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Jdm214
Posted 2017-11-01 1:30 PM (#551452)
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Is anyone interested in making an offer on a 57 Dodge D 501

It has been in several magazines.

Please email me posting for a friend
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-11-01 2:29 PM (#551456 - in reply to #551452)
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Jdm214 - 2017-11-01 1:30 PM
Is anyone interested in making an offer on a 57 Dodge D 501
It has been in several magazines.


Photos? Links to the magazines? We need something.

There too many D501 "clones" out there to know a real one from a fake without some evidence/providence.

Just sayin'



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-11-01 5:42 PM
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Posted 2017-11-01 5:07 PM (#551463 - in reply to #551452)
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Posted 2017-11-01 5:59 PM (#551464 - in reply to #551463)
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Swept57
Posted 2017-11-02 10:42 AM (#551490 - in reply to #551456)
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56D500boy - 2017-11-01 2:29 PM

Jdm214 - 2017-11-01 1:30 PM
Is anyone interested in making an offer on a 57 Dodge D 501
It has been in several magazines.


Photos? Links to the magazines? We need something.

There too many D501 "clones" out there to know a real one from a fake without some evidence/providence.

Just sayin'

:)


There are plenty of Coronets that have 354's slapped in them, but they don't even come close to qualifying as a clone. The only one that I know of that is a pretty good clone is the sedan Louie Poole built. He got a lot of it right and actually used a real D-501 block (out of a convertible), but left it an automatic.

BTW, it is Lee Smith's D501 that he is referring too. It has been featured in a number of magazines.



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56D500boy
Posted 2017-11-02 11:21 AM (#551492 - in reply to #551490)
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Swept57 - 2017-11-02 10:42 AM
BTW, it is Lee Smith's D501 that he is referring too. It has been featured in a number of magazines.


That being the case, the original poster ("John" at feb141977@yahoo.com) with one whole post to his name is VERY unlikely to be selling this car on behalf of the owner. Seems more likely to be a Nigerian scam. The real car would go to Mecum or Barett-Jackson.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/atomic_blondes/sets/72157621284804548/

http://racersreunion.com/john-h-strickland/gallery/73048/lee-smiths...

"Lee Smith's 1957 Dodge D501



Lee has owned this since 1959 and this is the most original of the only 4 known left in existence.100 of the factory built race cars were to be used for NASCAR or Drag Race use. Dual quad 354 Hemi w/ close ratio 3 speed and gear options 2.3 through 6.17:1 were available. "

From HAMB: https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/d501-dodge-354-hemi.8045...

"Arnie Beswick ran a 57 Dodge D501 in 57. He sold the car to Lee Smith and Lee sold the car, and eventually bought it back. Lee still owns the car, as far as I know, and it is on loan to the Don Garlits museum in Ocala, FL. The car is red and white and 3 speed on the column. Lee Smith was a successful racer and won the Winter Nationals once and raced Hemi's, one of Lee's cars was a Belvidere wagon. Lee owned the Car Shop in Moline, IL "

Lots of previous D501 talk here:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=36883&...



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Swept57
Posted 2017-11-02 11:47 AM (#551494 - in reply to #551492)
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I know all about Lee's car. I have been to his shop several times. He related the full history of it to me. He also offered to sell it to me a couple of years ago. Lee is not an auction type guy, although it will likely end up making the auction circuit after it sells.

Lee's car IS one of the most original. I have been studying 501s for years and I am aware of 8 still in existence, 5 sedans and 3 convertibles. The picture of the emblem you posted is one I took of the one from my sedan.

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56D500boy
Posted 2017-11-02 12:10 PM (#551498 - in reply to #551494)
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Swept57 - 2017-11-02 11:47 AM
I know all about Lee's car. I have been to his shop several times. He related the full history of it to me. He also offered to sell it to me a couple of years ago. Lee is not an auction type guy, although it will likely end up making the auction circuit after it sells.


So this John is legit and he is acting as Lee's selling agent?

