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56D500boy
Posted 2018-03-08 2:11 PM (#559463 - in reply to #559436)
Subject: RE: Car Life - March 1957 - 57 300C advert



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This was a two page spread in the March 57 issue of Car Life



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56D500boy
Posted 2018-03-08 4:34 PM (#559473 - in reply to #559463)
Subject: RE: Car Life - March 1957 - 57 Desoto Consumer Review



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Also from the March 57 issue of Car Life. I don't need to keep this magazine (it came with another one with 56 Dodge stuff in it). If somebody wants the magazine, you can have it for the cost of a padded envelop and postage.





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billy
Posted 2018-03-09 11:36 AM (#559522 - in reply to #552010)
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Wow,,thats alot of literature Dave...
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-04-02 2:18 PM (#560960 - in reply to #559522)
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Hemmings Classic Car June 2007

Too bad that Hemmings doesn't always get everything 100% correct, e.g. what they called the D500 315 hemi engine.

But this one does talk about the 218 hp 2bbl, single exhaust 315 poly as being the Super Red Ram.





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56D500boy
Posted 2018-05-26 3:30 PM (#564044 - in reply to #560960)
Subject: 1956 Mopar Wagons - Car Life May 1956



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I was at the biggest swap meet in my area yesterday and basically found nothing for my 56 Dodge (unless Ford 4.5" x 5 rims count). I did buy a couple of new wrenches (1.125" and 1.25") for $5 each and a May 1956 Car Life Magazine because of the 56 wagon content.

I have previously posted scans of the 1956 Dodge Wagon brochure:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=64788&...

The "new" article included 1956 wagons from Buick, Chev, Chrysler, Desoto, Dodge, Ford, Pontiac and Plymouth. The pages below are just the Mopar stuff:





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56D500boy
Posted 2018-10-10 6:42 PM (#571454 - in reply to #564044)
Subject: Customized 56 Dodges and 57 Plymouth from Feb and June 1959



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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-10-30 5:44 PM (#572638 - in reply to #552010)
Subject: Re: FWL Magazine Scans Ultimate Thread


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1958 Popular Science Dec 57 issue



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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-08-13 4:29 PM (#585972 - in reply to #552010)
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Economy Run... Chrysler won across the board...





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Beltran
Posted 2019-08-20 9:06 PM (#586308 - in reply to #552010)
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The October edition of Classic Car has this on the front cover!
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1960fury
Posted 2019-08-21 5:15 AM (#586321 - in reply to #552010)
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Love this thread, if it deals with contemporary (old) articles. Very nice idea.
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-10-04 1:07 PM (#588393 - in reply to #586321)
Subject: 56 Dodge Panel Wagon (1 of 6 - if you believe it)



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I've had this June 2000 Car Collector magazine for a while now and I thought that I had posted scans of the article to this thread. But nope. So here they are:





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57burb
Posted 2019-10-04 2:01 PM (#588397 - in reply to #552010)
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"1 of 6" and "done in Texas by a conversion shop"

but

"no body tags to identify the maker"

They seem to know some specifics about the conversion and how many were made, without actually knowing who did it.

Without documentation it is a nice looking custom car...
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Posted 2019-10-04 2:50 PM (#588400 - in reply to #588397)
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I would expect a lot more than 6 were made, but maybe that's just '56 Dodge. I wish the article gave more information about it, I came across this '56 Plymouth panel that was for sale locally and checked it out in detail. The side panels are definitely professionally made as they have the matching body line that goes across them at the top that would be very difficult to reproduce without some serious stamping equipment. Wayne (Stilloutthere) also inspected one and stated the same thing; that it looked factory made. These were used by the military, fire stations and other municipal functions. This particular '56 Plymouth was used by an LA fire station, probably for investigations use. The paint code on it is cherry red bottom with white top and started out as a base level Plaza with a 6 cylinder motor. These things are really rare, but they are definitely legit, and not some custom done by a home restorer.



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-11-19 6:31 PM (#590403 - in reply to #588393)
Subject: AutoAge May 1956 "Faster Forward Look"



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Just got this one today (after looking for a long long time).





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56D500boy
Posted 2020-04-14 9:18 PM (#596855 - in reply to #590403)
Subject: HiPerf Mopar July 1995 1957 New Yorker in Britain



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Found this while going through a box of Mopar magazines that a friend had given me awhile back. Just found this one today.





