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goat19642004
Posted 2017-05-22 4:26 PM (#540622)
Subject: Help with decoding my 57 Plymouth IBM card



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56D500boy
Posted 2017-05-22 7:01 PM (#540642 - in reply to #540622)
Subject: RE: Help with decoding my 57 Plymouth IBM card



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APA = Black roof, gold saddle, black body. (I think). (Assuming Dodge and Plymouth ran the same paints) OR
APA = Black roof, royal red saddle, black body (using a 58 Plymouth colour chart)



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Chrycoman
Posted 2017-05-25 3:35 AM (#540863 - in reply to #540622)
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1957 Plymouth colours attached.

Through to the mid-1950s Chrysler car divisions shared few colours . But by 1960 Plymouth and Dodge shared almost all colours as did DeSoto and Chrysler/Imperial. Chrysler was in a massive project to eliminate duplication of information - paint, options, codes, etc. The whole thing did not come together until 1966 when Chrysler Canada started building cars for the U.S. - Darts in this case.





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56D500boy
Posted 2017-05-25 10:09 AM (#540878 - in reply to #540863)
Subject: RE: Help with decoding my 57 Plymouth IBM card



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Location: Lower Mainland BC		Thanks Bill. Obviously you had that 57 Plymouth paint card in your electronic files (I couldn't find one via Google).

*THEN* I noticed that the IBM card has a listing of the paints right on it. DUH.

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cooltoys1
Posted 2018-01-27 5:50 PM (#557048 - in reply to #540622)
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Location: Buffalo NY		Where is everyone finding the IBM cards? in the car, stashed somewere?
Please excuse my ignorance, im new here

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56D500boy
Posted 2018-01-27 7:43 PM (#557060 - in reply to #557048)
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cooltoys1 - 2018-01-27 5:50 PM
Where is everyone finding the IBM cards? in the car, stashed somewhere?:


You might find the build sheet (not card) in the car under carpet or above the glove box. The IBM build card is held by Fiat Chrysler America (FCA) Historical services as a microfiche photo. FCA Historical will sell you info about your car including a copy of the IBM card. You need proof of ownership and money (a check). In the end, they won't tell you much but it will be more than you know right now.

http://www.fcanorthamerica.com/company/Heritage/Pages/Build-Records...

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cooltoys1
Posted 2018-01-27 8:00 PM (#557061 - in reply to #540622)
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grant4405
Posted 2018-01-28 8:28 AM (#557088 - in reply to #557060)
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copy of ibm card is free from Chrysler historical but that is all you get. they don't have the staff to decode
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2018-01-28 11:13 PM (#557142 - in reply to #540622)
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goat19642004 - 2017-05-22 4:26 PM

One more please?


I don't know much about Plymouths and I doubt it will be this easy, BUT, does your car have:

Power steering
Power brakes
Power pak (4bbl carb and dual exhaust)
Sportone
Bumper? guards

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2018-01-28 11:34 PM (#557143 - in reply to #557142)
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2018-01-28 11:48 PM (#557144 - in reply to #557143)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		Pretty much answers more questions. Confirms Torqueflite, 7.50 X14 whitewall tires and front and rear buffer guards (whatever they are).

Guess it is this easy!! The last job would be to line these codes up with the card columns and their respective hole punches.

Greg
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Chrycoman
Posted 2018-01-30 11:06 AM (#557208 - in reply to #540622)
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For the IBM card -

The serial number is punched out in columns 2 to 9 :
02 - 2
03 - 2
04 - 4
05 - 4
06 - 2
07 - 7
08 - 9
09 - 1
Your car was built at the assembly plant in Evansville, Indiana. The serial numbers for the V8 models (P31) began at 22,330,001 and ended at 22,450,693 for a total of 120,693.
Serial number 22,442,791 was the 112,791st Plymouth V8 built at Evansville.