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Swept57
Posted 2017-11-02 12:19 PM (#551499 - in reply to #551498)
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I think John is a friend of Lee's making inquiries on Lee's behalf. I probably wouldn't characterize him as his selling agent. Lee doesn't care too much about computers!
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Posted 2017-11-02 2:25 PM (#551510 - in reply to #551452)
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So what kind of money are we talking about David? Gotta be pushing six figures I assume?
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Swept57
Posted 2017-11-02 3:04 PM (#551513 - in reply to #551510)
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ABloch - 2017-11-02 2:25 PM

So what kind of money are we talking about David? Gotta be pushing six figures I assume?


I am guessing so. At the time Lee offered it to me, he had been recently offered $75K. He wasn't quite ready to sell then, and I had already committed to mine so we didn't pursue further negotiations. Difficult to say with such a unique piece!
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Posted 2017-11-02 5:16 PM (#551519 - in reply to #551452)
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When you start calling a car a "piece" you know it is no longer a car you can enjoy. Just sell it to a museum. Us little guys would ruin it by driving it.
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-11-02 5:25 PM (#551521 - in reply to #551519)
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Powerflite - 2017-11-02 5:16 PM
When you start calling a car a "piece" you know it is no longer a car you can enjoy. Just sell it to a museum. Us little guys would ruin it by driving it.


LOL
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Posted 2017-11-02 5:39 PM (#551522 - in reply to #551519)
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Powerflite - 2017-11-02 5:16 PM

When you start calling a car a "piece" you know it is no longer a car you can enjoy. Just sell it to a museum. Us little guys would ruin it by driving it.


I agree. It will likely end up a trailer queen or maybe in a museum. I learned about the D-501 when Lee had his on loan to Don Garlit's museum of drag racing.
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Posted 2017-11-03 1:32 PM (#551545 - in reply to #551522)
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Powerflite - 2017-11-02 5:16 PM

When you start calling a car a "piece" you know it is no longer a car you can enjoy. Just sell it to a museum. Us little guys would ruin it by driving it.


I agree. It will likely end up a trailer queen or maybe in a museum. I learned about the D-501 when Lee had his on loan to Don Garlit's museum of drag racing.


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When I lived in Seattle, I had a number of friends who built drag cars
that they used as drivers. They had a singular mindset that if it is a car,
it had to be built balls-out to go fast. They were constantly trying to get
me to build my cars the same way. Can you imagine trying to make a
58 Fireflite convertible competitively fast ? What a joke.

I had the chance to drive some of their cars, and oh yeah ... they would
scoot right along. But they were about as comfortable to drive as a phone
booth, crossed with some gym equipment. Any fun of going fast was quickly
lost in the drudge of running errands, parking lots, and around town traffic.

I suspect a car like this D501 would be a similar amount of work and
drudge to drive as a regular car. Going fast loses its excitement quickly,
and then all you are left with is a strenuous driving experience in a car
you are worried about breaking or wearing out. A wonderful and unique
piece of period history, but probably not the most practical or fun car from
the period to drive.
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tberd62
Posted 2017-11-03 7:58 PM (#551564 - in reply to #551452)
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I agree Doc. I restored a 1957 Mercury M355, the equivalent of a Dodge D501. It was not fun to drive and soon sold it off even though it was a rare as hens teeth. I'll keep my 57 Fireflight 4Dr Ht and cruise in that all day long.
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2018-10-24 9:09 PM (#572311 - in reply to #551452)
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-10-24 9:13 PM (#572312 - in reply to #572311)
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Mike McCandless - 2018-10-24 9:09 PM

Just took deliver of this today


Should have known. Congratulations.

Naturally, we need lots and lots of cool photos to drool over.

Please

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Posted 2018-10-24 9:21 PM (#572313 - in reply to #551452)
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I agree. I would like some motor shots & suspension shots. Should probably start a new thread though. Congratulations! That's a great addition.
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2018-10-24 9:48 PM (#572314 - in reply to #551452)
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I won't have it out to the house for awhile, but when I do, plenty of shots will follow
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Posted 2018-10-24 10:46 PM (#572316 - in reply to #551452)
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Mike, Tuck the D501 in Bed for the night! If it were me I would sleep in it tonight so I could wake up in it and say 'It wasn't a Dream!" Great Score!! It is in good hands for sure!

John
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Swept57
Posted 2018-10-25 7:31 AM (#572338 - in reply to #572311)
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Mike McCandless - 2018-10-24 9:09 PM

Just took deliver of this today :)


Mike, I was hoping you would pick Lee's 501 up for your museum. People will get a chance to see it again! Glad it all worked out.
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Posted 2018-10-25 6:35 PM (#572359 - in reply to #551452)
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Great car and it sounds like it's got a great home.

