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dodge59
Posted 2017-12-18 11:06 AM (#554537)
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help decoding .

Just trying to find out if this is a real  1957 500 car .  See vin and body tag  pics click on the bottom attachments to see body code plate .

I read that all d500's are  hemi cars ,  is that corrct?  

This plate shoes 2286 body code .   also read that body code number starts with a 25 it is a d500 . is that correct?

build sheet shows  engine  kds ...... not kd500  telling  me that it is a poly engine from the start . correct ? varifying it is not a d500 Car?

Thanks for your input .

 



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56D500boy
Posted 2017-12-18 11:31 AM (#554540 - in reply to #554537)
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I am not an expert but I think I know some stuff about 56 and 57 Dodge D500s. Only D500s got the hemi engines. In 1956 it was a 315. In 1957 it was a 325 and that would be in a D500. If 57 is like 56 you could get the D500 option in any level of Dodge, i.e. Coronet, Royal and Custom Royal. You could even get it in the 56 wagons.

A real 57 D500 engine will have an engine number like KD500 - nnnn (starting at 1001), e.g. KD500-12345. The engine number is stamped on the block on the left side of the engine, top, just in front of the valley cover, near the water pump manifold and oil filler tube. Like this one:



IF you owned the car, you could apply and pay for some history of the car and in return receive a photocopy of the original IBM car which should have the KD500 engine number on it, like this one:



What All-par says about the 57 D500:

"For 1957, a Dodge brochure clearly stated that the “Super D-500 Engine” was “available at moderate extra cost on all models... Full hemispherical combustion chamber with double rocker arms. Compression ratio, 9.25:1.... 325 cubic inches.” It was rated at 310 hp and 350 lb-ft and included dual exhausts, heavy-duty double breaker distributor, heavy-duty air cleaner, and dual four-barrel carburetors.

The “D-500 engine” was also sold, “at little cost on all models. All specifcations same as Super D-500 except: Horsepower, 285 @ 4800 rpm. Torque, 345 lbs ft @ 2800 rpm. Single 4-barrel carburetor.” (The Super Red Ram (polyspherical head engine) was 260 hp and 335 lb-ft.)"

57 was the last year for the Dodge hemis in cars at least.

REFERENCE: https://www.allpar.com/model/d500.html
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dodge59
Posted 2017-12-18 11:37 AM (#554541 - in reply to #554537)
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my build sheet shows KDS engine the poly 325. That car would not be a d500 car then correct?
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Posted 2017-12-18 1:18 PM (#554550 - in reply to #554537)
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dodge59 - 2017-12-18 11:06 AM

help decoding .

Just trying to find out if this is a real  1957 500 car .  See vin and body tag  pics click on the bottom attachments to see body code plate .

I read that all d500's are  hemi cars ,  is that corrct?  

This plate shoes 2286 body code .   also read that body code number starts with a 25 it is a d500 . is that correct?



Yes. Or a Super D500.

2286 means a standard chassis and engine for a Custom Royal 2 Dr HT.

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Posted 2017-12-18 2:52 PM (#554552 - in reply to #554540)
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56D500boy - 2017-12-18 11:31 AM

I am not an expert but I think I know some stuff about 56 and 57 Dodge D500s. Only D500s got the hemi engines. In 1956 it was a 315. In 1957 it was a 325 and that would be in a D500. If 57 is like 56 you could get the D500 option in any level of Dodge, i.e. Coronet, Royal and Custom Royal. You could even get it in the 56 wagons.

A real 57 D500 engine will have an engine number like KD500 - nnnn (starting at 1001), e.g. KD500-12345. The engine number is stamped on the block on the left side of the engine, top, just in front of the valley cover, near the water pump manifold and oil filler tube. Like this one:



IF you owned the car, you could apply and pay for some history of the car and in return receive a photocopy of the original IBM car which should have the KD500 engine number on it, like this one:



What All-par says about the 57 D500:

"For 1957, a Dodge brochure clearly stated that the “Super D-500 Engine” was “available at moderate extra cost on all models... Full hemispherical combustion chamber with double rocker arms. Compression ratio, 9.25:1.... 325 cubic inches.” It was rated at 310 hp and 350 lb-ft and included dual exhausts, heavy-duty double breaker distributor, heavy-duty air cleaner, and dual four-barrel carburetors.

