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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-23 1:39 PM (#575690)
Subject: Rusty White 300C Coupe



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I bought this car a while ago from Eastern Washington and John picked it up for me on one of his many travels. It stayed at his place until he could bring it down last week. There are a lot of parts missing from the car, including a lot of 300 specific parts like the glove box door, trunk medallion, horn ring emblem, and front brake ports & bezels. It's also missing a lot of non-300 parts. It seems like someone was working on restoring it, and decided to sell off a lot of the expensive stuff. But it does have an original 300C motor with the carbs and air cleaners, as well as all the front sheet metal & grille, so that's good. Having yet another fully restored white 300C doesn't appeal to me much. So I will either change the color to a dark turquoise or black, or just leave it as-is. Having a great running 300C with lots of patina would be different, so that's probably what I will do with it. Kind of a Joe Dirt version of a 300C.



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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-23 1:55 PM (#575694 - in reply to #575690)
Subject: RE: Rusty White 300C Coupe



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The car has very little rust on it except for around the rear window, where it is worse than usual. It appears to have been undercoated later in life too, by a previous owner. I can't find any rust anywhere in the trunk floor or the interior floors - including the power seat troughs. There is a section of floor to the left of the steering column opening that has had some bad repair work done before though. The exterior has almost no rust on it either except in very small patches near the bottom edges of the wheel opening. But there are some bends in the metal on the left side too.

If I don't disturb it, I should have a row of fresh vegetables growing out of the crack in the rear seat in a couple of months.

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-23 2:13 PM (#575697 - in reply to #575690)
Subject: RE: Rusty White 300C Coupe



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The motor number seems pretty low for how high the VIN number is. I don't know how these correlate though, to know if that is normal or not. But the motor seems to have been pulled at some point to (poorly) paint the firewall and inner fenders a copper-brown color. The options that I can see from the tag look to be:

319: Music Master radio (dang, I wanted another 7 button radio)
322: Rear shelf speaker (missing)
323: Heater/Defroster
326: 6 way power seat
328: Power windows (All switches missing, rears missing?)
332: Solex glass
325: Left mirror (missing, and holes for the right side too)
361: Front manual antenna

Other standard options are auto trans, power brakes & power steering. The speedometer is the original 150mph version, but the other gauges appear to have been replaced as they are a different color.



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miquelonbrad
Posted 2018-12-24 10:42 AM (#575740 - in reply to #575690)
Subject: Re: Rusty White 300C Coupe



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Wow! That will be a nice project!

Could the car have been used for parts, for another 300? I have an opposite car here...a Windsor (Canadian Saratoga) that was used for parts, for a 300C project, by a fellow in B.C. I bought it strictly for the chrome trims...
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finsruskw
Posted 2018-12-24 11:23 AM (#575745 - in reply to #575690)
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I noticed that as well. going by that, I doubt that is the original mill.
The last know owner of this car as printed in the latest VIN registry I have was Mr. Pat Crawford and the car was indeed white.
The motor number would be reflected on the punch/build card that is in the records of the Chrysler 30 Int'l club.
If you are a member and furnish the archivist the vin # and a rubbing of the data tag they can furnish you a copy of the card as well as the lowdown on how the car
left the factory at Jefferson Ave.
AS of the last registry, there were out of a run of 1767 coupes built, 393 coupes accounted for of which 60 had been junked, and 121 converts accounted for
w/3 having met their demise.
The first 300C known is #1001, A white conv and the latest one is #3243 another white conv w/a special order 00 interior

IMHO that car deserves a correct and proper restoration.
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57burb
Posted 2018-12-24 2:00 PM (#575752 - in reply to #575745)
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Very cool C, you've been getting your hands on some interesting stuff lately!

Can't say I completely agree the car needs a correct restoration. There are dozens of these cars that are properly restored that can be purchased for far less than the cost to locate all the missing parts and expense of restoring this one. I like the idea of a rough letter car getting used and enjoyed without being obsessed over, especially if it isn't a particularly unique, untouched, correct, complete, or original car. But this is also just my opinion, worth exactly what you paid!

Merry Christmas, Nathan! I look forward to your updates!



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57burb
Posted 2018-12-24 2:50 PM (#575753 - in reply to #575752)
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I have every part you need from the gas filler door to the tank, including the tank, if you need it. It has a dent in the bottom of it, but could be serviceable.
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Posted 2018-12-24 5:31 PM (#575757 - in reply to #575690)
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Rough letter cars are kind of embarrassing

Its like a caddy with a 80's resto...usually find shag carpet, sparkle vinyl, , chrome steering wheel, truck seats... I am going to have to pass

Only way i would leave the patina is put a nice interior/ running gear in it.