Should be some neat things in the IBM card. I know this car had some touch-ups in the engine compartment, but was mostly original. If I could be so brazen to make a suggestion... I'd be very careful with cleaning and detailing. Many collectors want perfect, and "authentic" isn't perfect. You don't want to do anything you can't undo. I hope that doesn't come across as arrogant.

Awesome to see the change in focus Mike. Perfectly restored cars are wonderful, but they're glorified versions of what they rarely were. Car's like this are truly special in an entirely different way. I think original (or mostly original) cars carry so much more weight. A collection of both styles of cars really is ideal.

Congrats! Good to see!

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Posted 2018-11-22 4:27 PM (#573993 - in reply to #551490)
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Swept57 - 2017-11-02 9:42 AM
56D500boy - 2017-11-01 2:29 PM
Jdm214 - 2017-11-01 1:30 PM Is anyone interested in making an offer on a 57 Dodge D 501 It has been in several magazines.
Photos? Links to the magazines? We need something. There too many D501 "clones" out there to know a real one from a fake without some evidence/Provenance. Just sayin' :)
There are plenty of Coronets that have 354's slapped in them, but they don't even come close to qualifying as a clone. The only one that I know of that is a pretty good clone is the sedan Louie Poole built. He got a lot of it right and actually used a real D-501 block (out of a convertible), but left it an automatic. BTW, it is Lee Smith's D501 that he is referring too. It has been featured in a number of magazines.

I was re-reading the thread on the D501 that Mike M. bought. And was wondering about the 3 convertibles that were made with the D501 package. If a tribute (clone) car was made with a D501 engine taken from a legit car, what happened to this donor convertible? Was it crushed? Did it survive with another motor? And the other two D501 convertibles of the 3 that were produced are they known to survive also?  Just wondering if others knew about the whereabouts of them. Swept57 stated that he knew of 8 surviving D501's and three of them were the converts. Albeit one of the converts does not have its original engine anymore. who has these converts and is there any pictures of them? With the X frame underneath them, they would be a bit stouter than the ladder frame sedans and HTs. Surprised that all of the D501's were not built with the convertible frames. 

I sure would like to see one of the convertibles versions if it is in a public museum or in private hands at some point. Naturally, I would love to own one of the D501 convertibles but might have to do a Tribute version on my CRL convert to get the same effect.

 

John



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Mike McCandless
Posted 2018-11-22 7:34 PM (#573998 - in reply to #551452)
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There was a 501 vert that sold about a year ago, went for 70k
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2018-11-22 7:36 PM (#573999 - in reply to #551452)
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Posted 2018-11-22 8:52 PM (#574000 - in reply to #573998)
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Mike McCandless - 2018-11-22 6:34 PM There was a 501 vert that sold about a year ago, went for 70k

Thanks, Mike! I happen to have this same picture in my Library of 57 Dodges (with fender skirts) I keep on my computer and never knew it was a D501. The 2017 Price is reasonable for one of 3 car D501 convertible made. Probably near if not over $100K now if that car would go up for sale again. Good investment I would say. The provenance of your D501 car speaks for itself! Can't wait to visit our museum someday to see it in person and your other cars too!

I have to be ready when another one pops up for sale, better warn the wife!! But until then I will build a tribute car that I can drive since I already have a 56 300B 354 Hemi Block and heads I will build up this winter. Now I have to find a 57 Imperial parts car for the axle, Suspension, and wheel (5  on 5" lug pattern) uniqueness for a D501 to be at least close to what your original one is. But I will keep mine an Automatic transmission version as my shifting days are behind me I think...  

John

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56D500boy
Posted 2018-11-22 9:16 PM (#574002 - in reply to #573999)
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Not wanting to open up another round of discussion *BUT* the engine in that 57 Dodge convertible *IS* sporting the 1733 477 2 x 4bbl intake manifold associated with the 57-58 Chrysler letter cars, i.e. 354 or 392, further implying D501, as discussed in this thread:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67664&...







