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Posted 2019-02-14 10:59 AM (#578203 - in reply to #550858)
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Posted 2019-02-14 5:14 PM (#578215 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: So. Cal		Thanks for the info Sven! It's great to be able to translate the card info.

Mike, maybe John has a dash, but swapping it out would be a pain since I am not planning to restore the whole thing very soon. So the plan is to just pull the windshield and drill the holes so I can install the A/C stuff and replace the dash pad. I'm trying to limit how many cars I have torn apart at the same time.

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Posted 2019-02-15 2:38 AM (#578233 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island		No problems Nathan, happy to be able to help you out.

Just for your information, if you are going ahead and install the oem A/C, there's a lot more work than just the snorkels - you need also to modify the cowl and for to get access, the engine needs to be removed.

Arland here on the forum has gone through the oem A/C installation and all is documented in his thread - let's hope he sees this and kick in with some info.

To remove the dashboard isn't a difficult task, just a lot of work. If you have a good front window and rubber seal, it's best to remove the dashboard.

By the way, you have a 61' standard front window in your car - the 60' should have a compound front window for all models. In 61', the compound window was only used in convertibles.
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Posted 2019-02-15 2:07 PM (#578250 - in reply to #550858)
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Posted 2019-04-01 12:02 PM (#580247 - in reply to #550858)
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Posted 2019-04-01 12:47 PM (#580253 - in reply to #550858)
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Posted 2019-04-01 2:11 PM (#580255 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: So. Cal		I know, it's killing me that I can't seem to get it done. I haven't found anyone that can put decent sized beads into the sheetmetal yet. I need to replace the small flat section in my replacement panel, and I just can't find anyone with the right equipment to make it. I am very close to purchasing a bead roller for myself and shoving it into my tiny garage somewhere....
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Posted 2019-04-01 3:39 PM (#580259 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island		If you have some tools for wood work, then you could mill down the right profile in a thick oak plank and hammer out the beads - much work, but doable.

Heres the work of Jupe in FinLand http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/photos/photo-thumbnails.asp?album...

A Pullmax would be the best for to make the beads.
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Posted 2019-04-01 6:08 PM (#580264 - in reply to #550858)
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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-08-22 8:47 PM (#602421 - in reply to #578203)
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wizard - 2019-02-14 7:59 AM

Yes Mike, the New Yorker fabric was named Congo, even though the pattern looks like snow flakes


That is a great document, what else is in it?
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Suddenlyits1960!
Posted 2020-08-22 10:03 PM (#602422 - in reply to #550986)
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Yes the cables and extra springs give it away.
The automatic swiveling seat are super rare. How many has anyone ever seen?
It was discontinued early in 1960. That and the other options on the car make it pretty special.


I’m curious as to why they seats where discontinued so quickly? I’m assuming they were prone to failure? I’ve only ever seen one with functioning automatic swivels at MoPar spring fling many years ago.
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Posted 2020-08-23 9:17 PM (#602445 - in reply to #602422)
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sonaramic300 - 2017-10-24 9:45 PM

Yes the cables and extra springs give it away.
The automatic swiveling seat are super rare. How many has anyone ever seen?
It was discontinued early in 1960. That and the other options on the car make it pretty special.


I’m curious as to why they seats where discontinued so quickly? I’m assuming they were prone to failure? I’ve only ever seen one with functioning automatic swivels at MoPar spring fling many years ago.


Could be that they were prone to failure, also most people probably didn't want to be forced to use them. I only swivel the seats in my 300F to show them off, they don't make it easier for me to get in and out of the car. They were really marketed toward women that wore those tight pencil skirts back then.
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Posted 2020-08-23 9:46 PM (#602447 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: So. Cal		I heard that it was a safety concern. If a door came open during an accident, they didn't want to be liable for someone getting swiveled out of their seat.
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Posted 2020-08-23 10:19 PM (#602448 - in reply to #550858)
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Posted 2020-08-24 1:53 PM (#602479 - in reply to #602445)
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sonaramic300 - 2017-10-24 9:45 PM

Yes the cables and extra springs give it away.
The automatic swiveling seat are super rare. How many has anyone ever seen?
It was discontinued early in 1960. That and the other options on the car make it pretty special.


I’m curious as to why they seats where discontinued so quickly? I’m assuming they were prone to failure? I’ve only ever seen one with functioning automatic swivels at MoPar spring fling many years ago.


Could be that they were prone to failure, also most people probably didn't want to be forced to use them. I only swivel the seats in my 300F to show them off, they don't make it easier for me to get in and out of the car. They were really marketed toward women that wore those tight pencil skirts back then.


