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Location: Ramona, CA | Recently got the build record for my 1960 Chrysler New Yorker Town & County and for tires it has code 99. A friend's T & C has code 60. Mine is a 3-seat wagon, his is a 2-seat.
From what I can find, these are the codes for New Yorker tires.
62 - 9.00 x 14 whitewall Rayon tires
66 - 9.00 x 14 whitewall Nylon tires
69 - 9.00 x 14 Captive Air Tires
His '60 New Yorker convertible has code 62.
Anyone else with a 1960 New Yorker know their tire codes?
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Location: NorCal | Don't know about earlier years but in later years the 99 code meant special order. |
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Location: Sweden | My -60 New Yorker Wagon has tire code 62 |
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Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | I don't know what you mean by "indication", but a wheel fitted with a captive air spare tire woulld be pretty easy to spot. There would be one tire valve in the rim in the usual place to inflate the outside tire and a special valve in the sidewall of the outside tire wall that you would use to inflate the inner spare, at least that is what i have seen. You would have to use one of those basketball needles to inflate it. I don't think anyone is making those tires new anymore, unless Coker has contracted for a new run to be made with the old moulds.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | These are all the tire codes for 60 Chrysler (far as I know)
042 8.00X14 White Sidewall Rayon = $42.30, ($60 Nylon)
052 8.50X14 White Sidewall Rayon
059 8.50X14-4 Captive Air White Sidewall
062 9.00X14 White Sidewall Rayon = $51
066 9.00X14 White Sidewall Nylon = $72 Nylon
069 9.00X14 Captive Air White Sidewall
096 8.00X15 Bluestreak Nylon White Sidewall (1961 300G only)
I suspect that it's a keyboard stumble with code 99, if it's not info from the IBM
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Location: Ramona, CA | 58 DESOTOS RULE - 2020-01-07 1:30 PM
I don't know what you mean by "indication", but a wheel fitted with a captive air spare tire woulld be pretty easy to spot. There would be one tire valve in the rim in the usual place to inflate the outside tire and a special valve in the sidewall of the outside tire wall that you would use to inflate the inner spare, at least that is what i have seen. You would have to use one of those basketball needles to inflate it. I don't think anyone is making those tires new anymore, unless Coker has contracted for a new run to be made with the old moulds.
I know what the tires look like, and obviously I don't have any on my car. I was just wondering if there is some indication in the car that it came with them, such as a label in the storage area. I don't have any jacking instructions in my wagon. Not even sure where they stuck them. It came with a spare but not the original jack. I bought a plastic spare tire cover from someone as that wasn't there either. The previous owner who had it from 1972-2015 says it had a spare tire when he got it.
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Location: Ramona, CA | wizard - 2020-01-07 1:43 PM
These are all the tire codes for 60 Chrysler (far as I know)
042 8.00X14 White Sidewall Rayon = $42.30, ($60 Nylon)
052 8.50X14 White Sidewall Rayon
059 8.50X14-4 Captive Air White Sidewall
062 9.00X14 White Sidewall Rayon = $51
066 9.00X14 White Sidewall Nylon = $72 Nylon
069 9.00X14 Captive Air White Sidewall
096 8.00X15 Bluestreak Nylon White Sidewall (1961 300G only)
I suspect that it's a keyboard stumble with code 99, if it's not info from the IBM
Both from the IBM cards, assuming I'm reading them correctly. Here are the two.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Thanks' for confirming that Nick - then 99 and 60 are tire codes.
The 99 was often used as special order, in this case I have no clues. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Just checked all my documentation Nick, code 60 and 99 is still not mentioned anywhere.
This is the updated list.
042 8.00X14 White Sidewall Rayon = $42.30, ($60 Nylon)
046 8.00X14 Nylon white = $60
052 8.50X14 White Sidewall Rayon
056 8.50X14 Nylon white = $60
059 8.50X14-4 Captive Air White Sidewall
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062 9.00X14 White Sidewall Rayon = $51
066 9.00X14 White Sidewall Nylon = $72 Nylon
069 9.00X14 Captive Air White Sidewall
096 8.00X15 Bluestreak Nylon White Sidewall (1961 300G only)
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Location: Ramona, CA | wizard - 2020-01-07 10:31 PM
Thanks' for confirming that Nick - then 99 and 60 are tire codes.
The 99 was often used as special order, in this case I have no clues.
I believe my 300F also had 99 as the tire code.
I'm wondering if someone didn't want whitewalls if they used 99 for that. My wagon is all black inside and out and was an ordered car. I only know the ownership back to 1972 but the second owner says that he was told when he bought it that the car started out as an executive car and then was owned by a professor in California who drove it back and forth to Indiana. It was sold new at Barish Chrysler-Plymouth at 4th and La Brea in Los Angeles. |
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| Just to shed a bit more light on the subject, many years ago attending Chrysler 300 Club meets, I recall seeing 300F’s wearing their original equipment Blue Streak tires that were also Captive Air. The air valve was a blue dot on the sidewall that used a needle for inflation and I believe it inflated the outer part of the tire, closest to the tread. |
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Location: Ramona, CA | 58coronet - 2020-01-08 8:35 AM
Just to shed a bit more light on the subject, many years ago attending Chrysler 300 Club meets, I recall seeing 300F’s wearing their original equipment Blue Streak tires that were also Captive Air. The air valve was a blue dot on the sidewall that used a needle for inflation and I believe it inflated the outer part of the tire, closest to the tread.
