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Powerflite
Posted 2020-09-01 2:13 AM (#602777)
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I received the third '56 Fury today. It is in the worst condition of the three. It's an original California car and spent all it's life here, at least since '63, yet it must have been close to the beach because it has developed a significant amount of rust on it. It's a manual 3-speed car with manual brakes and manual steering. It still has most of the '56 Fury stuff on it like the tachometer & door trim, but only a small amount of the side trim is present with it so what is there will be given to the yellow car and the tach will be given to the white one. The motor in it is a '58 318 with the power pak 4bbl and dual exhaust, and is frozen. The tach drive is missing of course. It has some really old style traction bars on it that are kind of cool and the original rims have been chromed a long time ago, and are now rusty looking. The body number on it is 404-E2040




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Powerflite
Posted 2020-09-01 2:27 AM (#602778 - in reply to #602777)
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This is a picture from two or three previous owners ago. This car sat here since the mid-eighties until it was purchased, I am told. It's funny that the roof and hood have been caved in that long and no one bothered to pop them out. It took me maybe 20 seconds to do it and they look mostly straight now unless you get close and feel it in a couple of spots. Funny that people don't want to put much effort into them.



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Posted 2020-09-01 2:32 PM (#602787 - in reply to #602777)
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Posted 2020-09-01 2:34 PM (#602788 - in reply to #602777)
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Sorry, drip moulding is standard...




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Powerflite
Posted 2020-09-03 12:49 AM (#602869 - in reply to #602777)
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This Fury is in better shape than I first realized. I'm seriously considering restoring it.



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Posted 2020-09-03 3:08 AM (#602873 - in reply to #602777)
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Restoring this one might be a slight challenge even for you.....
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Posted 2020-09-03 6:05 AM (#602877 - in reply to #602777)
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Nathan, you are c...y
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Posted 2020-09-03 9:36 AM (#602882 - in reply to #602777)
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someone paid you to take this? I assume
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Posted 2020-09-03 10:44 AM (#602885 - in reply to #602777)
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'56 Plymouth 2dr hardtops are actually pretty rare so many parts on this car are hard to source. That, along with the tachometer, radio plate, clutch setup, 4bbl intake & other Fury trim is why I bought it. And it was a package deal. I would have preferred to part it out at his place so I didn't have to pay to ship it, but that doesn't really work. The reason the strip of metal behind the package tray is bent like that is because it is the only thing keeping the entire left rear quarter from dropping to the ground. All other connections have rusted away except for the vertical line at the door jamb.

I had a really hard time removing the rear windows on this car. You have to dismantle a rotating hinge mechanism that the front edge of the window is connected to and being corroded, just made it impossible to remove with little access. Not a great design for this. Since the quarter was barely hanging on, I decided to remove it to make it easier, and I had to do the same with the right side door in order to get the door open. No amount of pushing on the latch could make it open until I got access to the inside of it. So I took the opportunity to take some photographs of the window tracks & regulators for future reference. Notice the long rounded track that the rear window rides on. It isn't made to be removed. If the mount for it rusts, you are in big trouble because accessing it is nearly impossible without ripping the car apart. Notice also the bolt in the middle of it. I see no purpose for it and it doesn't mount to anything. I wonder what it's for?



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Posted 2020-09-03 11:02 AM (#602887 - in reply to #602777)
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The regulator for the rear window is a one armed bandit that just rotates the rear part of the window in that track. It mounts with the 4 bolt holes that are a little oily in the picture. The other two bolt holes aren't used, except maybe for a power window mechanism.
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Posted 2020-09-03 1:37 PM (#602893 - in reply to #602777)
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The rot is pretty impressive on this car, but as you state there are still some good and hard to find parts to be had.

About your rear window track, it looks very similar to that of my '56 Imperial 2 door hard top. The track inside the body can be removed, it is bolted in three places (the middle and both ends). Your middle mount probably rotted away.
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Posted 2020-09-03 2:17 PM (#602894 - in reply to #602777)
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It's not rotted because there is nothing for it to mount to. The only thing it could have mounted to was the wheelwell. There is also no remains of anything under the bolt or anywhere near it on the car body. The bolt is installed, but nothing is under it. My guess is that this track is the same part used in the upper level cars, and they don't use the middle mount for the Plymouth & Dodge. The lower mount is mostly accessible, but easily rusted. The upper mount is completely obscured by the interior of the quarter panel. The only part you could hope to access from the inside of the car just has a thin round head with no way to disassemble it except from the other, inaccessible side of it.