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56D500boy
Posted 2020-07-16 8:30 PM (#600992 - in reply to #596855)
Subject: RE: HiPerf Mopar July 1995 1957 New Yorker in Britain



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Searching for the Karl Pippart III article that starts on pg. 26 in the Dec. 1998 issue of Mopar Muscle. This one:



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Posted 2020-07-17 1:28 AM (#601003 - in reply to #552010)
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The following link is to my media page for the 300F. On this page I have every period magazine article I have found as well as the press kit, brochures and other materials.

https://300f.com/media.htm
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-07-22 11:20 AM (#601178 - in reply to #600992)
Subject: RE: HiPerf Mopar July 1995 1957 New Yorker in Britain



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Searching for the Karl Pippart III article that starts on pg. 26 in the Dec. 1998 issue of Mopar Muscle.


Anybody have this magazine/article? Is it worth buying the magazine? (Shipping to Canada will be a killer)

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Posted 2020-08-05 3:14 PM (#601720 - in reply to #552010)
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 Posted 2018-04-02 2:18 PM (#560960 - in reply to #559522
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Hemmings Classic Car June 2007 

Too bad that Hemmings doesn't always get everything 100% correct, e.g. what they called the D500 315 hemi engine. 

But this one does talk about the 218 hp 2bbl, single exhaust 315 poly as being the Super Red Ram. 


     I have read your Hemming magazine article that you have downloaded, which I thought was quite interesting. But, I do not see anywhere that the author had stated that this particular 1956 Dodge Custom Royal car that is shown in his article, has the D500 315 Hemi engine. Although, I see that the author mentions that it was an option in mid-year of 1956 and he also mentions that the most noteworthy changes for 1956 was the Hemi engine V-8 (both remarks stated on page 34) ? Could you please explain what you are talking about ?

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56D500boy
Posted 2020-08-05 3:39 PM (#601722 - in reply to #560960)
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Chrycoman101 (Scott) said:

"I have read your Hemming magazine article that you have downloaded, which I thought was quite interesting. But, I do not see anywhere that the author had stated that this particular 1956 Dodge Custom Royal car that is shown in his article, has the D500 315 Hemi engine. Although, I see that the author mentions that it was an option in mid-year of 1956 and he also mentions that the most noteworthy changes for 1956 was the Hemi engine V-8 (both remarks stated on page 34) ? Could you please explain what you are talking about ?"

Scott: Sorry but I will probably sound a bit annoyed (because I am). Mostly because it is magazines like Hemmings, that people take to be the "Gospel" and without errors, that perpetuate myths and falsehoods.

The Aug 2009 Hemmings article called the D500 315 hemi the "Super Powered Super Red Ram". That is not true. The "Super Powered Super Red Ram" was the 230 hp 4 bbl dual exhaust version of the 315 Poly. The optional 315 4 bbl dual exhaust 260 hp hemi engine was simply called the "D500" engine. The dual 4 bbl 4 bolt outlet exhaust manifold 276/295 hp version was the D500-1 engine. End of story.







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chryslerman101
Posted 2020-08-05 5:55 PM (#601724 - in reply to #601722)
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Thanks 56D500boy for your replies. 

1) My name is Scott, but my username is Chryslerman101 and NOT Chrycoman101. I am new to this site, but I have been a member of the AACA website for a very long time, which is also a very informative forum with a lot of bright people on it.

2) You had switched the Hemmings article to August 2009, for the original Hemmings article that you had posted on this thread was from a Hemmings June 2007 magazine article and by your comments it left the impression that its author was not factually correct ?

3) The newly added Hemmings August 2009 article that you have just downloaded, does state the fact that "The Super Powered Super Red Ram" was a 315 cu. in. HEMI with a single four barrel carb pumping out 260 hp ? I have seen quite a few pieces of "early 1956" literature and articles which say the samething. I think that I read somewhere that Dodge had originally called it the Super Powered Super Red Ram 315 cu. in. HEMI engine, and later on its marketing department had changed it to simply the D-500 option. Even more confusing is the fact that the 1955 Dodge Custom Royal V-8 cars had a Super Red Ram HEMI engine, then in 1956 the Super Red Ram engine became a poly engine ??

I have found another article which says the samething as the August 2009 Hemmings article, and it is written by the Auto Editors of the Consumer Guide.

I have been a subscriber of Hemmings magazines and a lot of other magazine publications for a very long time (since 2005), and I think that they have a lot of great writers, including Jeff Koch who is a Chrysler engineer and writes a lot of great articles for Hemmings publications. Can Hemmings magazines sometimes make a mistake, sure ?  I have also seen a lot of other newspapers and magazines make some errors or mistakes, including the major ones like Motor Trend, Road & Track, etc. But, just because you find one or two mistakes, that does not mean that they are a bad or not an accurate publication, like the Hollywood tabloids. If that was the case, then Hemmings publications would not of been in business since 1954 and I also do enjoy reading its magazines.