The “D-500 engine” was also sold, “at little cost on all models. All specifcations same as Super D-500 except: Horsepower, 285 @ 4800 rpm. Torque, 345 lbs ft @ 2800 rpm. Single 4-barrel carburetor.” (The Super Red Ram (polyspherical head engine) was 260 hp and 335 lb-ft.)"

57 was the last year for the Dodge hemis in cars at least.

REFERENCE: https://www.allpar.com/model/d500.html


Dave. The IBM punch card you posted here. Do you know the car or the owner. It looks like a very interesting car!
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-12-18 3:07 PM (#554555 - in reply to #554552)
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dodge59 - 2017-12-18 11:37 AM
my build sheet shows KDS engine the poly 325. That car would not be a d500 car then correct?


KDS = not a real D500 when it left the factory

KD500 = a real D500 when it left the factory

LD3 Greg - 2017-12-18 2:52 PM
Dave. The IBM punch card you posted here. Do you know the car or the owner. It looks like a very interesting car!
Greg


Sorry Greg. I just right clicked and saved that build card from a thread sometime late last year or early this year. I don't remember more than that. Sorry



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Posted 2017-12-18 3:24 PM (#554556 - in reply to #554555)
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dodge59 - 2017-12-18 11:37 AM
my build sheet shows KDS engine the poly 325. That car would not be a d500 car then correct?


KDS = not a real D500 when it left the factory

KD500 = a real D500 when it left the factory

LD3 Greg - 2017-12-18 2:52 PM
Dave. The IBM punch card you posted here. Do you know the car or the owner. It looks like a very interesting car!
Greg


Sorry Greg. I just right clicked and saved that build card from a thread sometime late last year or early this year. I don't remember more than that. Sorry

:)

Thanks anyway. Maybe someone will recognize it!
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Posted 2017-12-18 5:17 PM (#554566 - in reply to #554556)
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LD3 Greg - 2017-12-18 2:24 PM

Thanks anyway. Maybe someone will recognize it!
Greg


That is Ryan's Missouri Highway Patrol car.

So Greg... is it a Super D500?

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Posted 2017-12-18 5:54 PM (#554571 - in reply to #554537)
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<p>The reason I asked the question .... " a real d500" ? is .... A dealership in CT is trying to tell me there 57 dodge on the show room floor is a real d500 . and it is obviously NOT , being a KDS poly head engine code. and the body tag code on the firewall being 2286 not being 25 (first two digits) . If it was a d500 it would have started with the number 25 for d500 and 27 for Super d500 correct? They are only asking $23k for it . The car is in mint condition. A car like this should go for double that and then some .</p>

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56D500boy
Posted 2017-12-18 6:30 PM (#554580 - in reply to #554571)
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Looks like a nice 57 CR Lancer. $23K isn't real D-500 pricing so if you can live with a clone and people constantly telling you that it isn't a real D-500 (if you let them see the IBM card, etc), it's probably a bargain. The engine should look like this, down to the oval (not round, I learned that one the hard way) aircleaner.

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Posted 2017-12-18 8:09 PM (#554587 - in reply to #554537)
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Thanks, Danny. As I recall there was another thread discussing this and didn't the IBM card indicate it was a D500?

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Posted 2017-12-18 10:33 PM (#554607 - in reply to #554587)
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LD3 Greg - 2017-12-18 8:09 PM

Thanks, Danny. As I recall there was another thread discussing this and didn't the IBM card indicate it was a D500?

Greg


I found the thread. The IBM card (the birth certificate) says D500. Done!!

But, it is confusing. 25 means "standard chassis equipment for this specific model" plus optional engine. The optional engine was D500 or Super D500. Gotta go to the IBM card to know for sure which engine.

Neil and I had info, photos, documentation and body plate info on two Super Ds. One was a Coronet 2Dr HT. no sway bar and just standard Coro chassis stuff.
Second was a Custom Royal 2Dr HT, with sway bar and standard CR chassis stuff.

Both coded as 25. This backs up what I said above BUT, as far as I know, Neil didn't have the IBM card copies for these two cars. Even if we had them we couldn't interpret them!! The next problem is that both these cars have been totally retrimmed and/or rebodied over the last many years!