I’ve always felt the swivel seats were mostly a gimmick too. Still,I really admire the level of creativity and imagination put into developing all these automatic “world of tomorrow” Conveniences. Think of the time and money spent developing things like this and that futuristic ideas were taken seriously and not just dismissed in the name of saving a buck.
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Posted 2020-08-24 3:31 PM (#602484 - in reply to #550858)
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I think in 1960 all the swivel seats were the automatic type. At least the press kit and sales literature does not mention manual swivel seats.
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Posted 2020-08-24 4:00 PM (#602486 - in reply to #602484)
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These things weren't just a gimmick. Old people really appreciated the swivel seats and pencil skirts were the fad during that time, so girls liked them too
I think in 1960 all the swivel seats were the automatic type. At least the press kit and sales literature does not mention manual swivel seats.


They started out automatic for 1960 models but seem to have dropped that feature early on. In fact, I don't even think any 300Fs were made with the automatic seats. The 300F was introduced in January of 1960 and the brochure and press kit do not mention the automatic part of swivel seats. The media materials probably were done in late 1959 so they already knew they weren't going to be in there.



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Posted 2020-08-24 5:41 PM (#602489 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: northern germany		IIRC the automatic swivels seats could be detached and then stayed in place when the door was opened and I'v seen a F with automatics, could be retrofitted ones of course.
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Posted 2020-08-24 6:47 PM (#602495 - in reply to #602486)
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1960fury - 2020-08-24 12:31 PM

These things weren't just a gimmick. Old people really appreciated the swivel seats and pencil skirts were the fad during that time, so girls liked them too
I think in 1960 all the swivel seats were the automatic type. At least the press kit and sales literature does not mention manual swivel seats.


They started out automatic for 1960 models but seem to have dropped that feature early on. In fact, I don't even think any 300Fs were made with the automatic seats. The 300F was introduced in January of 1960 and the brochure and press kit do not mention the automatic part of swivel seats. The media materials probably were done in late 1959 so they already knew they weren't going to be in there.



So they started in 1959 with manual swivels,they they went automatic for the early 60’s,the back to manual for the rest of 1960,then dropped them in 1961?
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Posted 2020-08-24 6:53 PM (#602496 - in reply to #602484)
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These things weren't just a gimmick. Old people really appreciated the swivel seats and pencil skirts were the fad during that time, so girls liked them too
I think in 1960 all the swivel seats were the automatic type. At least the press kit and sales literature does not mention manual swivel seats.


I’ve never been lucky enough to have a car with them to test them out personally. I can see them being handy for the ladies back then,and for older folks. I know I have a couple ads from 1959 showing women getting in and out of the cars with swivel seats. I think it’s a neat feature
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Posted 2020-08-24 6:57 PM (#602497 - in reply to #602496)
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Location: California		I was searching old threads on the subject and found this post by a member named “sonoramic60”

“I have also been told that the automatic feature on the '60 models was retrofitted with manual controls after the wife of a Chrysler Corp. bigwig was ejected from her seat (or subjected to some undue embarassment or both) when the door on her side was suddenly opened by a doorman. I never did see one of the fully automatic models in real life, so I suppose if some slipped past recall and are still in existance, they are rare indeed.”
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Posted 2020-08-24 11:14 PM (#602506 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: So. Cal		It makes me wonder how rare this really is. For those interested, this is what the system looks like in more detail. The torsion bar consists of 6 different plates sandwiched together to create the torsion action. That tells me they needed the pull from 6x one plate and couldn't live with the reliability of only having one of them. At least it seems plausible. The cable for the seat is connected to the bottom side of the lower door hinge. I've drawn a green line between the broken links in the picture to point them out better. It would be cool to replace these cable so I can witness how it was supposed to work as it was originally designed.



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Posted 2020-08-24 11:58 PM (#602508 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: Ramona, CA		I asked Ian when his Saratoga was built and it was the end of October 1959. Would be interesting to see what the latest car someone has that had the automatic ones. I would think since they were pushing the swivel seats so much that quite a few cars had them in the beginning.

I can also see the vacuum tubes for your power lock in that door. My '60 wagon has them and I'll be curious to see if I can get them to work. The door wires and hoses are cut off on my right front door for some reason. Another thing I want to test out is a feature unique to the 3-seat wagons with power locks. Supposedly when you lock the doors with the power locks, it disables the switch for the rear window in the headliner above it. It only disables the down motion, not the up motion. I guess to keep the kiddies from falling out the back.



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Posted 2020-08-25 12:07 AM (#602509 - in reply to #602508)
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		Yes, my car built Oct 29,1959 had the automatic swivels. WHen I bought the car the cables were broken. I eventually pulled out the torsion bars, related brackets, and the return springs under the back of each seat and sold them to a guy who wanted them for a 1960 Phoenix convertible. I then refinished the front of the door jambs once those pieces were removed.