Column 10 has all the power equipment -
10- 3 - Torqueflite automatic transmission
10- 8 - Power Steering
10- 9 - Power Brakes

Next group is for Special Equipment Codes -
12
13- 1 - 7:15 x14 - 4-ply Whitewall tires
14
15
16
17
18- 3 - License plate frame, vanity mirror, 2 outside mirrors (dealer installed)
19
20- 3 - V-8 power pak - 4-bbl carb, special manifold, dual exhaust, special air cleaner
21- 6 - Guards - buffer - wing outer - left and right
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32- 1
33
34

Trim -
35- 3
36- 4
37- 3

Dealer Number - FCHS would have thus info
38- 5
39- 5
40- 7
41- 4
42- 8

Area -
43- 0
44- 1

Cannot make out the headings for the next group
45- 3
46- 2
47- 5
48- 0

Order Number -
49- 1
50- 1
51- 1

Order Item -
52- 1
53- 1
Note: Order Number and Item are entered along the top row of the card in reverse order


Body Type -
54- 1 - Plymouth
55- 5
56- 6 - Belvedere V8
57- 6 - 2 door Hardtop

Color -
58- 1 A - Roof Color - Sand Dune White
59- 7 P - Lower Color - Desert Gold Metallic
60- 1 A - Insert Color - Sand Dune White

61- 6 - Cannot make out column heading

62- 0 - Cannot make out column heading
63- 5

Columns 64 to 58 are blank
64-
65-
66-
67-
68-
69-

Shipping Order Number with the 1st four digits for the scheduled build date -
69- 0
70- 8
71- 1
71- 2
Scheduled build date - 0812 - August 12, 1957 (Actual build date was August 14, 1957 and was shipped on August 18, 1957 - as stamped on card)
1957 Plymouth production began on September 4, 1956 and ended in September, 1957.
73- 3
74- 0
75- 5
76- 3

77- 1
78- 4
79- 0
80- 4

Hope this helps.

Also attached is a photo of a 1958 DeSoto Diplomat with rear buffer guards. The ones on the front would look similar.





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goat19642004
Posted 2018-01-30 5:46 PM (#557231 - in reply to #540622)
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plumfloored
Posted 2018-01-31 9:57 PM (#557305 - in reply to #540622)
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Sergio Harley
Posted 2024-01-03 7:32 PM (#633263 - in reply to #557208)
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Location: Curitiba PR / Brazil		Can you help decoding my 57 Plymouth IBM card as well?



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56D500boy
Posted 2024-01-03 10:24 PM (#633266 - in reply to #633263)
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Sergio Harley - 2024-01-03 4:32 PM
Can you help decoding my 57 Plymouth IBM card as well?


Here is another version of your car's IBM card:





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56D500boy
Posted 2024-01-03 11:39 PM (#633268 - in reply to #633266)
Subject: RE: Help with decoding my 57 Plymouth IBM card



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I know almost nothing about 57 Plymouths but I see the paint code as APP which I believe is

A= Sand Dune White Roof
P = Desert Gold Body
P = Desert Gold Sport Tone Insert

Something like the top one here:



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frwl
Posted 2024-01-04 2:30 AM (#633270 - in reply to #540622)
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Body Type 66 = Belvedere V8 (6), 2-Door Hardtop (6)
Color APP = Sand Dune White Upper Color (A), Desert Gold Lower (P) and “Sportone” Insert (P) Colors
Trim 343 = White Velva-Grain Vinyl and Gold Flight Weave
131 = White Side Wall Tires – 7.50 x 14 – 4 Ply
154 = Heater with Defroster
169 = Push Button Radio and Antenna
183 = Accessory Group – License Plate Frame, Vanity Mirror, Left and Right Outside Rear View Mirrors
203 = Power Package – 4BBL Carburetor, Special Manifold, Dual Exhaust and Special Air Cleaner
212 = Sportone – No idea what does it mean; your car does not have “Sportone”, the lower body color is Gold all-over;
Does this car have Aluminum Insert Sportone like on the Fury?

Your car has Factory Manual Transmission, Manual Steering and Brakes;
Wheel Covers, Rear Quarter Stone Shields, Prismatic Mirror, Cigar Lighter, Glove Box Lock were Standard Equipment on Belvederes (Accessory Group 178)



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56D500boy
Posted 2024-01-04 2:49 AM (#633271 - in reply to #633270)
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Could be this colour combo (top one), but with the stainless like the blue one below (but with out the second colour):



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frwl
Posted 2024-01-04 2:59 AM (#633272 - in reply to #540622)
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Digged in my database and found another 1957 Plymouth IBM card picture;
The Sportone item actually has order code 321, not a 212 as I’ve supposed earlier;
An odd fact: the order code 321, while “2” printed above instead “1”;

Scrolling up to the beginning this thread (goat19642004), we can see a correct Sportone code 321, and APA paint scheme code on the IBM card picture;
This car has white roof (A), gold body (P) and white Sportone (A) colours,
The Sportone code 321 must mean an added lower moulding, I guess (upper is standard)

The currently IBM card (Sergio Harley) car has paint scheme APP and Sportone code 322 (“2” above “321” column);
It might be Sportone with same color as lower body or spring special anodized aluminum insert between the side mouldings like on the Fury, I guess…

Could you post a couple pictures of your car, please?




