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61_Imperial
Posted 2017-03-08 2:52 PM (#535467)
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Can anyone show me how to prove this is a real D-500 (or Super D-500)?

 



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Posted 2017-03-08 5:40 PM (#535477 - in reply to #535467)
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I dont think it is. a 2 door ht should start with 25 on the body

 

Could you give more info? is it a sedan? Built: 03-18-57 Series number: 10903 Your other codes 293,485

293 = Torquflite

485 =

 

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47901&posts=4&highlight=d500 &highlightmode=1#M385988

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=41493&posts=3&highlight=d500 &highlightmodeh =1#M319376

 

 



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Posted 2017-03-08 9:06 PM (#535495 - in reply to #535477)
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mikes2nd - 2017-03-08 5:40 PM

I dont think it is. a 2 door ht should start with 25 on the body

 

Could you give more info? is it a sedan? Built: 03-18-57 Series number: 10903 Your other codes 293,485

293 = Torquflite

485 =

 

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47901&posts=4&highlight=d500 &highlightmode=1#M385988

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=41493&posts=3&highlight=d500 &highlightmodeh =1#M319376

 

 



It's not a 2 Door hardtop. It's a 2 door sedan.
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Posted 2017-03-09 12:06 AM (#535510 - in reply to #535467)
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61_Imperial - 2017-03-08 2:52 PM

Can anyone show me how to prove this is a real D-500 (or Super D-500)?

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This is really interesting! It appears to be a 2 Dr sedan, Coronet V-8 with a blue interior? The second digit in the "BDY" code is 7! I have no idea what that signifies. Please email me. The link to my email is at the bottom.

Greg

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Posted 2017-03-09 12:18 AM (#535511 - in reply to #535510)
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61_Imperial - 2017-03-08 2:52 PM

Can anyone show me how to prove this is a real D-500 (or Super D-500)?

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This is really interesting! It appears to be a 2 Dr sedan, Coronet V-8 with a blue interior? The second digit in the "BDY" code is 7! I have no idea what that signifies. Please email me. The link to my email is at the bottom.

Greg




Email sent!
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Posted 2017-03-09 12:26 AM (#535514 - in reply to #535467)
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7 maybe some kind of police car?
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Posted 2017-03-09 12:38 AM (#535516 - in reply to #535514)
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mikes2nd - 2017-03-09 12:26 AM

7 maybe some kind of police car?


Well.. yes. It was a police car. However Neil stated no police info was stamped on the data plate. I think.
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Posted 2017-03-09 1:02 AM (#535518 - in reply to #535516)
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mikes2nd - 2017-03-09 12:26 AM

7 maybe some kind of police car?


Well.. yes. It was a police car. However Neil stated no police info was stamped on the data plate. I think.


While no specific police items were coded, that 7 is in the chassis code spot and could be related to special suspension/engine options. What did Neil say about that "7"?

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Posted 2017-03-09 8:00 AM (#535535 - in reply to #535518)
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I searched but couldnt find him saying anything about a 7, does he have a full "how to decode" thread?

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Posted 2017-03-09 10:14 AM (#535546 - in reply to #535467)
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BDY code starting with 27 is Super D500

Do you have any more info on the car? Photos?

Would be very interesting to see!

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Posted 2017-03-09 10:25 AM (#535549 - in reply to #535546)
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D500Jim - 2017-03-09 10:14 AM

BDY code starting with 27 is Super D500

Do you have any more info on the car? Photos?

Would be very interesting to see!



Fantastic. Well, I just bought it. I plan on picking the car up soon.

I will do a full write up on the car with pictures etc when I get it. For now, here is a teaser. (this car was sold new as a highway patrol car)

 


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Posted 2017-03-09 10:29 AM (#535550 - in reply to #535546)
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D500Jim - 2017-03-09 10:14 AM

BDY code starting with 27 is Super D500

Do you have any more info on the car? Photos?

Would be very interesting to see!




So, to clarify, it would have been a 325 with Dual Quads correct? Not a 354?
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Posted 2017-03-09 10:29 AM (#535551 - in reply to #535546)
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D500Jim - 2017-03-09 8:14 AM

BDY code starting with 27 is Super D500

Do you have any more info on the car? Photos?

Would be very interesting to see!