The other thing I noticed was that removing the outer trim on this window is a real pain in the neck. Everything has to come apart and the window has to come out in order to access the screws to take it off. Unless, my window wasn't able to go down all the way for some reason.
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Posted 2020-09-03 4:29 PM (#602899 - in reply to #602894)
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Yup, same for my Imperial. Windows have to be out to install or remove the outside trim. It's crazy.
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Posted 2020-09-05 7:00 PM (#602946 - in reply to #602777)
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Pictures of the manual trans under dash for future reference.



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Posted 2020-09-06 12:35 AM (#602948 - in reply to #602777)
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Cars with manual transmissions have an added crossmember much further ahead of the one for the automatic transmission. And this crossmember is one piece, welded into the frame, so it makes the two frames very different from each other.

I will be pulling a lot of parts off this '58 318 to use on the '64 poly, more than just the 4bbl intake & carb. There are numerous unique features from the forwardlook years and some of them are required to make it work in these cars. Features such as: Rear dump left hand exhaust manifold, generator mount on right hand exhaust manifold, 3 bolt valve covers, front sump oil pan, '56 Plymouth motor mounts. I am happy to see that one of the previous owners had already converted this motor to use a spin-on oil filter. I'll use that on the '64 motor too.

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Posted 2020-09-06 8:30 PM (#602970 - in reply to #602777)
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Looks like loads of parts and loads of fun, lots to learn!
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Posted 2020-09-06 10:14 PM (#602974 - in reply to #602777)
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Is it just me, or is the bell housing for that trans very shallow? Seems list most Mopar manual trans of that era have longer input shafts and deep bell housings. Maybe it's just the picture angle?
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Posted 2020-09-07 4:46 AM (#602975 - in reply to #602777)
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Posted 2020-09-07 11:49 AM (#602989 - in reply to #602777)
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You got that right Jim, my front yard is nearly full now. I don't really want to store all this stuff, so I'll need to figure out what I need pretty quick and scrap or sell off a lot of it. Anyone need anything?

Jon, I agree, it does look pretty shallow. I measured it to be around 7.5" deep, and I can't get over how small the 3 speed looks compared to a typical 4 speed. But the bell housing is definitely original to the car. The trans mount is actually on the end of the bellhousing and matches up to the crossmember in the car.

Igor, that's the beater that I picked up the '64 poly motor from DepsilonD. It hasn't moved since I unloaded it. Two door hatchbacks have more space for doing things like this and is specifically the reason I bought it. The only issue is it's a 5 speed manual. I couldn't reach reverse gear with the motor in there so Dave and I had to push the car out of the parking spot so I could get home!



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Posted 2020-09-07 7:05 PM (#602999 - in reply to #602777)
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This car is nearing its end. Soon it'll be time for lots of cleanup. I'll attempt to find a motor number or VIN number on the frame before I stash it into my other yard. Anyone need a '56 Fury manual trans frame? I'll probably cut it up after I fully inspect the other two cars unless I find someone who wants it. The old tires on the rear of this car are kind of cool. They remind me of old drag racing tires. One of them still holds air so I'll throw it onto the other car, but not the other.



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Posted 2020-09-07 8:00 PM (#603001 - in reply to #602777)
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This car has what appear to be homemade traction bars on it. Very similar in design to the Cal-tracs you can purchase today. But I know these bars pre-date the Cal-tracs by many decades. They look like they should do their job well. I may keep them.



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Posted 2020-09-08 10:10 AM (#603017 - in reply to #602777)
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I'm still looking for a standard 3.54 diff and 11 inch rear brakes, neither of which would be on that manual 2 door. Don't know what I would do if I found them anyway unless I can figure how to get them to Oz, which is increasingly unlikely with COVID disruption.

Good luck with your cleanup, been there done that years ago with 4 Austin A30's in the front yard, all because I needed a starter motor..