My 300C is worse shape, I may resto mod it but its going to be a ton of work unless i find a donor car which are now getting insanely hard to find in good condition.

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-24 8:44 PM (#575769 - in reply to #575690)
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I tend to agree Brad, it does look as if it were parted out at one point. But the rust really isn't bad so it has me a little baffled.

I didn't know these cars were so well documented practically down to the last VIN. I guess now I'll have to join the 300 club as I have no excuse left not to. I would tend to agree with you Dave that the car does 'deserve' to be restored, but I've never liked the similarity of the 300 cars. The vast majority of them are two basic colors with the same features and interiors. Way too boring for me. So, while this car is in my possession, it is either not going to get painted, or it is going to get something completely different. If I leave the paint as-is, then the next owner can fully restore the original color if he/she so chooses. Don't worry Mike, this car won't be abused with any non-period crap installed into it. I just may not restore everything to pristine, shiny painted condition. To me a high end car is more fun to drive around all beat to he**. Imagine driving a '71 Hemi 'cuda that's completely beat up. Much more interesting to me sitting at the car show than seeing 12 others fully restored next to it. But doing the same with a 4dr Valiant would look like most of the others on the road, so it wouldn't have the same effect. If I get tired of the patina, I will likely paint it a dark turquoise color like this Imperial. That is my first paint color choice at this stage.

Danny, I have a lot of the non-300 stuff, but none of the 300 specific stuff. If you have any of that, I would love to buy them from you. I should make a list of the stuff I am missing and send it over to you, not only for this car, but for all of my Chryslers. The car did come with the gas tank parts, but I could use another *good* tank.

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Posted 2018-12-24 10:19 PM (#575770 - in reply to #575757)
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Pat Crawford. Now there's a name I have not heard in decades ! Pat,
and his brother Dave, were big finned Mopar nuts from Montesano/McLeary/
Olympia area. Pat had seven 57-58 300's, including a D convertible he
drove a lot. All their cars were "hillbilly beaters", but they had them !

Dave was sort of a Jack-of-all-trades, while Pat worked for the State in
a lab of some sort. Interesting characters.
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Posted 2018-12-26 2:17 PM (#575844 - in reply to #575690)
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Cool Doc, got any old pictures of him? Neat to have some history associated with the car.

I have started putting the car back together. Got the grille, front turn signals & some junk tail lights installed on the car now. I also installed a new left headlight bezel because the old one was busted; & painted them flat black. Removed the Dodge spinner caps and installed caps from my '60 New Yorker. It wasn't very easy to install that grille. Those things fit really tight in there. The front turn signal housings I had are missing the sockets so I need remedy that. Next up will be to install the back windows & regulators.

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Posted 2018-12-26 2:35 PM (#575846 - in reply to #575770)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2018-12-24 7:19 PM

Pat Crawford. Now there's a name I have not heard in decades ! Pat,
and his brother Dave, were big finned Mopar nuts from Montesano/McLeary/
Olympia area. Pat had seven 57-58 300's, including a D convertible he
drove a lot. All their cars were "hillbilly beaters", but they had them !

Dave was sort of a Jack-of-all-trades, while Pat worked for the State in
a lab of some sort. Interesting characters.


Interesting - I was born in Montesano, moved to Olympia, and currently live in McCleary. I recall a Crawford family, but not those names. What age would they be?
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ronbo97
Posted 2018-12-26 2:44 PM (#575847 - in reply to #575844)
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Powerflite -

If you post a list of parts that you need, I can go thru my remaining 57 Chrysler stuff and see if I can help you out. Or you can PM me.

Ron

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Posted 2018-12-26 3:07 PM (#575848 - in reply to #575690)
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Get it running and drivable and have some fun with it!!
I did that with my parade Green C and took it to several meets just like that.
One was even a drag strip meet, We had a blast!!
It would be ready to drive right now as soon as I locate the brake line from the M/C to the tee.
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Posted 2018-12-26 4:26 PM (#575852 - in reply to #575690)
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Congratulation Nathan for another great found. You have the right touch
I have a 7 button NYer Radio here, if you're interested. I bought it from James/Australia
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Posted 2018-12-26 5:07 PM (#575853 - in reply to #575690)
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Thanks Ron, once I get it figured out, I will send you a PM. Dave, I definitely will. I have enough paint & body projects to last me quite a while, so I am going to have fun with this one. Post up a couple pictures once you get yours going again. That's a great ride you have and the parade green is really neat. Tom, I am definitely interested in the 7 button Chrysler radio. PM me with a price and let me know.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-27 10:33 AM (#575872 - in reply to #575690)
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The vacuum can for the power brakes on this car has 3 ports on it. Anyone seen that before? What is the 3rd vacuum port used for?
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Posted 2018-12-27 11:00 AM (#575875 - in reply to #575872)
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Powerflite - 2018-12-27 10:33 AM The vacuum can for the power brakes on this car has 3 ports on it. Anyone seen that before? What is the 3rd vacuum port used for?