Thanks for the info on the Super D500 I posted an ad from Hemmings on a Super D500 Black/Gold and the Body Trim is 25 the same as mine obviously this dispels the info in the ad implying that it is original although it does not out and out say that directly.
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Posted 2017-03-09 10:33 AM (#535553 - in reply to #535551)
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D500Jim - 2017-03-09 8:14 AM

BDY code starting with 27 is Super D500

Do you have any more info on the car? Photos?

Would be very interesting to see!



Thanks for the info on the Super D500 I posted an ad from Hemmings on a Super D500 Black/Gold and the Body Trim is 25 the same as mine obviously this dispels the info in the ad implying that it is original although it does not out and out say that directly.


So, it would have been a D-500, not a Super D.
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Posted 2017-03-09 10:41 AM (#535556 - in reply to #535467)
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To complicate things, Super D500 were also built with BDY code 25xx. But they would have the correct coding on the Build Sheet.

But ..., it is said they were also offered as a dealer added option on a D500 and thus not showing on the Build Sheet.

It's in the bolts, nuts, brackets and other small mounting parts that you can identify a genuine Super D500

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Posted 2017-03-09 10:42 AM (#535558 - in reply to #535550)
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D500Jim - 2017-03-09 10:14 AM

BDY code starting with 27 is Super D500

Do you have any more info on the car? Photos?

Would be very interesting to see!

So, to clarify, it would have been a 325 with Dual Quads correct? Not a 354?

Yes, not a D501

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Posted 2017-03-09 10:43 AM (#535559 - in reply to #535556)
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D500Jim - 2017-03-09 10:41 AM

To complicate things, Super D500 were also built with BDY code 25xx. But they would have the correct coding on the Build Sheet.

But ..., it is said they were also offered as a dealer added option on a D500 and thus not showing on the Build Sheet.

It's in the bolts, nuts, brackets and other small mounting parts that you can identify a genuine Super D500



Or a chrylser build sheet.. which I have sent off for.

So some body code 25XX were super D's but all body code 27XX were super D's?
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Posted 2017-03-09 10:48 AM (#535560 - in reply to #535559)
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61_Imperial - 2017-03-09 4:43 PM So some body code 25XX were super D's but all body code 27XX were super D's?

That about sums it up, but it is a nice kept secret 

Good thing you asked Chrysler for the build sheet, it will show how it was factory built.

If the seats and carpet are still there, you could look under them to see whether the IBM card is still there. Or taped behind the glovebox. That would be a real treasure!



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Posted 2017-03-09 10:53 AM (#535562 - in reply to #535560)
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61_Imperial - 2017-03-09 4:43 PM So some body code 25XX were super D's but all body code 27XX were super D's?

That about sums it up, but it is a nice kept secret 

Good thing you asked Chrysler for the build sheet, it will show how it was factory built.

If the seats and carpet are still there, you could look under them to see whether the IBM card is still there. Or taped behind the glovebox. That would be a real treasure!




Well that is great to know.

Now to find a 325 Hemi....
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Posted 2017-03-09 11:23 AM (#535565 - in reply to #535562)
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Now to find a 325 Hemi....


Of course you know that the engine number needs to start KD500, right?

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/oldhemi.html

KD500-1001 1957 325 285 hp
KD500-1001 1957 325 310 hp (w/Power Pak)



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Posted 2017-03-09 11:52 AM (#535567 - in reply to #535565)
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May have to settle on a Poly and convert it to a hemi. I dont think I will ever find a real one

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Posted 2017-03-09 12:42 PM (#535572 - in reply to #535567)
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Another KD500 stamped 325 Hemi engine.

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Posted 2017-03-09 1:39 PM (#535579 - in reply to #535567)
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May have to settle on a Poly and convert it to a hemi. I dont think I will ever find a real one


They are out there. I would say rare, but definitely not unobtainable. The correct intake and dual quads will be harder to find than the block and heads!

You need to put out wanted ads everywhere. Facebook, the FL site here, the HAMB classifieds, and Hot Heads swap meet for starters. TR Waters and a few other Hemi-related vendors may also be able to steer you to someone that has some Dodge parts.