Ryan's purchase and photos and search for the unknown is fantastic. 27, to me, means "optional engine", in this case D500 and all kinds of special chassis parts. Sway bar on a Coronet, probably HD 952/3 torsion bars, 12" brakes and possibly the 1731815/1737003 HD rear springs.

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Posted 2017-12-18 11:39 PM (#554613 - in reply to #554580)
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56D500boy - 2017-12-18 4:30 PM

Looks like a nice 57 CR Lancer. $23K isn't real D-500 pricing so if you can live with a clone and people constantly telling you that it isn't a real D-500 (if you let them see the IBM card, etc), it's probably a bargain. The engine should look like this, down to the oval (not round, I learned that one the hard way) aircleaner.



Yep! There are a lot of wannabes out there Glen as my friend LD3Greg once commented Documentation says it all with a combined touch appraisal of the car recommended
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Posted 2017-12-19 12:11 AM (#554617 - in reply to #554537)
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Here's the body tag from my D500 for comparison. Ask the dealership to back their claim to fame in writing to guaranteeing it's a D500 'write a cheque quick and take the car stop payment on the cheque immediately after taking possession. When they want the money tell them you'll give them real money when you get a real D500 till then keep the car……….see what they have to say about that. Oh where did my mind go? I was just posting a body tag photo

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Posted 2017-12-19 12:42 AM (#554620 - in reply to #554617)
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Here's the body tag from my D500 for comparison. Ask the dealership to back their claim to fame in writing to guaranteeing it's a D500 'write a cheque quick and take the car stop payment on the cheque immediately after taking possession. When they want the money tell them you'll give them real money when you get a real D500 till then keep the car……….see what they have to say about that. Oh where did my mind go? I was just posting a body tag photo


Really neat stuff!! Your car is coded with solex glass and shaded visors. Can you post a photo of those visors? I have only seen maybe three cars with those!!

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Posted 2017-12-19 12:52 AM (#554622 - in reply to #554537)
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Ok here you go Greg it's the only photo I have file of the sun visors. Thx for expressing an interest in these shades I initially just took them for granted……wow what an oversight by me. Sorry I just was thinking this is not my thread I can remove it and post another thread?

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Posted 2017-12-19 8:11 AM (#554631 - in reply to #554607)
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So 27 means D500 with upgraded suspension and brakes, but not necessarily Super D500?

When this car was first "found" years ago, Neil immediately identified it as a Super D500.

So how is a '57 Super D500 coded on the build sheet?
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Posted 2017-12-19 9:44 AM (#554635 - in reply to #554617)
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david , I like the way you think . but anyway   ...... see you body tag shows first two numbers as 25 which is correct for a d500 car.  

    Here is the scoop on this dodge I'm refering to .  I put  $1000  down on the car thru a mastercard Check card  associated bank  , dealership  sent me the build sheet and body tag  after I sent them the money so that is intrapment . Like they were holding all the documents  on the car until they reeled me in .Now after decoding everything it shows it is not a d500 but the deaslership keep saying they are right and I am wrong. they are taking sides with the auction company they bought it from . They misrepresent the car describing  it as a D500 car. SO I want my $1000 back , so when  I used a check card the bank  can not stop the payment . So now if have to go thru other channels to get it back ct  motor vehicle , and ct trade consumer protection which I am calling tody.then aftersigning all the paper work for purchasing the car  they did not have me sign a authorization form totake the $1000 out of check card. he said he did not need to have me sign a document form .  which I think he screwed himself there and I will proceed on the claim also. These documents above  clearly show that it is not a d500 car just by the build sheet  alone showing  the engine size as a kds poly head 325. case closed. all D500's were hemi cars .

What are your thoughts? any other routes to persue? Thanks 

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Posted 2017-12-19 10:20 AM (#554640 - in reply to #554635)
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Is it a D500?

No.

Is it a really impressive '57 Dodge CRL coupe?

Yes it is.

It is worth the $23k asking price, in my opinion. If it was a D500 car, it could be double that. Maybe just buy the car and enjoy it? I dunno, up to you.
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Posted 2017-12-19 12:50 PM (#554657 - in reply to #554635)
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dodge59 - 2017-12-19 7:44 AM

david , I like the way you think . but anyway   ...... see you body tag shows first two numbers as 25 which is correct for a d500 car.  