Supposedly the Captive Air tires were only available on 9 passenger wagons but like anything else, if you really wanted something, they'd sell them to you. Below is a factory picture of a Captive Air tire on a 300F in the "flat" state. And also when I was researching newspaper archives for old ads for 300Fs from 1960-70, I saw several early ads that mentioned Captive Air or Double Eagle tires on the cars. Double Eagle was the name of the versions used on Imperials.
Here's a good thread on them and includes the instructions on mounting and inflation. Under normal use, you used the regular tire valve but went over the desired pressure and the extra pressure in the inner liner would bleed into the outer tire.
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=55714
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Location: milano, italy | My 300 F has 96 for tires...as shown on the broadcast sheet that was found in the car.
The decode from the 300 club shows 5 96 as the code for Blue Streak 9x14 tires.
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Location: Ramona, CA | Here's an interesting bit of information I just stumbled on while looking for something else. It has the codes for blackwall tires. 60 being the code for blackwalls on a New Yorker.
Still doesn't explain the 99 code on mine.
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Location: Ramona, CA | BTW, the tire code on my 300F is 96 so it had the standard tires. The other car I had that had a code 99 was my 1971 Dodge Charger R/T. It had that code for the spare. I guess it was stuck in my head. The car was a special ordered in Panther Pink. I sold it after 30 years to buy my 300F.
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Code 99 means Special Order. In everything - tires, paint, interior trim, etc.
Problem is, if you don't have the original order form or the bill of sale for the car when new, there is next to no way to know what they installed on the car on the assembly line.
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The tire code is two digits in length, with the the first digit for the tire size, and being the third digit of sales code 55x -
1 - 6.00x13
2 - 7.00x14
3 - 7.50x14
4 - 8.20x14
5 - 8.50x14
6 - 9.00x14
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8 - 8.20x14
9 - 7.60x15 / 8.20x14
Due to the fact the number of spaces for tire sizes is limited, you may find tires of different sizes in the "wrong" grouping.
The second number of the tire code forms the third digit in sales code 56x.
This number is for blackwall or whitewall, nylon or rayon - 0 and 2 are for Rayon tires, 6 for Nylon, and 9 for CaptiveAir (49, 59, 69).
So, from what I have for 1960-1961 tire codes (tire codes, and tires, do change from year to year)
10 - 6.50x13 Blackwall, rayon
12 - 6.50x13 whitewall, rayon
20 - 7.00x14 blackwall, rayon
21 - 7.50x14 blackwall, rayon
22 - 7.00x14 whitewall, rayon
23 - 7.50x14 whitewall
24 - 7.00x14 blackwall
26 - 7.00x14 whitewall
30 - 7.50x14 blackwall, rayon
32 - 7.50x14 whitewall, rayon
40 - 8.00x14 blackwall, rayon
42 - 8.00x14 whitewall, rayon
46 - 8.00x14 whitewall, nylon
48 - 8.00x14 blackwall, Captive Air
49 - 8.00x14 whitewall, Captive Air
50 - 8.50x14 blackwall, rayon
52 - 8.50x14 whitewall, rayon
56 - 8.50x14 whitewall, nylon
59 - 8.50x14 whitewall, Captive Air
60 - 9.00x14 blackwall, rayon
62 - 9.00x14 whitewall, rayon
66 - 9.00x14 whitewall, nylon
69 - 9.00x14 whitewall, Captive Air
70 - 8.20x15 blackwall, rayon
72 - 8.20x15 whitewall, rayon
80 - 8.20x14 blackwall, rayon
82 - 8.20x14 whitewall, rayon
92 - 7.60x15 whitewall, rayon
94 - 7.60x15 Bluestreak, nylon
96 - 9.00x14 Bluestreak, nylon (300F)
96 - 8.00x15 Bluestreak, nylon (300G)
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Location: Ramona, CA | Thanks for that information. I don't have any records for my car other than the build card. I can't imagine what tires someone would special order on it other than blackwalls. And since my friend's wagon has code 60 on it for their blackwalls I'd assume it's something else.
What if someone wanted 300F tires on the car? Wouldn't it just get the code 96 for that? My wagon was shipped within 5 days of my 300F. |
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Location: Ramona, CA | My friend who has a '60 Windsor ambulance says that his car has code 99 on the build card for the tires. It started out as a 6-passenger wagon. His car was converted by the Richard Brothers into a Briarien Ambulance. He says he has a letter from Goodyear to Richard Brothers recommending captive air tires for their conversions.