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Posted 2018-11-22 10:38 PM (#574004 - in reply to #574000)
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1959 Belvedere Conv - 2018-11-22 8:52 PM

Mike McCandless - 2018-11-22 6:34 PM There was a 501 vert that sold about a year ago, went for 70k

Thanks, Mike! I happen to have this same picture in my Library of 57 Dodges (with fender skirts) I keep on my computer and never knew it was a D501. The 2017 Price is reasonable for one of 3 car D501 convertible made. Probably near if not over $100K now if that car would go up for sale again. Good investment I would say. The provenance of your D501 car speaks for itself! Can't wait to visit our museum someday to see it in person and your other cars too!

I have to be ready when another one pops up for sale, better warn the wife!! But until then I will build a tribute car that I can drive since I already have a 56 300B 354 Hemi Block and heads I will build up this winter. Now I have to find a 57 Imperial parts car for the axle, Suspension, and wheel (5  on 5" lug pattern) uniqueness for a D501 to be at least close to what your original one is. But I will keep mine an Automatic transmission version as my shifting days are behind me I think...  

John



An Imperial will yield a bunch of parts but the axle won't fit a Dodge. You better talk to Wayne.

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Posted 2018-11-23 7:02 AM (#574013 - in reply to #551452)
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https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1957-DODGE-CORO...

This one comes up in January. It was offered to me months ago at an outrageous price. I was shocked to see it in a no reserve auction, given the previous asking price. When I see things like that, I tend to believe there will be a shill bidder in the crowd. I think I have a good idea of what this is worth and it's not anywhere near the price they were asking, but you never know. These cars are really unique, but I'm not sure they're desirable unless they have specific racing history.
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Posted 2018-11-23 8:03 AM (#574015 - in reply to #551452)
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As I recall, that convertible had an amateur restoration done. The auction description is wrong as there were 23 convertibles built with three know to remain, and possibly a 4th.
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Posted 2018-11-23 12:59 PM (#574022 - in reply to #574013)
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I am just going to drop these two pages from the 1957 AMA Dodge D500 questionnaire (which included the D-501 as a separate entity) and then run away and hide



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Posted 2018-11-23 1:38 PM (#574024 - in reply to #574015)
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Swept57 - 2018-11-23 7:03 AM As I recall, that convertible had an amateur restoration done. The auction description is wrong as there were 23 convertibles built with three know to remain, and possibly a 4th.

Excellent! Thanks, David! 23 made but only 3 known at this date that has survived. Much better than only 3 were made. Good information!

 

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Posted 2018-11-23 3:30 PM (#574029 - in reply to #551452)
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<p>The service manual for the 57 Imperial lists the rear tread width of their axle to be 60.35" and the above AMA questionnaire says the D501 rear tread width to be 61.7'...Pretty darn close to just use a 57 imperial 8 3/4" axle set up width especially for a tribute car. Probably would have to move the spring perches inward or use a relocation perch set up. But do-able... I will check with Wayne regardless of the use of the Imperial parts on the 57 Dodge and what he would suggest to do.</p><p>All good information! Chrysler may have used special axle width tubes with the Imperial thickness of the half shafts with 5 x 5" Lug spacing drums for the D501 builds John.</p>

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I am just going to drop these two pages from the 1957 AMA Dodge D500 questionnaire (which included the D-501 as a separate entity) and then run away and hide



Hide? Those pages have been posted several times. Nothing controversial.
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Posted 2018-11-23 10:46 PM (#574043 - in reply to #574029)
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The service manual for the 57 Imperial lists the rear tread width of their axle to be 60.35" and the above AMA questionnaire says the D501 rear tread width to be 61.7'...Pretty darn close to just use a 57 imperial 8 3/4" axle set up width especially for a tribute car. Probably would have to move the spring perches inward or use a relocation perch set up. But do-able... I will check with Wayne regardless of the use of the Imperial parts on the 57 Dodge and what he would suggest to do.

All good information! Chrysler may have used special axle width tubes with the Imperial thickness of the half shafts with 5 x 5" Lug spacing drums for the D501 builds John.



John,
Years ago, Neil and I were trying to find an available/possible existing rear axle parts source for Dodge to reach into the parts bins to build these few, 100 or so 501s. I mentioned this to Wayne at that time.