Never seen a vacuum can with three ports. Does it look like the third port (the one with the check valve currently attached) was added later ?

Ron

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Posted 2018-12-27 11:51 AM (#575880 - in reply to #575690)
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The can isn't built for that current location because it doesn't have the dimples there for it, but the addition doesn't look like a home-made connection either. I would expect a home-made connection to have been brazed in place. This one appears to have been formed and pressed there.



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ronbo97
Posted 2018-12-27 12:20 PM (#575884 - in reply to #575880)
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Did Kelsey-Hayes supply other manufacturers with similar power brake setups ? I'm thinking this may have come from a non-Chrysler product car.

Try this: wire brush the face plate of the accordian booster. Does it say Chrysler and have the 1675xxx part number ? I have one at home that lacks that information, leading me to believe that it may have come from a non-Chrysler automobile.

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-31 4:08 PM (#576068 - in reply to #575690)
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I didn't immediately see it on there, but I didn't look very hard. You may be right about coming from something else.

I found that the #1 cylinder was full of water for some reason. Either it has a bad head gasket, or some water has leaked down into that cylinder with an open intake valve. I filled the motor with acetone & trans fluid, but no luck getting it to move yet after a week. Looks like I will be pulling the motor & rebuilding it. Right now I have the '57 392 for the New Yorker on the stand so this car won't get it's chance until that one is finished to free up the engine stand.
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Posted 2019-01-01 8:55 AM (#576086 - in reply to #575690)
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Great car. Personally it has too much 'patina' to stand as is (to me) but I fully understand the headache that comes along with getting into the paint/body stuff.

Don't forget to add it to your tagline!
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Powerflite
Posted 2020-07-04 1:35 AM (#600480 - in reply to #576068)
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I picked up my third set of Chrysler dog dish hubcaps. I needed another set to eventually go onto this car, but they are getting harder to find. Two of them are dented and will need to be straightened and polished. It might be a little odd to have a 300C with dog dishes, but I think it'll make it look more muscular, so that's the motivation behind it.

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mikes2nd
Posted 2020-07-04 2:33 AM (#600483 - in reply to #575690)
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Posted 2020-07-04 2:39 AM (#600484 - in reply to #575690)
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The car? Yes, I still have it. It's sitting on the back burner until I get some other priorities taken care of. But I did manage to pick up all of the 300 specific parts I was missing, except for the hubcaps, which I am not planning to use.

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Posted 2020-11-05 6:34 PM (#605331 - in reply to #575690)
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I purchased some replacement seats for this car today from Hergfest. I believe these came out of a 300E, but should be identical to the 300C. The top rear cover needs to be attached to the frame, but the others are pretty much ready to go. The seats that came with my 300C are still good & covered in copper & pink vinyl - a perfect combination for my Copper/Pink '57 Windsor! So those will be going into that car once I can get them swapped around.

Question for the group: What is the best way to revitalize leather & clean them too? These are still soft and pliable, but they aren't as pliable as new. I want to renew them so they will last a long time and continue to look good too.

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Posted 2020-11-06 11:05 AM (#605340 - in reply to #575690)
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Those look like 300C seats. The 300E uses a different pattern and has basketweave seating surfaces.
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Posted 2020-11-06 12:53 PM (#605349 - in reply to #605340)
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They look like 300-C seats to me as well. Definitely not 300-E or 330-D for that matter. If they are indeed leather they are in great shape. If they are vinyl, they could have possibly come from a 1959 Windsor as the optional vinyl seats on a 59 Windsor had exactly the same pattern as a 300-C. If they are leather then give them a good cleaning with a mild detergent, then get a good leather treatment product and apply it liberally a few times and let it soak in each time.
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Posted 2020-11-06 1:02 PM (#605351 - in reply to #575690)
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These are leather, not vinyl, and I assumed they were from a 300E because I remember them being sold as extra seats for it. But it looks like they were not originally to the car, or they were re-covered. I'm curious, how are 300D seats different? Also, what is a good leather treatment product to use on them? I have no experience with leather.
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Posted 2020-11-06 1:13 PM (#605352 - in reply to #605351)
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Great score, wow!