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Posted 2020-08-25 12:11 AM (#602510 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: Ramona, CA		Was there some accommodation for someone opening the door with someone in the seat who didn't want to swivel? If not I could see the cables getting broken if someone opened the car against the will of the occupant to comply.
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Posted 2020-08-25 12:28 AM (#602511 - in reply to #602510)
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Was there some accommodation for someone opening the door with someone in the seat who didn't want to swivel? If not I could see the cables getting broken if someone opened the car against the will of the occupant to comply.


I'[m fairly sure you could keep it from swinging out but not positive how that was done.
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Posted 2020-08-25 12:52 AM (#602512 - in reply to #602511)
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Location: California		“PowerFlite” thanks for sharing the photos of the torsion bar and hinge mechanism,interesting to see how they made it work
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Posted 2020-08-25 1:19 AM (#602513 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: So. Cal		Sure, no problem. My car wasn't that early of a production. It was built on January 20th, 1960 in Los Angeles and sold in Salem, Oregon. So apparently they were at least available as an option through that time with code 473. It may not have been a popular option even when it was available. You have a good eye, Nick. Those vacuum tubes are indeed for the door locks. I've never bothered to try them out yet to see if they work. I guess I should at some point.
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Posted 2020-08-25 2:25 AM (#602516 - in reply to #602513)
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Sure, no problem. My car wasn't that early of a production. It was built on January 20th, 1960 in Los Angeles and sold in Salem, Oregon. So apparently they were at least available as an option through that time with code 473. It may not have been a popular option even when it was available. You have a good eye, Nick. Those vacuum tubes are indeed for the door locks. I've never bothered to try them out yet to see if they work. I guess I should at some point.


Thanks for posting your production date. That's past when 300Fs were introduced. I should have looked on the order form. I assumed that the automatic swiveling seats were the standard issue as that's how they were promoted but looking at the order form published in July 1959, they were listed separate from standard swivel seats. But not available on 300F.







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Posted 2020-08-25 8:08 AM (#602522 - in reply to #602513)
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Sure, no problem. My car wasn't that early of a production. It was built on January 20th, 1960 in Los Angeles and sold in Salem, Oregon. So apparently they were at least available as an option through that time with code 473. It may not have been a popular option even when it was available. You have a good eye, Nick. Those vacuum tubes are indeed for the door locks. I've never bothered to try them out yet to see if they work. I guess I should at some point.


Thanks for the pictures and for posting the build date, as this what I have guessed. I'm a "60 guy" for 40 years and I never heard about that
they switched to manual swivels in 60.
If I had one of these, nobody could stop me from fixing it up and making it work as it was supposed, as it's all mechanical ist wouldn't be a big deal.
As with most things, the lack of maintanance is what killed the system.

Funny, the only time I have seen these work correctly (NOT as shown on YT by their owners) was in a non car related clip on German TV at nighttime,
about 25 years ago, that featured scarcely dressed, undressing girls that I purely accidentally saw while switching thru the channels
Of course the featured FL Mopar (it was filmed in Europe) forced me to watch the whole show

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Posted 2020-08-25 9:33 AM (#602533 - in reply to #602516)
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Location: California		Interesting.Any idea why these weren’t available as an option on the 300f?
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Posted 2020-08-25 9:42 AM (#602534 - in reply to #602533)
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Location: California		Here’s a video of a beautiful 1960 Fury with automatic swivel seats. I really love the color combo is this car. This would be the exact 1960 Fury I would choose if I saw it in the showroom. Only way it could be better is if it had factory air!

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Posted 2020-08-25 9:52 AM (#602535 - in reply to #602534)
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Location: California		Here’s a short video of a 1960 Imperial with functioning automatic swivel seats. They swing out automatically when you open the door.

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Posted 2020-08-25 10:29 AM (#602538 - in reply to #602535)
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Here’s a short video of a 1960 Imperial with functioning automatic swivel seats. They swing out automatically when you open the door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oniyM2aCO70


This is what i mean. That is not the way they are supposed to work. They should start the swivel action smoothly, simultaneously as soon as you open the door.
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Posted 2020-08-25 10:36 AM (#602539 - in reply to #602533)
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Suddenlyits1960! - 2020-08-25 6:33 AM

Interesting.Any idea why these weren’t available as an option on the 300f?


