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Lancer Mike
Posted 2019-12-05 8:02 PM (#591142)
Subject: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2019-12-05 8:22 PM (#591145 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: RE: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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Location: The Mile High City

If I may:

 

it appears to be built on or around April 16, 1958

Hamtramck, Dodge Main

Dodge, Coronet, Lancer Convertible

Saddle paint scheme: eggshell roof, eggshell lower, poppy red fins & deck (middle)

Coronet black and white interior trim

Torqueflite three-speed automatic

Accessory Group 2: radio, back-up lights, heater/defroster, outside mirror left, inside prismatic mirror

Accessory Group 5 (appearance): optional wheel covers

Accessory Group 6 (safety): power steering, power brakes, padded dashboard, padded visors

Accessory Group 7 (bumper): front bumper spuds, rear bumper guards, stainless steel rear license plate insert

Convertible Top color: black

Solex glass: windshield only

undercoating

*unknown code* (at least to me)

truck delivery

 

 

Interestingly, this is not coded as a Spring Special from the factory, although it has the spring color Poppy Red.  I'd expect it to have the 1957 thin trim and late 1958 headlamp doors.
For a Coronet without Accessory Group 4 (appearance), the optional wheel covers may have been either the full wheel covers or the spinners as the hub caps were standard on the Coronet - I am not certain on this point, just speculating.

 

Very cool car and well optioned!



Edited by Lancer Mike 2019-12-05 8:59 PM
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2019-12-05 9:02 PM (#591151 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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Thanks again Mike for all the Information on My 58 by all your Decoding.Your a Wealth of Knowledge about a Car I know so little about .It Had the Large Die Cast License plate Trim as you can see the Holes in the Decklid That was Removed Before I Bought it .Do you Happen to know on the seats if the Coronet Convertibles Had all Vinyl seats ,or Vinyl and Cloth On the seats ? Thanks again for all your Help .
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2019-12-05 9:22 PM (#591154 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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Mike on the Wheel Covers the optional ones would be the spinners Correct?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2019-12-05 9:49 PM (#591156 - in reply to #591151)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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No worries, David!  Truth be told, I am only a student.  There are a host of great teachers on these forums.  I credit Chris Hullinger, Paul Williams, Greg Leggatt, Matt Dorschug and dozens DOZENS! of others on this site who know much more about 1958 Dodges than I!  Perhaps some of the real experts will chime in on this thread.  I suspect the dealer may have installed the Spring Special wide license plate escutcheon on your car, but that's only my guess.

Fair warning: TRM codes are a little dicey for me.  I suspect your car had the standard Coronet interior (no flashy swoop) and white vinyl bolsters with black Coronet fabric.  I wouldn't put more stock in that than "Mike's Wild @ss Guess."

You can find the interior fabrics here

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=41650&posts=26&start=1

my guess is it would have been 3588

  

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57DODGECONV
Posted 2019-12-06 8:10 AM (#591166 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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Thanks Mike more Good Information ,My Car also has the painted Headlamp Doors That I Thought was a Spring special Item.On the Seat Fabric you are saying you think my car had the fabric on Line 3 of the thread you mentioned not line 4 .Its a Long Long ways away .I Heard Dealers added Different items to help sell Cars .
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christine-lover
Posted 2019-12-06 3:11 PM (#591187 - in reply to #591156)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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Nicely built car, there’s an older thread on this car. Did you buy this from Buckner? The 4 under 58 is the license plate escutcheon. The CA article that mentioned painted headlight doors was from 1993, and not many of these surviving and no internet then, it’s no wonder that people assumed they were never offered since not all spring color Dodges had painted headlamp doors, though it was advertised in an ad. The late headlamp doors seem to be only used in Hamtramck.

This car isn’t coded for wide Spring trim since it had 57 style on it from new.

Thanks Mike, I’ve learned quite a bit from this forum about 58 Dodges.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-12-06 3:58 PM (#591188 - in reply to #591187)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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christine-lover - 2019-12-06 3:11 PM

Nicely built car, there’s an older thread on this car. Did you buy this from Buckner? The 4 under 58 is the license plate escutcheon. The CA article that mentioned painted headlight doors was from 1993, and not many of these surviving and no internet then, it’s no wonder that people assumed they were never offered since not all spring color Dodges had painted headlamp doors, though it was advertised in an ad. The late headlamp doors seem to be only used in Hamtramck.

This car isn’t coded for wide Spring trim since it had 57 style on it from new.

Thanks Mike, I’ve learned quite a bit from this forum about 58 Dodges.


Thanks Matt and Mike.
I tend to agree with the above. This car did not get fin caps as original. When David gets the punch card it will be interesting.

Greg
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2019-12-06 5:51 PM (#591195 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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Yes Matt I Did Buy the Car from Benny Buckner .Do you Happen to know where the thread is on this Dodge ? Greg I Hope to get the IBM card as Soon as I get the Titlle in my name .I Thought this car would be a Good Stablemate for My 2 58 Dodge Mayfair Convertibles .
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2019-12-06 5:57 PM (#591196 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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Greg would you Happen to know anybody that has that Diecast License plate Trim I am Missing ?
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-12-06 6:24 PM (#591197 - in reply to #591196)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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57DODGECONV - 2019-12-06 5:57 PM

Greg would you Happen to know anybody that has that Diecast License plate Trim I am Missing ?


No. I wish I did. I would like to replace the one on my Regal!