I spoke to the "interior guy" at my dad's resto shop, and he is recommending you try some mink oil on your seats to soften up that leather.

He said it's impossible to say if it would cause a problem with the dye, but he's had excellent results with it in the past.

Regardless of what you choose to try, test it out in a small and inconspicuous spot first to see how it all reacts. Good luck!
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Posted 2020-11-06 2:39 PM (#605357 - in reply to #575690)
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Thanks for the suggestion Danny!
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Posted 2020-11-06 5:11 PM (#605371 - in reply to #575690)
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Leatherique is supposed to work well, recommended by many on the Imperial Club website.

http://www.leatherique.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI866F3Pfu7AIVh-DICh2_l...
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Posted 2020-11-06 9:21 PM (#605377 - in reply to #605351)
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Here's a link to the 300C seat covers that I have for sale for comparison. They look pretty much the same. These were created by Gary Goers probably 20 years ago. They are a combination of leather and vinyl, which I assume, was correct.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WHmyLw8AZsxmg2i19

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Posted 2020-11-09 1:53 AM (#605429 - in reply to #575690)
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Posted 2022-03-31 7:13 PM (#620631 - in reply to #575690)
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I was able to pick up a fully rebuilt set of carbs for this car, along with another intake & air cleaners. It came with 2 NOS air filters too. They're pretty useless, but are fun due to the colorful packaging.

I'm happy that I don't have to put all the linkage & fuel filters together from scratch. The only downside to this setup is the heater port is broken off inside the intake, the vacuum port is missing, and one of the mounting brackets at the bottom of an air cleaner is missing. But those things are pretty minor. I'm hoping to find a D501 project to use the original set on, but not holding my breath on that. Maybe I'll end up eventually making a nice clone instead.

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Posted 2022-03-31 8:04 PM (#620634 - in reply to #620631)
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Hey Nathan -

Are you talking about the vacuum port for the power brakes ? If so, isn't that it right at the 6 o'clock position in your photo. It currently has a plug in it, which is easily removable.

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Posted 2022-03-31 8:58 PM (#620636 - in reply to #575690)
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Yes, the port is there, but the fitting is missing. I should have stated it differently.
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Posted 2022-04-16 12:56 AM (#620903 - in reply to #575690)
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The seller contacted me as he had found both the 300C/D specific vacuum fitting as well as the replacement heater connection. Very nice.



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Posted 2022-11-29 3:34 PM (#625958 - in reply to #575690)
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I paid an upholsterer to replace the thin mounting fabric at the top and bottom edges of the upper rear seat cover to strengthen it, and then mount it to the seat frame. He did a decent job, but the top of the seat isn't stuffed as tight as it should be, and even the front of it could use a little more stuffing it seams. There are small wrinkles in the leather, but I can't blame him for that as the cover had been sitting around for many years now. Overall, not bad, but I won't go back to him in the future. This completes the set of leather seats for my 300C and I think I have another set of seat covers I can use for some other car, but not sure as at least one of them isn't leather like it should be.



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Posted 2023-09-28 11:48 AM (#632077 - in reply to #575690)
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I found a place that will widen rims at less than half the cost of doing it anywhere else. So I gave them a bunch of rims to widen for me. Three '40 international rims from 16x4 to 16x6, one '60's mopar rim to 15x7, and four '56 Plymouth rims to 15x8. Unfortunately, they aren't very accurate with their backspacing. Most are 1/16 to 1/8" off. But they are relatively consistent, so that's good.

The '56 Plymouth rims use a 12 5/8" diameter center, which matches a lot of other makes, so there are plenty of new rims available for them. But this smaller diameter center causes some contact on the front of the caliper on the older Scarebird kit. So I either have to save these for the back, or use them with the newer Scarebird kit. But these are the rims that I would like to eventually run on this 300C. The '60's mopar rim that I had done uses a 13 1/4" diameter center, so quite a bit bigger in size. I'll use that one on the front of my pink/black '56 Belvedere with a full wheelcover on it.



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ToMopar
Posted 2023-09-29 6:32 AM (#632098 - in reply to #575690)
Subject: Re: Rusty White 300C Coupe



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Accurate and cheap are mutually exclusive, so you have to live with different backspace
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Posted 2023-10-02 5:06 PM (#632166 - in reply to #632098)
Subject: Re: Rusty White 300C Coupe



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Probably not too far off the OEM tolerance across wheel vendors.
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