It could have been because of the way the console mounts right where those cables are going. Plus the 300F has aluminum floor mat screwed to the floor on the driver side. The swivel seat frame is basically the same as other cars, it just passes through the console instead of having the center seat/armrest.
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Posted 2020-08-25 10:42 AM (#602540 - in reply to #602538)
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Here’s a short video of a 1960 Imperial with functioning automatic swivel seats. They swing out automatically when you open the door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oniyM2aCO70


This is what i mean. That is not the way they are supposed to work. They should start the swivel action smoothly, simultaneously as soon as you open the door.


In the Ross Roy page I posted earlier, it says they don't unlatch until the door is opened half way. It also does mention that the passenger can override the function by shifting their body to relatch the seat.
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Posted 2020-08-25 4:22 PM (#602571 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: northern germany		This is how I remember seeing it, at least it isn't supposed to suddenly jump out like that, but maybe I'm wrong and something in the vid I mentioned distracted me Yes, as I posted earlier, the swivel action can be turned off completely, but I didn't know how.

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Posted 2020-08-31 7:54 AM (#602751 - in reply to #550858)
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We have an elderly relative in a wheelchair and those swivel seat make it possible to take her for car rides. Makes the transfer very easy. She loves it!
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Posted 2020-11-25 2:08 PM (#606032 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: So. Cal		A big thank you goes out to Nick for pointing me to these hubcaps for sale on Ebay. I will swap the little spinners from my Imperial caps over to these and eliminate the Imperial name from my caps.
I still need 2 more, so if you see any more, let me know.

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Posted 2022-08-29 6:13 PM (#623906 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: So. Cal		I managed to pick up 3 more of these Newport caps (I believe these were used on fleet cars that require 15" wheels) so I now have a full set for the car. Some of them have small dents that need to be worked out, but they're not bad.



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Posted 2022-08-29 6:18 PM (#623907 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: Ramona, CA		What are you going to do with your Imperial caps? I've since bought a 1960 Imperial and a couple of mine are dinged up. I ended up putting 1959 Imperial wheel covers on my wagon.





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Posted 2022-08-29 6:29 PM (#623908 - in reply to #550915)
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Powerflite - 2017-10-23 9:06 PM

That's really pretty. Very tempting. I love the seat fabric in these cars too. I can't imagine having one with plain vinyl.


The vinyl interiors are very plain. That's what my wagon has and it looks like it's out of a taxi cab on an otherwise luxurious car. Same seats that they used in the Windsor with vinyl. At least the door panels are good looking. I can't afford to change over to the cloth interior. I assume the original owner ordered the vinyl over the cloth because he was carrying two kids cross country every summer. His previous car was a '54 Imperial, which had a lavish interior in cloth and leather.
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Posted 2022-08-29 8:03 PM (#623911 - in reply to #550858)
Subject: Re: 1960 New Yorker Coupe



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Location: So. Cal		Yeah, kids don't mix well with delicate & expensive fabrics. I am going to remove the spinners on the caps and transfer them over to the Newport caps. Then I won't need the Imperial versions. However, I had to modify the mounts on the back in order to get them to work with the new style wheels so I am not sure if you would like them or not. My modifications are not reversible, and probably not compatible with original wheels.
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Posted 2022-08-29 8:08 PM (#623912 - in reply to #623911)
Subject: Re: 1960 New Yorker Coupe



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Powerflite - 2022-08-29 5:03 PM

Yeah, kids don't mix well with delicate & expensive fabrics. I am going to remove the spinners on the caps and transfer them over to the Newport caps. Then I won't need the Imperial versions. However, I had to modify the mounts on the back in order to get them to work with the new style wheels so I am not sure if you would like them or not. My modifications are not reversible, and probably not compatible with original wheels.


Oh ok. There are lots of them available on ebay and not too expensive. The plain ones seem to be few and far between.
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Posted 2023-05-16 10:12 PM (#629602 - in reply to #550858)
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Location: So. Cal		Yeah, the plain covers are pretty rare. I figured out the part number for these Newport caps. It is 2260160 and was used on '62-'63 Newport & Dodge 880 Police, Taxi, Ambulance etc that required using a 15" wheel. Though some people have posted that this cover was available to police up to at least 1965, but I can't find it in the catalogs. It's odd that they didn't use them in 1960-'61.

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Posted 2023-05-17 1:50 PM (#629619 - in reply to #550858)
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Oh, LA-built car data plate!!!

13 – 473 – Automatic Swivel Seats
39 – 309 – Custom Group
S8 – 308 – Power Door Locks
X3 – 303 – Power Seat 6-Way

Here the link where car has X3 code on the data plate and equipped with Power Seat only

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=37672&...

All the rest codes you know already…

Looks like the Mirrormatic 387 and Solex Glass 441 (!) are not stamp on the LA data plate

Torqueflite, PS, PB and Power Windows (!) are standard on the 1960 New Yorkers!



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