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Location: Ramona, CA | NicksGarage - 2020-01-10 4:52 PM
My friend who has a '60 Windsor ambulance says that his car has code 99 on the build card for the tires. It started out as a 6-passenger wagon. His car was converted by the Richard Brothers into a Briarien Ambulance. He says he has a letter from Goodyear to Richard Brothers recommending captive air tires for their conversions.
Dave looked at his press photos for the ambulances and in at least one he can see the sidewall tire filler indicating Captive Air tires came on them. I'm trying to see if another ambulance owner can get their build card to see if it also has 99 for the tire code. |
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Location: Ramona, CA | BTW does anyone know what the cost of the Captive Air tire option was in 1960? |
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Location: Ramona, CA | Here is a window sticker for a 1960 Windsor 4-door sedan with 999 on it for the tires. They got the wagon size tires on the sedan.
999 5 RAYON WSW TUBELESS TIRES 8.50X14
It's interesting that it's typed on the window sticker and no other tire code is listed. The total price is also typed. By the way, the total price is $6.00 under what the numbers above total. I don't know why.
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Location: Vancouver, BC | NicksGarage - 2020-01-13 12:37 PM
BTW does anyone know what the cost of the Captive Air tire option was in 1960?
Nylon white sidewall Captive-Air tires (set of 4) were listed as $89.25 for the Windsor Town & Country wagons and $94.20 for the New Yorker. Tire codes were listed as 59 or 69.
59 - 8.50x14, white sidewall, Captive-Air
69 - 9.00x14, white sidewall, Captive-Air
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Location: Ramona, CA | I asked the previous long term owner about the tires on my wagon. He bought it in 1973 and I was curious to see if he remembered anything about them. Of course by 1973 it would have had more than one set of new tires on it. He doesn't remember if the car came with a spare tire but he does remember that it didn't have a jack and they asked the dealer to include one and they did. The car came with an old screw type jack with about 10 feet of folding handle. He said that's what the dealer put in there.
I've yet to find a tire label for a wagon and not sure what they would have done on cars with Captive Air tires. Did you get a jack if you had no spare? I'd assume not. |
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Location: Park Hills, KY | NicksGarage - 2020-01-14 1:34 AM
Here is a window sticker for a 1960 Windsor 4-door sedan with 999 on it for the tires. They got the wagon size tires on the sedan.
999 5 RAYON WSW TUBELESS TIRES 8.50X14
It's interesting that it's typed on the window sticker and no other tire code is listed. The total price is also typed. By the way, the total price is $6.00 under what the numbers above total. I don't know why.
That sticker belongs to my Windsor!!
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Location: Ramona, CA | Cmangeot - 2020-01-17 10:45 AM
NicksGarage - 2020-01-14 1:34 AM
Here is a window sticker for a 1960 Windsor 4-door sedan with 999 on it for the tires. They got the wagon size tires on the sedan.
999 5 RAYON WSW TUBELESS TIRES 8.50X14
It's interesting that it's typed on the window sticker and no other tire code is listed. The total price is also typed. By the way, the total price is $6.00 under what the numbers above total. I don't know why.
That sticker belongs to my Windsor!!
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Cool! Does the window sticker have anything on the back of it? I know the Dodge and Plymouth ones do but haven't found a back shot of a Chrysler one.
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Location: Ramona, CA | Here is more Captive Air information I found from Kiplinger's in 1959.
https://books.google.com/books?id=iwAEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA4&dq=kiplinger'...
The original article in July 1959 is a tire guide and an interesting read in itself. In the August issue, they printed a correction. Interestingly, in this correction, the Blue Streak versions were added. Also, this confirms that Captive Air tires were available in blackwalls. What sizes, I don't know.
The image below is a combination of pages from the two issues.
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Location: Ramona, CA | NicksGarage - 2020-01-08 9:17 AM
58coronet - 2020-01-08 8:35 AM
Just to shed a bit more light on the subject, many years ago attending Chrysler 300 Club meets, I recall seeing 300F’s wearing their original equipment Blue Streak tires that were also Captive Air. The air valve was a blue dot on the sidewall that used a needle for inflation and I believe it inflated the outer part of the tire, closest to the tread. Supposedly the Captive Air tires were only available on 9 passenger wagons but like anything else, if you really wanted something, they'd sell them to you. Below is a factory picture of a Captive Air tire on a 300F in the "flat" state. And also when I was researching newspaper archives for old ads for 300Fs from 1960-70, I saw several early ads that mentioned Captive Air or Double Eagle tires on the cars. Double Eagle was the name of the versions used on Imperials. Here's a good thread on them and includes the instructions on mounting and inflation. Under normal use, you used the regular tire valve but went over the desired pressure and the extra pressure in the inner liner would bleed into the outer tire. http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=55714
Here's an update for this quandry with the Captive-Air Blue Streak tires. Turns out that the Blue Streak tires on 300E and 300F cars were Captive-Air capable but did not come standard with the safety shields. Still haven't solved the mystery of the special order tires on my wagon.
https://www.chrysler300club.com/tech/bluestreak/300E300FBlueStreakTi...
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