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Powerflite

Posted 2017-07-11 5:10 PM (#543974)
Subject: Dash Pad Dye

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I need to dye my new black dash pad a brown color to put into my New Yorker. I was planning on using this "Classic Coat" from SEM in a Medium Dark Pewter color. Is this the best approach to doing this? Is this stuff better than the "Color Coat" from the same company? I don't want to find out the hard way on my expensive dash pad that it doesn't work well. Any advice? I was going to order a new one from RD Autoline that is colored by them, but they aren't building any more 'till the fall.

P.S. Isn't it wonderful that the color pad in the picture doesn't match the cap color? I need something in between them so maybe it is right?

Edited by Powerflite 2017-07-11 5:13 PM

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Posted 2017-07-11 5:16 PM (#543975 - in reply to #543974)
Subject: RE: Dash Pad Dye

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SEM makes product for rigid plastics and flexible plastics and leather. You want the one for flexible (in my opinion).

Colour chart:

Powerflite

Posted 2017-07-11 5:28 PM (#543976 - in reply to #543975)
Subject: RE: Dash Pad Dye

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I believe the Color Coat is for rigid plastics and the Classic Coat is for leather and Vinyl. From the colors on their chart, it looks like the Classic Coat Taupe color is closer to what I need. It is hard to tell sometimes from the internet pictures.

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Posted 2017-07-11 7:23 PM (#543982 - in reply to #543974)
Subject: Re: Dash Pad Dye

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Since you want to go from a dark color to a lighter color (and not the other way around), I suggest that you add a couple of steps to aid in the adhesion and provide a basis for a uniform color.
1. Make sure your surface is clean, free of fingerprints, grime, etc. Wipe it clean with strong alcohol on vinyl/leather. Leave dry.
2. Spray on a sealer and leave dry. SEM should have one, if not, use their clear coat flat. This layer will float your color evenly if you spray it on evenly.
3. Use an adhesion enhancer by SEM for soft, not hard plastic. This will aid in the color not peeling as bad down the road. It will eventually peel in a hot car, they all do in a few years.
4. Spray your color. Don't spray any more than you need to get the color desired. Worry about your gloss later by using a SEM clear coat of your choice.

I highly recommend you initially try this on black plastic sheeting first so you see if you get the desired result. Your brown will always appear darker than the can since you are directly painting over black. You may need to a "primer" to adjust your color.

Yes, I have done it and won at Carlisle with my truck years back. If you need to start over, use floor wax stripper and start from the beginning of the process. You cannot repair in the middle of things.

It is more difficult to go from dark to light color than from light to dark color.

Patience is the key to drying between steps and in painting.

rebel

Posted 2017-07-12 1:57 PM (#544037 - in reply to #543982)
Subject: Re: Dash Pad Dye

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Nathan,
When I did my dash on the 58 N/Y'er I had to have a color custom matched to the original green dash color. I used SEM Color Coat as was recommended by Tony at RD Autoline. If there is a full line SEM supplier in your area, they should be able to identically match your old dashpad. I took a piece of the old dashpad that was under the windshield trim for them to match. I also performed the steps that SEM, and the paint store, recommended.
1) Clean the dashpad with SEM PREP, SEM soap #39362. Scrub with the soap until the surface is dull. Wipe with damp cloth, rinsing frequently, until all soap residue is removed. Do this at least 4 times. (my experience) If you have hard water, use distilled water for the final wipe down.
2) Use PREP, Vinyl Prep #38343. Spray on Vinyl Prep and wipe off with a lint free damp cloth. Wipe in one direction only. This will eliminate cross streaks. You may need to do this 2-3 times to get it just right. You will be able to see if it is all one sheen. Again, use distilled water to dampen your lint free cloth.
3) Spray SEM Color coat. First coat should be VERY light. Second should also be light. Third should be a LITTLE heavier. Fourth and final coat should be a medium coat. NOT a heavy coat as it could run around the slopped parts around the gauge cluster and the front of the dashpad.
Let all coats flash about 5-10 minutes. 5 minutes on the first 2 light coats, and 10 minutes on the third coat. Times may vary depending on temperature and humidity. My area has low humidity and the temp was around 75 degrees.
Make sure you are in a dust free area.
Hope this helps.
Bob

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Powerflite

Posted 2017-07-25 7:30 PM (#544848 - in reply to #543974)
Subject: Re: Dash Pad Dye

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Thanks for all the tips! That helps a lot coming from people who have done it before. Bob, your dash pad looks great. What paint did you use on the trim that goes around your dash? I hate to have to get a whole quart for 4 pieces of trim. The paint shop also recommended that I use Color Coat and not Classic Coat. He seemed to suggest that Classic Coat is really only good for leather. I am going to give this a shot soon so I will post how it turns out.

Edited by Powerflite 2017-07-25 7:34 PM

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Posted 2017-07-26 2:52 AM (#544880 - in reply to #543974)
Subject: RE: Dash Pad Dye

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Powerflite - 2017-07-11 10:10 PM
I was going to order a new one from RD Autoline that is colored by them, but they aren't building any more 'till the fall.

Really .... ?

Powerflite

Posted 2017-07-26 10:32 AM (#544898 - in reply to #544880)
Subject: RE: Dash Pad Dye

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That's what they told me.

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Posted 2017-07-28 6:20 PM (#545056 - in reply to #544898)
Subject: RE: Dash Pad Dye

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When I ordered my dash pad they had also told me that they only do 1-2 runs per year. I got my first pad from their stock in Calif. Unfortunately, it was not properly packed and had slid down in the box causing several wrinkles in the vinyl. I tried several things to remove the creases but no luck. I returned it and in several months I got another. It was in great shape.
I've got to say that RD Autoline was great! They took care of the return shipping and was apologetic for the issues. I believe they even refunded a few dollars for my troubles.
Nathan: I used the same paint on the trim pieces by the windshield as the exterior of the car. The only paint store in my area carries PPG so I used Deltron 2000 basecoat and cleared it with PPG Concept clear with DCX 61 hardener. Everything got blasted and then sealed with PPG DP50LF epoxy prior to paint. I'm lucky that the exterior and interior are the same color.
Post pictures of your dash pad when you get it done. I'm sure it will be "stunning"!!
Bob

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