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lonesome mopar
Posted 2018-02-28 6:10 PM (#559013)
Subject: '60 starter in a'58 318



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 Hi Gang,
I wonder if you could help me with this puzzle I have.
I am trying to fit (temporarily)  in my 58 Belvy (4drHT) a starter motor from a 1960 plymouth.This car has the same engine and trasmission as mine except that the starter has three mounting holes instead of two.
It is a solenoid starter motor.
I checked the gear diameter and number of teeth and they match with mine.
Only the nose cone is different because it has three mounting holes.
Moreover, that nose cone has a little step on it that doesn't allow to fit it squarely  into the hole on the transmission.

Do you deem it possible I replace the nose cone with one of my direct drive starter and fit it on the engine?

I know this swap might seem weird to many of you but Heaven knows the kind of difficulties we have down here in southern Europe.  I am just trying to put my car back on the road while I find an armature a for my direct drive starter or another one at a reasonable price.... 

 

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jboymechanic
Posted 2018-02-28 10:32 PM (#559027 - in reply to #559013)
Subject: Re: '60 starter in a'58 318



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I believe you can swap the nose cones and be on your way.
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lonesome mopar
Posted 2018-03-01 1:23 PM (#559044 - in reply to #559013)
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Thank you !
I will proceed with this attempt.
Sorry for the huge letters of my previous post, I wrote the text with googlemail and then I copied and paste it here.
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lonesome mopar
Posted 2018-03-06 12:37 PM (#559336 - in reply to #559013)
Subject: Re: '60 starter in a'58 318



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All right.....
I checked the two starters and the cone of the '58 direct drive definitely cannot swap with the '60 starter motor cone.

The reason is that the whole '60 starter motor is much shorter than the '58 direct drive starter.

In order to fit the '60 starter on my 58 engine I found it necessary to swap the bellhousing of the '60 transmission as well.
'60 bellhousing + '60 starter proper fit.

I'll provide some pictures about this matter with my next post, hoping to be helpful in the event some guys in the future might encounter the same trouble.

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1960fury
Posted 2018-03-06 2:55 PM (#559340 - in reply to #559013)
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is there really a difference between 58 and 60 318 poly starters? never heard that before. 62+ yes, but not 57-61. ?
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jboymechanic
Posted 2018-03-06 11:33 PM (#559373 - in reply to #559013)
Subject: Re: '60 starter in a'58 318



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I'm certainly glad Chrysler got it all sorted out after 1962, I made my own mistake in my Imperial. I put a 1957 torque converter in it, which is the same diameter as a 1956 and earlier torque converter, but the gear pitch is different. The starter gear diameter is slightly different between 1956 and 1957 as well so the placement in the transmission adapter plate is also slightly different. The result is that I can't simply install a 1957 starter into the car as they won't engage each other. I will have to pull the trans, bell housing and torque converter and put the torque converter with correct ring gear in. Ugh.
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lonesome mopar
Posted 2018-03-10 1:29 PM (#559583 - in reply to #559013)
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<p>I discovered that actually my spare starter is a 1961. here we can see the pics of this '61 starter and the nose cone of my '58 direct drive starter:</p><p>As we see, the '61 solenoid starter  is shorter - therefore the '61 armature shaft would not fit the longer nose cone of the '58 direct drive.</p><p>As a matter of fact to install this '61 starter I had to replace the '61 bellhousing too.</p><p>By luck I recovered it together with the starter motor,  over ten years ago.  And it seemed  an useless part at the time....</p>

Edited by lonesome mopar 2018-03-10 2:04 PM




(starter small.jpg)



(rear of starter.jpg)



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lonesome mopar
Posted 2018-03-10 2:06 PM (#559587 - in reply to #559013)
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By the way, as I am writing this, I still have to start the engine ..... :-))
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-03-10 5:13 PM (#559601 - in reply to #559013)
Subject: Re: '60 starter in a'58 318



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Yep, the devil is in the details....
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lonesome mopar
Posted 2018-03-13 6:05 PM (#559834 - in reply to #559013)
Subject: Re: '60 starter in a'58 318



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Ok I can officially declare that the starter works fine.
Btw compared to my old direct drive it has a much softer and velvet action.
Gone is the brutal clank and the raw turning of gears followed by a tingling sound of the gear drive not fully seated back. Which I kindly loved. It was a manly starter.
(I feel I am going to need another finned torque converter soon, to replace my oold one and put everything back as original.....)
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