:08 PM My brother got this far so far...

Your brother did a nice job, Marc. Your picture fuelinjection1.jpg is the best one I got for reference.

Unfortunately it looks that your brother used as reference for the letters my template with the wrong dimensions. The difference becomes obvious when comparing the picture (fuelinjection1.jpg) in the background to his picture (Fuel Injection95.jpg) in the front . The contours are not congruent in distance (01). The size of the pictures are set to the indicated lenght by 57burb: 11 9/16" = 293.6mm, keeping all proportions. Now I will recheck my wrong distances referring to shown 20210104.jpg. Apart of the lenght, the height would be usefull, as the photos have lens distortions.

I wonder if today the dimensions in US are still handeled in inches, as when I did a project 30 years ago for a US Company (02). All is in AUTOCAD, first dimensioned in mm, and then simply switched units to inches. Can see, models in 2D-CAD are very complex, more demanding, for it needs plenty of sections to define a 3D-body. Today working with 3D-CAD all looks like a game. Everyone can do it. -  Just do it!    - SERGE -   

 

BTW: I am not designer. Once a designer answered "it's not possible". I replied "thanks, you did your job. Now I will do it!" and started by the way designing! Later I realised things I had never dreamed in earlier times - and I am still not a designer!



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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-18 6:32 AM (#607837 - in reply to #607355)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?



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Thank Serge! I'll let him know. That Rendering is great! Did you know PLA filament can be used in a lost wax style casting? I understand Bronze isn't much higher (520'F more.) for a melting point as Aluminum. It can be chromed! Marc.
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Posted 2021-01-18 11:42 PM (#607868 - in reply to #607355)
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I'm ambivalent!  On one hand, it is the penultimate 1958 emblem; perhaps even the ultimate ForwardLook emblem - who wouldn't want it?  On the other, would I actually put it on my non-fuel injected car?  Does it cheapen the sole survivor extant?  I don't know.  I hate to buy something I don't use, but I want to support this effort.  

 

Somebody had these things on eBay, didn't they?

 



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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-19 5:01 PM (#607896 - in reply to #607868)
Subject: RE: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?



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Lancer Mike - 2021-01-18 10:42 PM

I'm ambivalent!  On one hand, it is the penultimate 1958 emblem; perhaps even the ultimate ForwardLook emblem - who wouldn't want it?  On the other, would I actually put it on my non-fuel injected car?  Does it cheapen the sole survivor extant?  I don't know.  I hate to buy something I don't use, but I want to support this effort.  

 

Somebody had these things on eBay, didn't they?

 



Ours will be close, but nor totally correct, Danny's will be dead on since he has one: I have an original and a 3D printed replica, and I have the digital files.

I wasn't able to find anyone local that could make an accurate replica from an appropriate material. I might pick up the project again this year and make a few sets.

Let me know if you or your brother want to go in. They are 11 9/16" long, btw.

I want in but don't have the computer literacy, My brother is working with pictures and some Dimensions.
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sermey
Posted 2021-01-23 5:20 AM (#608067 - in reply to #607355)
Subject: RE: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?


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Here another 1958 Fuel Injection Emblem (Chrysler 300D), offered for US1990. I modeled from seller picture in 3 hours, but need as well dimensions (Diameter). Then easy to "scale" to original size, and ready for 3D-Print.
A fantastic FWL emblem, here nicer than Original!  - SERGE -  


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Posted 2021-01-23 12:24 PM (#608072 - in reply to #607355)
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The OD is the same as the standard ones.
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Posted 2021-01-23 1:04 PM (#608079 - in reply to #607355)
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And, the OD of the standard emblem is????? ??
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Posted 2021-01-23 2:06 PM (#608086 - in reply to #607355)
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There is a ring around the outside edge that sits under the chrome. The OD of the visible part is 4.985", and the OD of the part under the ring is 5.285". The visible part steps down by about .09" to the ring under the chrome. THere are also tabs around the outside, I'm not sure how many (maybe just one to the right?) that are .35" wide with a .167" protrusion. I assume this is used to prevent it from rotating in the mount. But it doesn't sit at the center, it's approximately .3" below center. The whole emblem is domed, not flat.

