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StlJimmy
Posted 2020-05-21 10:33 PM (#598611)
Subject: Decode 1958 Belvedere



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I have been searching the interwebs for about 1/2 hour and cannot find a key to decode this tag. Incase I cannot get the picture to load it is

151 02866
P0627L5615 XX3

I am hoping this will have interior information on it. The dash is black, seats are black top and white sides. The door panels are red carpet. Carpet is red, paint is red, but it could've been white originally.  

 





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frwl
Posted 2020-05-22 4:38 AM (#598617 - in reply to #598611)
Subject: RE: Decode 1958 Belvedere


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Hello Jimmy.
151 on your data tag is a body type Belvedere Club Sedan (2door Sedan) with 6 cylinder engine (251 would have V8)
I guess your car originally Iceberg White (code XX3) on the tag, but I have no idea about 3
Looks like this tag don’t give some info about trim code
Any combinations of body types, paint schemes, trim codes and other useful information you can view here

http://www.forwardlook.net/19571958Plymouth/58PlymouthOrderSheets.h...

I posted similar cowl tag picture of Belvedere Convertible for comparison, but I have no idea what does it all mean as well…




(1958 Plymouth Belvedere Convertible.jpg)



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StlJimmy
Posted 2020-05-22 4:03 PM (#598636 - in reply to #598617)
Subject: RE: Decode 1958 Belvedere



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frwl - 2020-05-22 3:38 AM

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Hello Jimmy.
151 on your data tag is a body type Belvedere Club Sedan (2door Sedan) with 6 cylinder engine (251 would have V8)
I guess your car originally Iceberg White (code XX3) on the tag, but I have no idea about 3
Looks like this tag don’t give some info about trim code
Any combinations of body types, paint schemes, trim codes and other useful information you can view here

http://www.forwardlook.net/19571958Plymouth/58PlymouthOrderSheets.h...

I posted similar cowl tag picture of Belvedere Convertible for comparison, but I have no idea what does it all mean as well…


Thanks! I looked all over for that and couldn't find it. It does appear that the interior and other things are not on the tag. Turns out the 3 was for "A silver anodized aluminum Sportone insert is available as an option on all Belvedere and Sport Suburban Models. To specify this item, substiture the numeral "3" in place of the third letter in the Color Codes below." I am happy it has this option, although I am pretty sure I don't have that insert, if it is the one that runs down the side? The man I bought it from said someone makes them out of a wrap? I am years from getting to that point though. Next I am going to try to identify the trans. There are V8 manifolds sitting in the engine bay.



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56D500boy
Posted 2020-05-22 5:22 PM (#598640 - in reply to #598636)
Subject: RE: Decode 1958 Belvedere



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Based on what I have learned about early Torqueflites and the fact that I can see two coolant lines coming from the transmission on their way to the radiator, I would say that you have a liquid-cooled cast-iron A-466 three speed torqueflite. It would look something like this (except there would be two coolant lines coming off this side):



This photo is from a 56 Imperial with a A-466 Torqueflite



The transmission part number is stamped into the "rail" above the transmission oil pan on the side with the filler tube, like the photo below.

I am guessing your number will be 1823 593 (but that is just a guess)





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frwl
Posted 2020-05-23 5:17 PM (#598691 - in reply to #598611)
Subject: RE: Decode 1958 Belvedere


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Firstly, I guess that «3» is not mean molding on your car.
According to the table (code 413), it is option on the Plaza models only which run from front edge of the front door to the rear bumper.
It is standard on the Savoy series and optional on the Plaza.
But probably Belvedere with optional Sportone full length molding has «3» too (single molding was standard) as stated in this brochure:

http://www.oldcarbrochures.org/United%20States/Plymouth/1958_Plymou...

Or like on this Plaza 2door Sedan, except «Spring Special» molding on the front fender…

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=73837&...

I also posted picture of Belvedere Four Door Sedan with Sportone trim below, cowl tag shows AA3, similar like yours but monotone Black paint.
So, probably your guess is right: «3» means the Sportone…

The car has V8 engine instead L6 as shows (code 151) on the tag… Weird…
According to the table again, code 151 means the L6 Belvedere Club Sedan and 251 for the V8. Maybe there was an engine replacement before?





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(Brochure Belvedere.JPG)



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StlJimmy
Posted 2020-05-27 11:01 PM (#598872 - in reply to #598640)
Subject: RE: Decode 1958 Belvedere



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56D500boy - 2020-05-22 4:22 PM

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Based on what I have learned about early Torqueflites and the fact that I can see two coolant lines coming from the transmission on their way to the radiator, I would say that you have a liquid-cooled cast-iron A-466 three speed torqueflite. It would look something like this (except there would be two coolant lines coming off this side):



This photo is from a 56 Imperial with a A-466 Torqueflite



The transmission part number is stamped into the "rail" above the transmission oil pan on the side with the filler tube, like the photo below.

I am guessing your number will be 1823 593 (but that is just a guess)





I think you are definitely in the right ballpark. I was able to clean it up and find the numbers. "H1853676 F20 58." 1853 is on the chart, but not the 676 following it. The 58 at the end is the year I am assuming? F20, I have no idea. Could this be out of a truck or something?



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56D500boy
Posted 2020-05-27 11:22 PM (#598873 - in reply to #598872)
Subject: RE: Decode 1958 Belvedere



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StlJimmy - 2020-05-27 8:01 PM
I think you are definitely in the right ballpark. I was able to clean it up and find the numbers. "H1853676 F20 58." 1853 is on the chart, but not the 676 following it. The 58 at the end is the year I am assuming? F20, I have no idea. Could this be out of a truck or something?


I just ran 1853676 through the 1950 to 1965 Mopar Parts Interchange pdf (which does include some truck stuff) and it came up dry. 15 hits for 1853 (all transmission related) but none with 1853676.

What is the case number cast into the drivers side of the transmission? Something like 1736 236?



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