    Here is the scoop on this dodge I'm refering to .  I put  $1000  down on the car thru a mastercard Check card  associated bank  , dealership  sent me the build sheet and body tag  after I sent them the money so that is intrapment . Like they were holding all the documents  on the car until they reeled me in .Now after decoding everything it shows it is not a d500 but the deaslership keep saying they are right and I am wrong. they are taking sides with the auction company they bought it from . They misrepresent the car describing  it as a D500 car. SO I want my $1000 back , so when  I used a check card the bank  can not stop the payment . So now if have to go thru other channels to get it back ct  motor vehicle , and ct trade consumer protection which I am calling tody.then aftersigning all the paper work for purchasing the car  they did not have me sign a authorization form totake the $1000 out of check card. he said he did not need to have me sign a document form .  which I think he screwed himself there and I will proceed on the claim also. These documents above  clearly show that it is not a d500 car just by the build sheet  alone showing  the engine size as a kds poly head 325. case closed. all D500's were hemi cars .

What are your thoughts? any other routes to persue? Thanks 



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Posted 2017-12-19 1:52 PM (#554662 - in reply to #554537)
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I just filed a claim with STATE OF CONNECTICUT
DEPARTMENT OF CONSUMER PROTECTION . Maybe they can do something .
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Posted 2017-12-19 2:03 PM (#554663 - in reply to #554537)
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Posted 2017-12-19 2:56 PM (#554665 - in reply to #554537)
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Sorry,I'm not familiar with your 59 should I be well, Of coarse I should be, so fill me in
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Posted 2017-12-19 6:25 PM (#554674 - in reply to #554537)
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Posted 2017-12-19 7:08 PM (#554676 - in reply to #554663)
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RUSTORICHES aka David .. do you remember the pic of the 59 dodge in my avatar ?


Dave's not here man.

Rustoriches is Glen S.

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Posted 2017-12-19 7:11 PM (#554677 - in reply to #554537)
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Posted 2017-12-22 12:32 AM (#554844 - in reply to #554631)
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57burb - 2017-12-19 8:11 AM

So 27 means D500 with upgraded suspension and brakes, but not necessarily Super D500?

When this car was first "found" years ago, Neil immediately identified it as a Super D500.

So how is a '57 Super D500 coded on the build sheet?


27 means optional engine and upgraded suspension. Check it out yourself! The only way one could order suspension upgrades is by a package. The second digit is the "chassis" code which involves the "packages". No other way, for example, to order a sway bar on a Coronet. No way to order heavier "domestic" torsion bars except by package.

Neil and I have clearly identified " chassis" codes: 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, and now 27? I have a chart of our results.

I'm not so sure if 27, in fact, included 12" brakes but can you see any other order code on the the punch card to order them?

Of course Neil jumped at it. We ALL did! But we were just half wrong! Ryan's punch card proves that!

Super D will show up on some revision (some day) of the punch card in column 49. I already showed you a broadcast sheet to prove that was a correct order code for some period of time. I already pointed out that since it was only a two digit code, there would be more than one "offering" of Super D! WHY aren't any of you guys chasing that?!!

Neil is gone. At 76 I'm pretty well done with this stuff. Nothing more to add. I tossed all my work notes back in 2003 when renovating the house. I just kept all my 57/58 decoding notes. Neil and I had a couple very long telephone calls about various topics when he was in Reno, but nothing about this.

You guys are the ones who have to get your hands dirty and expand on this research!! We did our job!
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Posted 2017-12-22 12:45 AM (#554845 - in reply to #554622)
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Ok here you go Greg it's the only photo I have file of the sun visors. Thx for expressing an interest in these shades I initially just took them for granted……wow what an oversight by me. Sorry I just was thinking this is not my thread I can remove it and post another thread?


Thanks, Glen!
Always a real treat to see rare things preserved in their functional condition!!

