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Powerflite
Posted 2019-06-16 1:10 AM (#583501)
Subject: Dog Dish or Poverty Hubcaps



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I thought I would start a thread to go through the different poverty caps that came on our forwardlooks. I am hoping to get some input as well about some of the missing ones that I don't know about.

For instance:
I know about '57 Dodge truck caps, and maybe '55-'56, but what did the '58-'61 truck dog dish caps look like? How about after that?
Did '55-'56 Chrysler use any dog dish caps?
What about '55-'56 DeSoto?
What is the correct poverty cap for the '61 Dodge?
What poverty caps did Chrysler use during '62-'65?
What are the poverty caps for Dodge and Plymouth during '62-'65? (Valiant & Dart are separate since they were smaller diameter)

I'll start with the Plymouth. This is what I have for it. Please correct me if anything is wrong, but I think it is correct. The '55-'56 Plymouth cap was also used by the '57 Dodge Truck, except that it was constructed of painted steel instead of stainless. As such, most are rusted away.



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-06-16 1:16 AM (#583502 - in reply to #583501)
Subject: RE: Dog Dish or Poverty Hubcaps



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These are the caps for the Dodge. I don't know what the correct cap is for the '61 full size, so I didn't include it. Did they use the same cap as the Plymouth during this year?

I am unsure when or what criteria was used to determine which cap was used on the '56 Dodge. I suspect that it was a late vs. early thing, but I am not sure. The two caps use different types of wheels to mount them and the late style mounts just like the '57-up, except that it is a little bigger diameter than the '57 for some reason.

Note that the Lancer cap is a smaller 8.75" diameter like the Valiant and the later caps.

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Powerflite
Posted 2019-06-16 1:21 AM (#583503 - in reply to #583501)
Subject: RE: Dog Dish or Poverty Hubcaps



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The Chrysler and DeSoto are much simpler for these cars because there was only one of them for each, that I know of. Anyone ever seen a '55-'56 with a poverty cap?



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-06-16 2:50 AM (#583504 - in reply to #583502)
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Good work there Nathan. Thanks.

My highschool 55 Dodge (1967 (I was 16)) had those "55" caps. I have a set of the "early 56" caps for my 56 Dodge now but only one of my 5 wheels has the clips necessary to run them.

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ABloch
Posted 2019-06-16 11:02 AM (#583514 - in reply to #583501)
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The '60 Dodge cap that has DODGE stamped into it was used in '61.

The cap in the bottom right of the first image was used for Dodge and Chrysler for '62 as well.

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Powerflite
Posted 2019-06-16 11:10 AM (#583515 - in reply to #583501)
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Thanks for the picture. It is amazingly difficult to find original pictures with the poverty caps. But I disagree. I think the '62 cap was this one, and I *believe* that it was used for all Chrysler, Dodge & Plymouth for multiple years, but not sure when it stopped. That's probably why it is so "plain Jane" looking.

Thanks for the info on the '61 cap! I'll update the picture to show the correct range.

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ABloch
Posted 2019-06-16 11:38 AM (#583516 - in reply to #583501)
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Disagree all you like. I am okay with that.

That cap is '63/'64.

1965 it changed again.

Straight out of the parts book.



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-06-16 9:38 PM (#583542 - in reply to #583501)
Subject: RE: Dog Dish or Poverty Hubcaps



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Thanks for your help. I know very little about the max wedge years so it is no surprise I am wrong. It seemed like the pictures showed smooth caps, not the one with circles on it. But zooming into this other picture, I can see that you are correct as the little circles become more visible.



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-06-16 9:40 PM (#583544 - in reply to #583501)
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Dodge and Plymouth went back to making their own branded caps for '66 and early? '67, which were these; the last of the large diameter caps. Do you know what Chrysler did in these years? Did they just continue to use the '65 version? I know that once they switched over to the small cap, that they made their own branded version for the Chrysler.



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ABloch
Posted 2019-06-17 11:14 AM (#583567 - in reply to #583501)
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I don't know. '62 is where my interest starts to wane. That transition that happened around '60-'62 is my fascination.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-06-17 6:56 PM (#583599 - in reply to #583501)
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The poverty caps are listed in a separate section from the full wheel hubcaps in the parts list. The catalog confirms that there is no listing for '55-'56 DeSoto or Chrysler (except for the cap on the wire wheel option, which isn't the same thing). It also confirms what we already knew; that both the '57-'58 Firesweep & Firedome could have received poverty caps, and that they were only installed on Windsors in the '57-'58 Chrysler lineup (but not wagons).

There is also a cap that looks similar to the '55-'56 Plymouth cap, but uses the older style clips to hold it on. This also confirms that cap is likely made for the '54 Plymouth, and not for the '55. The separation of the different Dodge styles seems to be Early vs. Late, but is a little cryptic and lists the later one as being only for 6 cylinder, which is weird.

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Powerflite
Posted 2019-06-20 9:24 PM (#583813 - in reply to #583501)
Subject: RE: Dog Dish or Poverty Hubcaps



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This red ram cap is pretty neat looking. The ad that I saw them for sale on said that they were for '54-'56 Dodge truck. But you can't trust ads to give out the right info. I suspect that they are for '54-'55, so they are likely applicable to the forwardlook trucks, but I'm not certain of it.

This turquoise '57 D100 is wearing it's correct dog dish caps. They are the same as the '55-'56 Plymouth caps, but are made of silver painted steel instead of stainless. I suspect that these caps were also used on '56 trucks since the equivalent car cap was used on the '55 Plymouth too. But this should be verified to be sure.

Finally, the '58-'59 truck caps were also identical to the '57-'58 car caps except made of silver painted steel as well. The similarity between Plymouth car and Dodge truck caps changed at some point and I don't know the year that it happened. But it is clear that it didn't extend to 1961 as the '60 Plymouth cap wore the Plymouth symbol making it inappropriate to apply it to the truck. I suspect that the '60-'61 Dodge truck may have used '60 Dodge car caps, but it is just a guess at this point.

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Powerflite
Posted 2019-07-22 12:35 PM (#585090 - in reply to #583501)
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I ran across this set of unbranded '60-'61 Dodge caps. Anyone know what these would have been used on? An export vehicle such as a DeSoto Diplomat or the like perhaps? Or maybe truck caps?

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Apollo 61
Posted 2019-09-10 2:30 PM (#587332 - in reply to #585090)
Subject: RE: Dog Dish or Poverty Hubcaps



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Powerflite - 2019-07-22 12:35 PM

I ran across this set of unbranded '60-'61 Dodge caps. Anyone know what these would have been used on? An export vehicle such as a DeSoto Diplomat or the like perhaps? Or maybe truck caps?



A freind of mine just called me to bring by a car he just picked around the corner from house! I can't believe I missed this one! 62 post Plymouth delete car. These style hubcaps were in the trunk.?



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Posted 2019-09-10 2:47 PM (#587333 - in reply to #587332)
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HHmmmm,I've got a set of 62 max wedge headers, I know where a 62 413 imperial can had, I really could use another project to put in line with my other projects darn
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