Greg
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christine-lover
Posted 2019-12-06 6:37 PM (#591198 - in reply to #591195)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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57DODGECONV - 2019-12-06 5:51 PM

Yes Matt I Did Buy the Car from Benny Buckner .Do you Happen to know where the thread is on this Dodge ? Greg I Hope to get the IBM card as Soon as I get the Titlle in my name .I Thought this car would be a Good Stablemate for My 2 58 Dodge Mayfair Convertibles .


http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10304
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2019-12-06 7:45 PM (#591199 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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Thank you Very much Matt for sharing that link.I Vauguely remember reading about being found In a New York Junk yard .But wouldn’t of Found that link without you.Benny Hauled it Back from Someone in Wisconsin .So it’s Been around.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2019-12-07 12:55 AM (#591201 - in reply to #591187)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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Are we certain that the 25th position is related to spring special trim?  The 18th position is normally indicated as a Spring Special.  Did the factory even produce partial Spring Specials?  If they did produce partial Spring Specials, why not put those codes at the 18th position?

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2019-12-07 12:58 AM (#591202 - in reply to #591201)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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Thanks Matt!  Looking at the old post, it did have the custom Coronet interior with the swoop in the mylar on the door panels (and, I suppose, the dip in the middle of the front seat back).  It should be fabric 3594.

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-12-07 8:52 AM (#591215 - in reply to #591202)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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I'm going by memory only but here is another thought. The escutcheon plate requires a different trunk lid. The holes in the outer skin are of course different but so is the inner panel. Much different access holes to get at the pins. Spring special trim was available for later production but the trunk lids to accommodate escutcheons were used very early.

Greg
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2019-12-07 10:40 AM (#591223 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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Thanks Mike,Matt and Greg.For all your input it Definately has the Swoop in the Door panels ,I Guess now would be the time to order the Door panels and seat Materials from SMS ,I won’t need them for years but that’s ok .I really like the 3594 Seat Material ,It must have Been a Sharp Car new .Its a Shame this Car Probably ran when it was parked in the Newyork Junk yard ,It still came with the original keys Everything under the Hood is untouched and it shows 63,000 miles .It just had years if being Exposed to the Weather ,when I look at a Car like that I wonder what year it was parked.Greg I will have to Compare the under Trunk Structure with that of another 58 I Have.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-12-07 11:57 AM (#591224 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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Yes, Mike, these spring special cars only came with the spring trim that you ordered. Gary Grossitch has an original spring special Dodge for sale now that only has the SS side trim on it. No other special trim came on it - except maybe the grill emblem - can't tell because the grill has been changed.
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christine-lover
Posted 2019-12-07 4:29 PM (#591233 - in reply to #591201)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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Lancer Mike - 2019-12-07 12:55 AM

Are we certain that the 25th position is related to spring special trim?  The 18th position is normally indicated as a Spring Special.  Did the factory even produce partial Spring Specials?  If they did produce partial Spring Specials, why not put those codes at the 18th position?



I’m certain that the 25th position signifies back end spring trim. A 5 there signifies both license plate escutcheon and fin end caps. Yes, they produced partial spring special cars and this is one of them. A 3 under 46 signifies wide side trim and a front grille emblem.
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christine-lover
Posted 2019-12-07 4:36 PM (#591234 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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The dealer (if they ordered them) stocked a kit with wide side trim and a front grille emblem for all body styles except wagons of course. I have the parts list and templates for this accessory. The installer would use strip caulk for existing holes not used. This alone with the grille emblem sometimes is an indicator of a dealer installed option, check the tag if Hamtramck built with that accessory.

As for the deck lid, all the later cars (not sure the switch over date) had the holes for the Dodge script moved to the right side, I would imagine that the access holes for the escutcheon would be in the inner trunk stamping.

Edited by christine-lover 2019-12-07 4:41 PM
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2019-12-07 11:07 PM (#591255 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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So Greg since this Car is a spring Color has the painted Headlamp Doors ,Had the Trunk License plate Trim at one time is painted with the two tone scheme like it has and the Coronet Emblems on the Front Fenders .Would you Consider this a spring Special ? Thanks.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-12-10 9:01 AM (#591388 - in reply to #591255)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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57DODGECONV - 2019-12-07 11:07 PM

So Greg since this Car is a spring Color has the painted Headlamp Doors ,Had the Trunk License plate Trim at one time is painted with the two tone scheme like it has and the Coronet Emblems on the Front Fenders .Would you Consider this a spring Special ? Thanks.


As apposed to a regular saddle tone car with a license escutcheon and a spring colour??

I don't know! I think you will be in the best position to answer when you get the punch card and we can determine the actual sales code for position 25. We will likely never know what the dealers called that particular option!

Greg
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2019-12-10 5:09 PM (#591418 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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Thanks Greg ,The car also has the painted Headlamp Doors So I Wasn’t sure what Determined a Spring Special and What was just option Choice .Either way I am Happy with the options ,Trim And Color it has .
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-12-10 8:53 PM (#591429 - in reply to #591418)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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Yes, for sure. I think 58 saddle tone with the narrow side mouldings is one of the nicest combinations!!

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57DODGECONV
Posted 2019-12-11 6:38 AM (#591437 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible


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I agree Greg, I Love the Clean Look of the Car.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2019-12-11 9:59 PM (#591469 - in reply to #591233)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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I’m certain that the 25th position signifies back end spring trim.

Always learning things on this site!  Very interesting stuff!  Is there a code for fin end caps only?  That may not have been an available configuration at the factory.



Edited by Lancer Mike 2019-12-11 10:00 PM
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christine-lover
Posted 2019-12-12 8:52 PM (#591524 - in reply to #591142)
Subject: Re: Kocaj 1958 Dodge Coronet Convertible



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I haven’t seen a 58 Dodge and its data plate with fin end caps and no license plate escutcheon. There’s only a couple I’ve seen that there’s a 4 there, original cars that had license plate escutcheon and no caps.

Chrysler Historical doesn’t know how to decode a Dodge. They will probably list most all option codes as Code N/A.
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