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Posted 2017-12-22 1:00 AM (#554846 - in reply to #554537)
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Thanks Greg for sharing all your findings through the years, yes I too had a couple of discussions with Neil before his passing and can only wish they could have been longer. I'll always remember the topic of D500 interior pkg. Black/Gold which I thought at the time was exclusive to the D500 Model…..I'm sure I read that somewhere and could never find the article again…..Neil set me straight on that one. Your comment sometime ago in reference to my D500 quote;There's a lot of wannabes out there and now after several years of just following along I can see that myself Thanks for that Greg and I still owe you some better photos of those safety visors that my D500 came equipped with.
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Posted 2017-12-22 11:25 AM (#554861 - in reply to #554537)
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Posted 2018-02-08 3:08 AM (#557674 - in reply to #554537)
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Late to the party here....was there any update to this D500?....i own 2 D500's ...my 2dr ht CRL body code is 2286 i have the IBM card and FCA Option print out as well...i need to scan a better picture of the IBM card as there is a BooBoo on it...the guy that wrote it out put KDS-500 on the card but the engine stamping is correct with the same numbers and the FCA confirms its a true D500....my other D500 body code is 2575 This is a D500 Royal Sedan, i have the original invoice for it...but haven't applied for the FCA Card yet

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Posted 2018-02-08 9:23 AM (#557680 - in reply to #554537)
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at 23k if that car is that clean isn't a bad price even if its not a D500, the dealership is wanting to get its money back out of the auction for paying to much I bet.

its got the repop hub caps that I don't like though.
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Posted 2018-02-08 10:35 AM (#557682 - in reply to #557674)
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 The Update  is ,  the yellow and white 57 is NOT a d500 car as all the information data showed . Don't buy anything from this dealership , They are dishonest people .

The good thing is , I got my money back  and not without a fight. Thanks God for that.

What goes around comes around ! 

 

 

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Posted 2018-02-08 10:37 AM (#557683 - in reply to #554537)
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If the car is still available I think it would be a good deal. Remember, a nice paint job can run $10k these days....
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Posted 2018-02-08 11:48 AM (#557688 - in reply to #554537)
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well all dealerships have their "standards" which dealer was it? other people may want to know about the car.

the dealer now realizes they are the ones who got snookered at the auction.
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Posted 2018-02-08 11:57 AM (#557689 - in reply to #554844)
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LD3 Greg - 2017-12-21 9:32 PM

27 means optional engine and upgraded suspension. Check it out yourself! The only way one could order suspension upgrades is by a package. The second digit is the "chassis" code which involves the "packages". No other way, for example, to order a sway bar on a Coronet. No way to order heavier "domestic" torsion bars except by package.

Neil and I have clearly identified " chassis" codes: 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, and now 27? I have a chart of our results......



Greg, can you post this updated chart, or provide a link to it?
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Posted 2018-02-08 12:48 PM (#557690 - in reply to #557689)
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Powerflite - 2018-02-08 11:57 AM

LD3 Greg - 2017-12-21 9:32 PM

27 means optional engine and upgraded suspension. Check it out yourself! The only way one could order suspension upgrades is by a package. The second digit is the "chassis" code which involves the "packages". No other way, for example, to order a sway bar on a Coronet. No way to order heavier "domestic" torsion bars except by package.

Neil and I have clearly identified " chassis" codes: 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, and now 27? I have a chart of our results......



Greg, can you post this updated chart, or provide a link to it?


My "chart" was done by typewriter many years ago with numerous handwritten changes. When I get home I will try to tidy it up!

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Posted 2018-02-08 6:10 PM (#557703 - in reply to #554537)
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Just another note...my Royal D500 did come with the round air cleaner...As mine has factory A/C and the oval type doesn't clear the pump and hoses and heater blower

Looking at the car it's not a bad buy at $23k for a nice 57 CRL 2dr ht, with a little bonus of having a Hemi installed.....and I too spotted the repop'ed hubcaps...the first thing I noticed was they are 58 style (Black centers)...then looking at the edge they protrude too far out

My Royal is the same colors as the CRL we are talking about, looking at the photo in the dealership ,The yellow is too bright...this is not the true "Sunshine Yellow" for 57...the paint on my car is still 100% original and looking inside the door openings etc the exterior hasn't faded much at all....but even still inside of my car is no where as bright Yellow as the car posted

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Posted 2018-02-08 7:15 PM (#557706 - in reply to #557703)
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arizona mopar gold - 2018-02-08 6:10 PM
Just another note...my Royal D500 did come with the round air cleaner...As mine has factory A/C and the oval type doesn't clear the pump and hoses and heater blower


That makes sense. However, it doesn't explain this round one (no A/C):



REFERENCE: https://www.schmitt.com/inventory/ds-1957-dodge-custom-royal-lancer-...