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Posted 2021-01-23 2:26 PM (#608088 - in reply to #607355)
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Superb, thanks' Nathan!!
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sermey
Posted 2021-01-23 3:18 PM (#608091 - in reply to #608088)
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Thanks Nathan and Sven. Here the base picture, left the SideView of the CAD, domed but not enough. Would be nice to get the over all height of the dome, and the thickness of the plastic plate. 

Of course as I said: best is have the original in Hand. - SERGE -

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Posted 2021-01-23 3:18 PM (#608092 - in reply to #608088)
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Thanks Nathan and Sven. Here the reference base picture, left the SideView of the CAD, domed but obviously not enough. Would be nice to get the over all height or the radius of the dome, and the thickness of the plastic plate.

For the letters "FUEL INJECTION" I used a standard font, will then translate from the picture.

Of course as I said: best is to have the Original in hand. - SERGE -



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(1958 Chrysler 300D Fuel Injection Emblem CAD Side-SectionView domed.jpg)



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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-27 6:45 AM (#608250 - in reply to #607355)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injection emblem length? width, Height?



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Still working on it, Getting closer:





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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-29 6:31 AM (#608312 - in reply to #607355)
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No CAD or file yet, so we will be pressing on, imperfect as it may be. Marc.



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sermey
Posted 2021-01-29 12:11 PM (#608328 - in reply to #608312)
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Before: "I have an original and a 3D printed replica, and I have the digital files." And now: "No CAD or file yet, so we will be pressing on, imperfect as it may be. Marc."

You have all: the original, the 3D printed replica, and the digital files. What do you need more? I am confused!  - SERGE -  

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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-29 1:33 PM (#608332 - in reply to #608328)
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sermey - 2021-01-29 11:11 AM

Before: "I have an original and a 3D printed replica, and I have the digital files." And now: "No CAD or file yet, so we will be pressing on, imperfect as it may be. Marc."

You have all: the original, the 3D printed replica, and the digital files. What do you need more? I am confused!  - SERGE -  



That was a quote from Danny. He is making his own. so, no CAD file. No Biggie.
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sermey
Posted 2021-01-30 11:16 AM (#608364 - in reply to #608332)
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mstrug - 2021-01-29 7:33
That was a quote from Danny. He is making his own. so, no CAD file. No Biggie.

You are right Marc, this was my next confusion. 

The one has all for a perfect repro, the other don't. Can say "each for himself and god for all of us".

 

This emblem cannot be glossy rechromed from 3D-print as it is, the thin bar will brake instantly by polishing. It needs another approach for the model, as well for fixing.

After that it can be done simply. For low quantities this is a requirement. Potmetal and ABS are different, but look same when glossy chromed.

Anyway, this emblem deserves to be done perfect and professional.  - SERGE -  

 

And for your brother (and others interested), Marc: 

The F U E L Letters in Acrobat 3D, as pictured in JPG. It can be resized, turned, cut, . . . To remove LineView set from "Solid Outline" to "Solid". RealView not optioned.

To reduce the file size the emblem has been cut.

 



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sermey
Posted 2021-01-31 6:30 AM (#608393 - in reply to #608364)
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A hint for modelers: the font of the letters  F U E L is: Arial Rounded MT  Bold.  After resized can be used and extruded as is. Simpler than any other fonts on FWL-emblems.   - SERGE -



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Posted 2021-01-31 2:26 PM (#608411 - in reply to #607355)
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Thanks for your ping to me Sermey. As soon as I'm going to the body&paint-shop, I'll pick up the almost new looking emblem from my 300 F to ship it to you.

Good luck!

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mstrug
Posted 2021-01-31 5:05 PM (#608423 - in reply to #608393)
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sermey - 2021-01-31 5:30 AM

A hint for modelers: the font of the letters  F U E L is: Arial Rounded MT  Bold.  After resized can be used and extruded as is. Simpler than any other fonts on FWL-emblems.   - SERGE -



Thanks Serge! Marc.
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