That 318 looks a lot cleaner inside than my '55 259!
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Posted 2020-09-08 10:39 AM (#603018 - in reply to #603017)
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All Fury's received the 11" brakes, and this one has them too. I expected the ratio to be 3.91, but measured it yesterday and was surprised to find 3.54:1. So this is what you are looking for. The yolk on it may be called for, not sure yet, but if you want the rest of it, figure out how to ship it and we can make it happen. John Fowlie sends stuff over to OZ a lot, so he may know an economical way to do it.
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Posted 2020-09-13 12:42 AM (#603148 - in reply to #602777)
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I started the day just wanting to quickly separate the trans & bell housing from the motor. It took me all day. That one hidden bolt that they include on the bell housing of these old motors is pure EVIL. It is completely hidden by the flywheel, which means you have to rotate the crank to get it off. But these motors aren't likely to rotate very readily. Long story short, I had to completely disassemble the motor to remove it. Four pistons were quite rusted and frozen with no hope of moving easily. I did manage to get the crank out without too much trouble, but since I had it all torn down, I went ahead and pounded out the pistons. To do it, I cleaned the cylinder down with a small wire wheel on the end of a drill. Then I took a cutting burr on the end of a die grinder to **lightly** go over the hard deposits and get rid of them. Then I sprayed it down with WD40 and let it soak an hour while I did something else. Then oil down the wall and pound the piston back into the motor to break it free. Clean up the residual around the piston that gives you access to, and re-spray with WD40. Then pound it back the other direction using a large drift, all the way out. Worked quite well, but was still very difficult to pound out. I got a nice workout from it. The pistons didn't survive the experience of course, but no damage to the rods or block.

I feared that the block would be badly damaged from the rust, but after I got the pistons out, I think it should clean up with a standard .03" or maybe .04" cut. We'll see. This '58 block is what I would like to eventually make a stroker motor out of.



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Posted 2020-09-13 2:38 AM (#603149 - in reply to #603148)
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Congrats on saving the block

Interesting that the 55-58 Parts catalogue doesn't show the 1618 699 rod but it does show a 1618 697 rod as "LP2, LP2 Fury w/318 cu. in. Eng" , Plymouth 56-58 (1) where Note 1 =
P29 FROM Engine No. P29-1001 thru P29-40000 and P29-80001 thru P29-250000 and AFTER P29-274101"

Does your 58 318 engine number fit in either of those two gaps?



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Posted 2020-09-13 4:06 AM (#603150 - in reply to #602777)
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P29 is a '56 designation only. They make the Before & After distinction because the early versions had the Dodge 270 motor so it wouldn't use this rod, but the later 277 motor did. But yes, this is an LP2 motor so that looks correct. Remember, this isn't a part number, it's a casting number. Often, but not always, the casting number was only a few numbers off from the part number.
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Posted 2020-09-13 12:34 PM (#603157 - in reply to #602777)
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You need to remember that quite often the numbers you find stamped on engine parts are casting numbers and will be slightly different from the actual part numbers.
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Posted 2020-09-13 1:23 PM (#603161 - in reply to #602777)
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Posted 2020-09-14 11:12 AM (#603179 - in reply to #602777)
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Good work on stripping that block. Reminds me of the first engine that we put in my 38 7 passenger., went thru a similar process under the guidance of an old school mechanic. Still ran ok when last fired it up in 2013.

I did more research which confirmed that 56 Fury brakes are all 11 inch, so am very interested, will be making enquiries about shipping options. Not easy with Covid in the mix. Hope you guys are all keeping safe. We are in a very good situation in Western Oz, with borders closed and the only cases in hotel quarantine.

My current rear axle is out of an Aussie P25 Plymouth (sold locally from 54 to 56, all based on the 53 chassis and body). It would be good to know if the Aussie and US rear axle housings are the same, not easy to determine as they apparently dont have separate part numbers. I have done some checking but dont have access to P25 parts numbers. The rear tread on all is supposed to be 58.5 inches. If all the same, all I need is the diff pumpkin and the brake assemblies.

My current Axle housing dimensions saddle to saddle 41.5 inch, flange to flange 55.5 inch.
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Posted 2020-09-14 11:52 AM (#603180 - in reply to #602999)
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Nathan: I know that you said that the manual transmission cross-member was further to the front than the Powerflite Crossmember would have been. I just noticed that the "ears" for mounting the Powerflite are there, in anticipation of a Powerflite being installed (see below). Is the manual transmission cross-member welded or bolted to the frame rails.

Photos of the Powerflite ears and the manual cross-member at the frame would be appreciated.





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Posted 2020-09-14 12:37 PM (#603182 - in reply to #602777)
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Jim, it sounds like it's the same axle. As long as the 8 1/4 pumpkin will swap, then you should be fine with just swapping parts onto your rear. The perch-to-perch dimension is harder to measure than later cars because the springs are splayed. But you can measure from the shock bolts since those are centered in the perch. I get 41" distance perch-to-perch. I also measured the outside drum-to-drum distance very accurately at 59 15/16". I can't measure the flange-to-flange accurately, but it is around 55"+. Let me know what you find out. I can deliver stuff to the Long Beach port if you can set something up from there.