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56D500boy
Posted 2020-08-05 8:10 PM (#601727 - in reply to #601724)
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Scott: I am happy that you enjoy and trust Hemmings. I too enjoy Hemmings but, based on mistakes that I have seen, I do NOT trust their articles to be 100% accurate.

That Consumer's Guide article is so full of mistakes, it is laughable. I am not even going to bother to point them all out to you.

There was a Dodge Royal in 1954 that was the Indy Pace car and it was festooned with D-500 badges. So yes, it might have been called a D-500.

However, there was no 1955 Dodge D-500. There was a power pack option for the 1955 Dodge 270 hemis that used the four barrel manifold and four barrel carb from the 1954 pace car. That did not make them D-500s despite what some magazine writers might have thought and/or written.

You say and I agree on this: "Even more confusing is the fact that the 1955 Dodge Custom Royal V-8 cars had a Super Red Ram HEMI engine, then in 1956 the Super Red Ram engine became a poly engine ?? "

Yup. That is exactly what they did and in my opinion that was a big mistake that has caused confusion to this day when people assume things and don't do their homework thoroughly. The initial 1956 Dodge engine line-up is as listed in the Ross Royal Dodge Data book that I posted above. In 1956, the Super Red Ram Dodge V8 was a 2 bbl 218 hp 315 polyspherical head engine. The Super-Powered Super Red Ram was the 4 bbl, dual exhaust, 230 hp version of that 315 poly.

For the 1956 model year, the D-500 option was announced to the dealers via a memo dated Dec. 22, 1955. See attached.

The initial 1956 Dodge D-500 engine was a solid lifter single 4 bbl, dual exhaust, 260 hp 315 cubic inch dual rocker shaft (later called "hemi") head engine. The engine was never called anything but the D-500 engine. No Super, no Red Ram. Just D500.

One of the first 1956 Dodge D-500s built was a Custom Royal 2dr hardtop Lancer with engine number D500-1003 (the first engine was -1001). So the third D-500 engine engine. It was built on or about Dec. 16th, 1955 (ready for the first sales) according to its IBM card.

The next iteration was the dual 4 bbl engine. This was announced in a memo dated Jan. 12, 1956 (see attached).

That option became known as the D500-1 (as in "dash one") engine. It was NEVER called the Super D500 engine for the 1956 model year. However, for the 1957 model year the single four barrel 325 hemi engine was the D-500 engine and the dual four bbl 325 hemi was called the Super D-500 engine. (see attached). But for 1956 it was D-500 and D500-1.

I trust that clears up any confusion about the 1956 Dodge D500 engines.




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Posted 2020-08-05 9:56 PM (#601728 - in reply to #601727)
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      Thanks 56D500boy for your detailed explanation, which you had cleared up some of the confusion that Dodge had created. But, I doubt that any automotive magazine writer will be able to get it totally correct ? I would think that it would be better to designate its engines by just calling it a HEMI and its motor's HORSEPOWER, which Dodge did in 1964 with some of its stock muscle race cars with the 426 Hemi high-performance V-8 engines and also with its 1966 street version stock muscle car Dodge models. 

It looks like Dodge like the word "SUPER," which they had used for its 1955 SUPER Red Ram Hemi engine, 1956 SUPER Red Ram Poly engine, 1956 SUPER Powered SUPER Red Ram Poly engine, and 1957 SUPER D-500 Hemi engines.

To add further confusion, I found this additional information from the Allpar website, which I also think it has very comprehensive and informative materials that are published on this site and that I also enjoy reading very much.

Supposedly, a 3rd bulletin release letter was issued by Dodge on March 9th, 1956, about new changes for the D-500s ....

"On March 9, 1956 there was an announcement that boded ill for the D-500: the D-500 Special using standard Dodge suspension springs and 11-inch brakes. That was part of a letter that was released on March 9, 1956, reading, “We recently extended the availability of this equipment to include all V8 models and body types.” It confused the identity of the freshly minted D-500.

One issue was adding the potent engine to the Royal (V8 model) that the D-500 was never intended for. The D-500 was only intended for the Custom Royal and the Coronet, period. Now the Royal line was part of the D-500 series.