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frwl
Posted 2024-01-04 3:00 AM (#633273 - in reply to #633271)
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56D500boy - 2024-01-04 2:49 AM

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Could be this colour combo (top one), but with the stainless like the blue one below (but with out the second colour):

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Yes Dave, you maybe right!
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frwl
Posted 2024-01-04 3:06 AM (#633274 - in reply to #633273)
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56D500boy - 2024-01-04 2:49 AM

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Could be this colour combo (top one), but with the stainless like the blue one below (but with out the second colour):

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Yes Dave, you maybe right!


But why they changed 321 to 322? It was the same option!
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frwl
Posted 2024-01-07 5:30 AM (#633322 - in reply to #540622)
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Found in the net:
Is it painted Sportone or Aluminum Insert?



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frwl
Posted 2024-01-07 12:39 PM (#633325 - in reply to #540622)
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No Sportone, No Insert... just double stainless moulding...

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=79060&...



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56D500boy
Posted 2024-01-07 2:05 PM (#633327 - in reply to #633322)
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frwl - 2024-01-07 2:30 AM
Found in the net:
Is it painted Sportone or Aluminum Insert?


Disclaimer: I know nothing about 57 or 58 Plymouths *BUT* I do know my way around the 55-58 Parts Catalog fairly well.

That said, I believe that there is some compelling evidence that some Belvederes could have the same or similar anodized insert panels set between an upper and
lower trim along the front fenders, hardtop doors and rear fenders that the Furys received.

This "evidence" starts with the results of a search that shows the trim that surrounds these panels on both the 57 (and 58?) Belvederes and Furys, i.e. Sections 23-23-80 and 23-23-85

The first inkling that I might be on to something was the upper door trim PN (1696 642 ) that is common to both the Belvederes and the Furys.

The Fury trim diagram also flagged the annodized inserts as Items 10, 12 and 14. When chasing Item 12 as PN 1833 978, it shows up as applying to both the Belvedere and Fury models.
Likewise for Item 14, the big rear fender piece.

Irrefutable? Maybe, Maybe not. Compelling, I think so.

(At least until an expert comes along)

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Sergio Harley
Posted 2024-01-09 2:41 PM (#633346 - in reply to #540622)
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Location: Curitiba PR / Brazil		Thanks you guys for the Help.
She was gold and white and indeed a manual transmission car.

I will send a picture of my Belvedere here.
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Posted 2024-01-09 3:04 PM (#633348 - in reply to #540622)
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Location: Curitiba PR / Brazil		My Car looked like the gold on the pic bellow.

Now it's painted red and white.



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Posted 2024-01-10 2:17 AM (#633351 - in reply to #540622)
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Posted 2024-01-10 2:25 AM (#633352 - in reply to #540622)
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frwl
Posted 2024-01-10 2:26 AM (#633353 - in reply to #540622)
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Thank you for the pictures.
So, your car does have the single side upper moulding, right or does not?
Did you see the factory mounting holes on the bare metal for the lower moulding during the repainted preparation?
Need to figure out exactly: Did your car have factory ONE or TWO mouldings on the side?
Thanks.

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Sergio Harley
Posted 2024-01-12 7:00 AM (#633370 - in reply to #540622)
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Location: Curitiba PR / Brazil		It had the upper side moulding only.

She was exactly the Gold Belvedere on the pic above.

Thank you guys for helping me, you guys are great.

Now she has the upper and lower side mouldings, I've bought the original Power Steering, Power Brakes (front disc brakes), the original engine is long lost so I've installed a 318 LA small block Mopar with moderate racing prep and a 3 speed transmission on the flor with a Hurst Shifter, Chrysler 8 3/4 3:54 ratio and sure grip rear end.

This lady will be able to cruise and race as well.

Thanks once again.
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