As I recall:

He had done research to determine the same thing for the Road America 300Cs and I believe it led him to 56 Chrysler Town and Country wagons. Anyway, check with him.
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Posted 2018-11-23 11:41 PM (#574046 - in reply to #574043)
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It may be a good spot to outline the differences/similarities between the 57 Imperial versus generic Chrysler and D501 rear axle assemblies. As I remember:

All use the 5 X 9/16" studs on a 5" bolt circle hubs and wheels but that is where the interchange ends.
The Imp axle shafts are a larger diameter than Chry so they and drums and brake backing plates don't interchange. The Imp brake backing plates also have a larger mounting bolt pattern so there is another difference.

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Posted 2018-11-23 11:52 PM (#574047 - in reply to #574046)
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I should have said ------ versus Road America Chrysler ----- not generic Chrysler.
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Posted 2018-11-23 11:59 PM (#574049 - in reply to #574043)
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1959 Belvedere Conv - 2018-11-23 3:30 PM

The service manual for the 57 Imperial lists the rear tread width of their axle to be 60.35" and the above AMA questionnaire says the D501 rear tread width to be 61.7'...Pretty darn close to just use a 57 imperial 8 3/4" axle set up width especially for a tribute car. Probably would have to move the spring perches inward or use a relocation perch set up. But do-able... I will check with Wayne regardless of the use of the Imperial parts on the 57 Dodge and what he would suggest to do.

All good information! Chrysler may have used special axle width tubes with the Imperial thickness of the half shafts with 5 x 5" Lug spacing drums for the D501 builds John.

John, Years ago, Neil and I were trying to find an available/possible existing rear axle parts source for Dodge to reach into the parts bins to build these few, 100 or so 501s. I mentioned this to Wayne at that time. As I recall: He had done research to determine the same thing for the Road America 300Cs and I believe it led him to 56 Chrysler Town and Country wagons. Anyway, check with him. Greg

Will do Greg! I did not even think about other years of axles to use. I don't think I have a 56 Chrysler Manual but I will just inquire with Wayne on what he found out. No need for me to do what has already been done before me in answering questions.

John

 

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Posted 2018-11-24 9:43 AM (#574060 - in reply to #551452)
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Greg, are you saying that the '56 Chrysler T&C wagons use the Imperial bolt pattern?
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Powerflite - 2018-11-24 9:43 AM

Greg, are you saying that the '56 Chrysler T&C wagons use the Imperial bolt pattern?


Nathan, I remember discussion about it. That's all.

Greg
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Posted 2018-11-24 11:27 AM (#574066 - in reply to #574060)
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Powerflite - 2018-11-24 9:43 AM
Greg, are you saying that the '56 Chrysler T&C wagons use the Imperial bolt pattern?


A 1955 Imperial was a C69. A 1955 Crown Imperial was a C70.

A 1956 Imperial was a C73. A 1956 Crown Imperial was a C70 (same as 55).

Based on info at this website:

http://www.carnut.com/specs/gen/chry50.html

Only the C70 (Crown Imperial) had the 5 x 5.5 bolt pattern

I don't see any crosses to exactly C70 Crown Imperials and Chrysler Estate Wagons, either in the wheels or rear brake drum and hubs.





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Posted 2018-11-24 12:29 PM (#574069 - in reply to #574066)
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As I read it, 15X6.50 wheels, 1533 281 fit C70 as well as Est Wgns. Of course the rear brake drums won't interchange.

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Posted 2018-11-24 2:11 PM (#574071 - in reply to #574069)
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LD3 Greg - 2018-11-24 12:29 PM

As I read it, 15X6.50 wheels, 1533 281 fit C70 as well as Est Wgns. Of course the rear brake drums won't interchange.

Greg


Agree that regarding the 15 x 6.50 wire wheels, it seems to say that. However, *IF* we agree that:

A 1955 Imperial was a C69, a 1955 Crown Imperial was a C70 and a 1956 Imperial was a C73 and A 1956 Crown Imperial was a C70 (same as 55) and *ONLY* the C70 Crown Imperials had the 5 x 5.5 wheels and hubs

*THEN* we need to look at the front and rear hubs that hold the studs. On that basis, this rear hub info seems to say that the 56 Estate wagons did NOT (normally) have the 5 x 5.5. hubs because they are not included in the C70 hub 1633 058 PN listing but are included in a non-C70 1633 049 listing. That is what I see. I might be blind.