Just think of the mess that would have been made of the C300 if Chrysler had offered a C300 motor package in a 4 door sedan Winsor or a station wagon or worse yet, in anything, across the board. Well , that's what happen to the D-500 when the D-500 special was offered across the board, to include the 4 door sedan and 4 door hardtop Lancers and station wagons (bulletin B-J14) . The source of this information is B. J. Nichols (Feb. 28, 1993) ."

https://www.allpar.com/model/d500.html

Also, I don't think that you should blame a Hemmings magazine article about the minor miswording with regards to the proper name use for the 1956 D-500 Hemi engine. Instead, I would blame Dodge for all the mess and confusion, which they had caused with all of its poorly communicated press and bulletin releases.

Thanks for all your information and downloads, which was very informative and interesting.

 

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56D500boy
Posted 2020-08-06 1:08 PM (#601734 - in reply to #601728)
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Yes there was confusion caused by Chrysler/Dodge playing games with what "Super" meant. That said, I can't accept for a moment that any writer for any publication (including Hemmings and Allpar) could not get the name of the 56 Dodge 315 cubic inch double-rocker 260 hp 4 bbl dual exhaust engine 100% correct as the D-500 engine. There is lots of literature from back in the day, both magazines and official publications/brochures that got it right (I own copies of most of those).

As for the March 9th memo, that is one that I am still looking for an actual copy. Not that I need it to understand the D-500 history. It is well documented in the D-500 article written by Dennis and Karen Kennedy in the Vol. 27 No. 9, May 1995 issue of the WPC (Walter P. Chrysler Club) News magazine.

There are lots of period D-500 articles in this thread:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=64334&...

And the D-500 brochure in this thread:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67802&...




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chryslerman101
Posted 2020-08-21 7:45 PM (#602378 - in reply to #552010)
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Thanks 56D500boy for your information and links that you have provided.

       But, I am just wondering why the 1956 Dodge D-500 brochure, which you have kindly downloaded onto this site, that nowhere that it is mentioned that its 260 hp 315 cu. in. engine is a "Hemi".  In fact, you have also downloaded (2) other 1956 Dodge D-500 ads onto this site and neither one of them has mentioned the fact that its engine is a "Hemi" engine ? However, the 1955 Dodge brochure clearly shows a photo and explains its Super Red Ram and Red Ram as being Hemi engines. 

Although, I do see that it mentions the word "Hemi" in the (one) December 1955 Dodge confidential price list for dealers only, which you have provided. So my question for you is, why do think think that Dodge would not mention the fact that it had a "Hemi" engine in any of its 1956 D-500 brochures or in its advertisements ?

Last, I have a stack of old Motor Life magazines that was published by the Petersen Publishing company, which was also the same publisher for the the Motor Trend magazines. I had noticed that you have down loaded (2) different issues of Motor Life magazines onto this thread and I am wondering if you think that its magazine article's information is accurate, for I know that you do not think that Hemmings magazine articles are so accurate ? Btw, I also love reading all my old issues of Motor Life magazines and this particular magazine publication is also shown as being one the the "experts" and it is listed on the back page of your 1956 Dodge D-500 brochure.

 

 





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56D500boy
Posted 2020-08-21 8:49 PM (#602379 - in reply to #602378)
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Chrysler's first experiences with the hemispherical head design was with their work on the XIV-2220 inverted V16 engine, rated at 2,500 hp (1,860 kW), for the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt fighter aircraft. When they finally got around to their
first automotive V8s with hemispherical heads in 1951 for Chrysler, 1952 for Desoto and 1953 for Dodge, they referred to the engines with hemispherical heads as "aircraft-type".
The first official use of the term "Hemi" wasn't until 1964 with the Generation 2 426 cu in "elephant" engines, initially developed for NASCAR applications. These were the first engines
officially designated "Hemi", a name Chrysler had trademarked.

Until then, the engines with 1951-1958 hemispherical heads were referred to as "double rocker shaft" engines and the polyspherical head engines as "single rocker shaft" engines.

Any magazine article written after 1964 is likely to call the 1951-58 Double Rocker Aircraft-type engines "Hemis" even though they were unlikely to have been called "Hemis" back in the pre-1964 day.

REFERENCES:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Hemi_engine
2. http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=73594
3. http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=73707



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Posted 2020-08-21 10:10 PM (#602384 - in reply to #552010)
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Huh ???

            56D500boy, I don't see how the latest information that you have given, answers the (two) above questions that are highlighted in red  and which I have previously asked you ? 

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Posted 2020-08-22 1:58 AM (#602395 - in reply to #602384)
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Huh ???

            56D500boy, I don't see how the latest information that you have given, answers the (two) above questions that are highlighted in red  and which I have previously asked you ?