Dave, yes, the manual trans cross-member is welded to the frame and the powerflite ears are welded there as well. That manual trans cross-member is quite intrusive if you aren't running the original setup.



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Posted 2020-09-15 3:19 AM (#603210 - in reply to #603148)
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I feared that the block would be badly damaged from the rust, but after I got the pistons out, I think it should clean up with a standard .03" or maybe .04" cut. We'll see. This '58 block is what I would like to eventually make a stroker motor out of.


In January I bought a similarly rusted motor (341). If you can make a stroker out of this one, it gives me hope that mine can be saved too
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Posted 2020-09-15 10:40 AM (#603214 - in reply to #603180)
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Those tires are recaps. Look for a logo, they may be Inglewoods? The traction bars + sticky tires tell me someone was enjoying driving their Fury hard, as it was intended. Neat car! I bet they went through transmissions... those early 3-speeds are notoriously fragile.
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Posted 2020-09-15 10:42 AM (#603215 - in reply to #602777)
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Thanks Nathan for taking the time to check your axle housing dimensions. I checked my rear axle assembly today. My shocks are mounted on the bottom spring plate, quite different from the Fury, so no comparison there. I took off the rear wheels and measured outside drum to drum and got same as you, 59 15/16" I also was able to compare Aussie 54-56 part numbers with US 55-56, thanks to fellow Aussie Mike Elly via Facebook group "1930-1950 Dodge/Plymouth in Australia (Early Mopar Only)". The diff carrier and cap are all the same part 1327 816 for Aussie and US Plymouth and same gasket 1318 011.

I figure the diff will fit my axle housing and am keen to grab it, but do not need the yoke as my setup uses the ball and trunnion unis for better or worse. But the axle shaft part numbers are not the same for OZ and US, so there may be a problem still. I am checking the diff side gear numbers to see if they are different.

In addition to the diff, I need the 11 inch rear brakes - drums with hubs, cylinders, shoes and backing plates - and would also like the 11 inch front drums with hubs only, as mine have been replaced at some stage with 11x2 Ford drums. Not too worried about condition.

I must mention that Oz Customs is totally paranoid about asbestos so I would need linings removed and all brake items cleaned. The shipping service may do that - I am checking.
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Posted 2020-09-17 9:06 AM (#603258 - in reply to #602777)
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Checked the diff side gears and OZ and US are the same part 1326 218 so looking good, but I am thinking it may be a good idea to get the axles anyway. I recently sent some 29 Plymouth axles 3000 km to central NSW and they were fairly simple and cheap to pack and send.

I have found an agent with a depot at Long Beach that routinely accepts packages that they put into sea containers being used to ship cars to Oz. Sounds fairly straightforward to deal with. They advised that Oz Customs are no longer targeting asbestos and as long as parts are fairly clean there are no problems envisaged, so that simplifies things. I will email you to sort out the details.
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Posted 2020-09-17 3:43 PM (#603271 - in reply to #602777)
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Tom: Definitely give it a shot. Mine ended up better than I expected.
Danny: The only info on the sides of the tires is Nylon Tubeless. I guess that supports the re-tread ID. I was disappointed that none of the Fury's had sure grip rears. I guess that came later, but my 300C didn't have one either.
Jim: Yep, thanks, I received your email. I'll be in touch.
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58coupe
Posted 2020-09-18 11:45 AM (#603291 - in reply to #602777)
Subject: Re: Third '56 Fury



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Nathan, according to my info suregrip wasn't available until 58 and only in the 8 3/4"
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Posted 2020-09-19 2:02 PM (#603341 - in reply to #602777)
Subject: Re: Third '56 Fury



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Thanks for the info Rolland. That makes more sense now. This is the rear plate from this car. It was last registered in 1969. It's been sitting ever since.

The dash cleaned up pretty nicely on it. Much easier than the other two. This tachometer is going to fill the hole in the dash of my other one. Odd that the glove box & ash tray were chromed on this car. It must have been someone's pride & joy at the time. The radio is a rusted mess. I have no hope of removing the attachment nuts from the station knobs. I am planning to cut them apart from the backside so I don't ruin the front faceplate, which is the only thing I really care about on it.

Edited by Powerflite 2020-09-19 2:07 PM




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