That info doesn't make it right. Just what was printed in a part manual at some point and somebody *ELSE* will have to come up with better, more compelling, evidence if it is wrong.



What the normal 56 Imperial Crown Wheels looked like (more info under the photo):





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Posted 2018-11-24 3:34 PM (#574075 - in reply to #551452)
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<p>Having worked for Chrysler in the 70's and 80's, I think they would have sent a truck down from Dodge Main (Hamtramck) cross town to the Jefferson Ave. Assembly where the Imperials were built and grabbed the needed axles for the D501. As these were late in the 57 model year builds there would have not been any 56 axles laying around to grab up for this build unless they were the same width as current needs for a particular model at that plant.</p><p>I worked in my College years 1975-78 in the Stamping, Mound Road Engine and Assembly (Lynch Road, Plymouth assembly) there was always inter-plant deliveries made to keep production moving forward. I made stamping deliveries my self to different plants as a "Must Have" needs. After graduation, I became a District Sales Mgr. For Chrysler out here in Colorado.  Possibly this might have happened. Just my two cents worth.</p>

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Posted 2018-11-24 4:05 PM (#574076 - in reply to #574075)
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1959 Belvedere Conv - 2018-11-24 3:34 PM

Having worked for Chrysler in the 70's and 80's, I think they would have sent a truck down from Dodge Main (Hamtramck) cross town to the Jefferson Ave. Assembly where the Imperials were built and grabbed the needed axles for the D501. As these were late in the 57 model year builds there would have not been any 56 axles laying around to grab up for this build unless they were the same width as current needs for a particular model at that plant.

I worked in my College years 1975-78 in the Stamping, Mound Road Engine and Assembly (Lynch Road, Plymouth assembly) there was always inter-plant deliveries made to keep production moving forward. I made stamping deliveries my self to different plants as a "Must Have" needs. After graduation, I became a District Sales Mgr. For Chrysler out here in Colorado.  Possibly this might have happened. Just my two cents worth.



I don't doubt what you are saying but it is really easy to tell the difference between Chrysler and Imperial rear brake drums. The size of the axle taper is visible. Swept57, David, and other owners could tell us.

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Posted 2018-11-24 7:55 PM (#574080 - in reply to #574071)
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And it continues:

"Original 1950 to 1956 Imperial wheel rim. This is a 15 inch wheel. This has the larger 5 1/2 inch bolt circle which was used on the Imperial and the Chrysler station wagons. Measure yours before bidding. If you have a regular Chrysler car and need a wheel with a 4 1/2 inch bolt circle, I can make a listing for you. This rim is in good condition with light surface rust that will clean up well. This is dirty from sitting in storage, but is a good straight wheel free of any defects. I am pretty picky about which wheels are listed and which don't make the cut. "

https://picclick.com/1950-51-52-53-54-1955-1956-Chrysler-27250162892...

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Posted 2018-11-26 12:07 AM (#574122 - in reply to #574080)
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I see that either the forum isn't wanting to consistently link out to other photo sources or those sources have died. In any event, here are the photos of the C70 Crown Imperial 5 x 5.5" wheel that I was trying to reference yesterday:



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Posted 2018-11-26 12:14 AM (#574123 - in reply to #551452)
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All links will eventually die; some sooner than later. It's always best to upload the pictures so they will be kept with the forum.
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Posted 2018-11-26 12:21 AM (#574125 - in reply to #574122)
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Apologies to those who have been following this thread and specifically to those trying unsuccessfully to convince me that the 56 Chrysler Estate wagons had the 5 x 5.5" wheels that were used on the C70 55 and 56 Crown Imperials. I was basing my reluctance to believe that on the fact that the C70 rear hubs with the 5 x 5.5" studs were unique and not shared with any other Chryslers, e.g. the estate wagons.

VERRRYY SLOWWWLLY I have come to realize that the reason for that is the C70 Rear Axels were different, e.g. longer, than anything else. I have now read the the taper at the end of the C70 Crown Imperial axle shaft was also different than the other Chryslers. I see the unique part number for the C70 rear axels and, therefore, I understand why the C70 rear hub would unique as well. That does NOT mean that the wheels were unique to the C70 Crown Imperials.

Sorry that it took me so long to get there.








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