Your questions in red were:

1. So my question for you is, why do think think that Dodge would not mention the fact that it had a "Hemi" engine in any of its 1956 D-500 brochures or in its advertisements ?
2. I am wondering if you think that its magazine article's information is accurate.

My answers are:

1. As explained above, while the combustion chambers were noted as being hemispherical in shape from the very first 1951 Firepower Engine Brochure, the engines were not
called "Hemis" by the Chrysler Corporation until 1964 (see the Wikipedia reference and the information below)



2. It doesn't matter: The magazine and likely its writers are long dead. They can't correct any errors. Hemmings and Allpar, by contrast, are still alive and could correct their errors.

Here is some evidence to support the first corporate use of the term "Hemi" came in 1964:



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Posted 2020-08-22 11:10 AM (#602401 - in reply to #552010)
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Hello 56D500boy,

The word "Hemi" head engine and Hemispherical combustion chamber engine means the samething, just like the word "Poly" head engine and Polyspherical combustion chamber engine. I am also aware of the information on the 1964 Dodge HEMI engines, which I have already stated some of its info. earlier in this thread.

I still feel that you were very vague in answering my two original questions that I have asked you. So, therefore I will rephase my questions that I currently have for you.

1) Why do you think that Dodge never mentions the word "Hemispherical" anywhere in its 1956 Dodge D-500 Brochure and also in the two different 1956 Dodge D-500 Advertisements that you have downloaded onto this site, when Dodge clearly shows its Hemisperical combustion chamber engine photo and its information in the 1953, 1954, 1955, and even in the 1957 brochures ?

2) Do you think that the two "Motor Life" magazine Dodge D-500 articles that you have downloaded onto this thread is 100% accurate, which Dodge also had listed this particular magazine publication as one of the "experts" in its 1956 Dodge D-500 brochure ?

I hope that I have made the above questions for you, more clearer and specific

 

 





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Posted 2020-08-22 12:50 PM (#602406 - in reply to #602401)
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1. I have no idea. Instead, they used one of their favourite phrases "aircraft-type" which, for them, meant hemispherical combustion chambers. I have no idea why they didn't also just
say "hemispherical combustion chambers" in the description. And there is no one alive to ask why not.



REFERENCE for Diagram: Nov. 98 Chrysler Power magazine: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=74095

2. The Motor Life magazine articles about the D-500 do contain factual errors. However, at this point, it doesn't matter. The magazine is dead,
as are the writers (very probably), so I can't write the editor and suggest the necessary corrections that they could publish in a subsequent issue.
It's done. Over. (And will remain wrong forever).

And just to be clear:





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Posted 2020-08-24 10:55 PM (#602505 - in reply to #552010)
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Thanks 56D500boy, for downloading the Chrysler Power Magazine article page which was written by Chrysler's engineer Fred Jennings and it was about Chrysler's first designed Hemi engine (XI-2220) that was used in a Republic XP-47H test fighter "aircraft" during the end of WWII. I was able to find your original thread that you had downloaded the entire article and I was able to read the whole article. 

I thought that it was very interesting about Chrysler's early 1940s historic Hemi engine information and I also found it to be a well written and very informative magazine article !

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=74095&posts=3&start=1

 

 

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Posted 2023-07-14 3:01 PM (#630762 - in reply to #588393)
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This Dec. 1991 article was written by Jeffrey Godshall who was a Senior Design Manager-Product Design Office of the Chrysler Group, and whose resume includes the bold interior of the PT Cruiser. He also wrote several books on classic cars.

(According to his obit (he died in 2019)):

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/218534841/jeffrey-irvin-godshall

I bought this magazine (December 1991 issue of Collectible Automobile (CA)) e as part of a package while I was looking for back-up to some 1956 TorqueFlite stats that Mr. Godshall had made in the Dec. 2013 issue of CA.

If you have a 55 or 56 Plymouth (or Canadian Plodge), this article might be of interest to you. I had a 55 Plodge Regent with the Belvedere-type side trim when I was in high school and University. I didn't realize that they had
lowered the side trim by maybe 3 inches until I read this 1991 article yesterday. So learn something everyday.



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Posted 2023-07-14 4:20 PM (#630763 - in reply to #552010)
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Thanks, I didn't realize that the sportone was standard on '55 Belvedere hardtops & convertibles, and not initially available on the other cars. That rear window in the '56 4dr hardtop rear door is pretty wild too!
The claim that the '56 Dodge dash was installed by the factory on that one car, though is dubious.

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