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Posted 2018-02-08 9:08 PM (#557717 - in reply to #554537)
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I would question a "over" restored car like this....my Royal is still all original
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Posted 2018-02-10 1:35 PM (#557842 - in reply to #557688)
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mikes2nd - 2018-02-08 10:48 AM well all dealerships have their "standards" which dealer was it? other people may want to know about the car. the dealer now realizes they are the ones who got snookered at the auction.

roadreadyusedcars in Ct.

 

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Posted 2018-02-10 2:08 PM (#557843 - in reply to #557842)
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dodge59 - 2018-02-10 1:35 PM

mikes2nd - 2018-02-08 10:48 AM well all dealerships have their "standards" which dealer was it? other people may want to know about the car. the dealer now realizes they are the ones who got snookered at the auction.

roadreadyusedcars in Ct.

 



This one (still listed as "Trim: D500")

http://www.roadreadyusedcars.com/1957-Dodge-CustomRoyal/Used-Classi...

Somebody went a little sticker crazy for sure:



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Posted 2018-02-13 4:24 PM (#558049 - in reply to #554537)
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I take back what i said after looking at those photos of the 57 CRL...its not a good $23K car...its a over priced $23K Dodge...wrong "D500" engine...lol...Wrong interior...cheap repop 58 caps, Speedo housing too!...the one shown is a 58 unit....One thing i did notice that i'd like to have...its running a factory A/C Radiator
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Posted 2018-02-13 4:54 PM (#558052 - in reply to #554537)
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What's the difference in speedo housings between '57 and '58? I thought they were the same.
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Posted 2018-02-13 6:06 PM (#558056 - in reply to #554537)
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rofl well it looked okay in the one picture... that place should change its name...

its got some horrible reviews.

hah 15000 miles :)  I think the owner got snookered at an auction?  Anyone have the auction link?  This is the kind of stuff that give FWL cars a bad name...  Pawning off a regular car as a D500.  Put them emblems and stickers on it but you better say "CLONE"... car and dont try that "tribute" bullsh(t either... 

https://www.yelp.com/biz/road-ready-used-cars-ansonia-2?adjust_creative=bing&utm_campaign=yelp_feed&utm_medium=feed_v2&utm_source=bing



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Posted 2018-02-13 9:35 PM (#558068 - in reply to #554537)
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That's definitely a "Stay Clear" one our members here on the forum lost his deposit on this one and I done some inquiries on this one by request and I must say they not Lion Tamers but they are Lion Bxxtxxdx !!!
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Posted 2018-02-13 10:13 PM (#558071 - in reply to #554537)
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he said he got his money back. If the car is actually solid and a real custom royal its worth it I think.

IF its solid. Interior is unrestored it looks and it all there. It was a manual brake car?

I don't think you'd find any cheaper car, even 57 dodge 2dr ht's now are getting hard to find.

Hemmings only has two 57 dodges and both are 4 doors.  57 Chevys alone there are like 200...

the third for 30k is the nice coronet.  Not sure if its sold... teds tuna boat has a project for 11,500$

https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1957/dodge/coronet/100947477

 

John you think it was Coronet body with a Custom Royal swap?

 



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Posted 2018-02-14 9:39 AM (#558090 - in reply to #558071)
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body tag says 2286  .. and build sheet  # 67-2  . I believe is a custom royal .





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Posted 2018-02-14 9:54 AM (#558091 - in reply to #554537)
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Here is a video of the Fake d500 .. I believe this is the guy that put it all together from the way he is describing the car.. something about the engine that does not sound right out the exhaust. sounds like the cam has some lobes worn off. imo

www.youtube.com/watch?v=95QlxH2pBZU&t=3s
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Posted 2018-02-14 11:01 AM (#558095 - in reply to #554537)
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The motor does sound a little sick, but not quite a miss. A 413 in a '57 Dodge seems like it should be quite a bit faster than low 15 sec in a '57 Dodge if it was running well, but a top speed number would eliminate the traction question.

Do all '57 CRL's have that extra trim under the fins or is it an extra option? I can't say that I am a fan of that trim.
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