You might get lucky and someone in this thread sees that you need some KD500 engine parts
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Posted 2017-03-09 2:02 PM (#535580 - in reply to #535467)
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Can someone comment on the Super D-500 intake manifold. I recall some discussion about it being an aluminum Offenhauser. Is that correct?
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Posted 2017-03-09 2:19 PM (#535581 - in reply to #535580)
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Swept57 - 2017-03-09 2:02 PM

Can someone comment on the Super D-500 intake manifold. I recall some discussion about it being an aluminum Offenhauser. Is that correct?



I am less worried about it being a numbers matching block. Hemi heads are good enough, for now.

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Posted 2017-03-09 4:04 PM (#535586 - in reply to #535581)
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Looks like you just missed this one!

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/dodge-hemi-325-kd500-sol...

And this was for sale a year and a half ago. Might be worth following up on.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/kd500-short-block.991267...

Another few.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/dodge-d500-engine.101353...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/dodge-d500-engine.101645...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/56-d500-engine.1006768/


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Posted 2017-03-09 5:48 PM (#535590 - in reply to #535580)
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Swept57 - 2017-03-09 2:02 PM

Can someone comment on the Super D-500 intake manifold. I recall some discussion about it being an aluminum Offenhauser. Is that correct?


I have a real 57 D500 conv that has an original Super D500 aluminum intake on it. At first I thought it was aftermarket, but Neil told me that's what the factory used.
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Posted 2017-03-09 6:06 PM (#535593 - in reply to #535590)
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Can someone comment on the Super D-500 intake manifold. I recall some discussion about it being an aluminum Offenhauser. Is that correct?

I have a real 57 D500 conv that has an original Super D500 aluminum intake on it. At first I thought it was aftermarket, but Neil told me that's what the factory used.


Something like this one:



In this ebay car:



REF: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Dodge-Coronet-K-D-500-1-/262835074828?...
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Posted 2017-03-09 6:10 PM (#535594 - in reply to #535549)
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D500Jim - 2017-03-09 10:14 AM Well, I just bought it.


Sort of the colour flip of this one:

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Posted 2017-03-09 8:15 PM (#535601 - in reply to #535590)
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Swept57 - 2017-03-09 2:02 PM

Can someone comment on the Super D-500 intake manifold. I recall some discussion about it being an aluminum Offenhauser. Is that correct?


I have a real 57 D500 conv that has an original Super D500 aluminum intake on it. At first I thought it was aftermarket, but Neil told me that's what the factory used.


Offenhauser?
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Posted 2017-03-09 8:17 PM (#535602 - in reply to #535593)
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Can someone comment on the Super D-500 intake manifold. I recall some discussion about it being an aluminum Offenhauser. Is that correct?

I have a real 57 D500 conv that has an original Super D500 aluminum intake on it. At first I thought it was aftermarket, but Neil told me that's what the factory used.


Something like this one:



That one just needs to go away. It is not a Super D, it isn't even a real D500.
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Posted 2017-03-09 9:22 PM (#535609 - in reply to #535601)
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Swept57 - 2017-03-09 2:02 PM

Can someone comment on the Super D-500 intake manifold. I recall some discussion about it being an aluminum Offenhauser. Is that correct?


I have a real 57 D500 conv that has an original Super D500 aluminum intake on it. At first I thought it was aftermarket, but Neil told me that's what the factory used.


Offenhauser?


I'll have to check when we get home next month, but I think it is an Offenhauser.
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Posted 2017-03-09 9:39 PM (#535615 - in reply to #535602)
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Swept57 - 2017-03-09 8:17 PM
That one just needs to go away. It is not a Super D, it isn't even a real D500.


Wow. And people were saying the 300 Letter car people were snooty.

Now I have watch out for the D500 people and try not to offend them.

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Posted 2017-03-10 8:24 AM (#535635 - in reply to #535615)
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Swept57 - 2017-03-09 8:17 PM
That one just needs to go away. It is not a Super D, it isn't even a real D500.


Wow. And people were saying the 300 Letter car people were snooty.

Now I have watch out for the D500 people and try not to offend them.

;)


I didn't mean it like that, it is just that this car is constantly represented by sellers as a real Super D500, when it is not. It would make a great clone. If it were mine, I would finish it as an accurate Super D500 and enjoy it.
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Posted 2017-03-22 10:06 AM (#536439 - in reply to #535467)
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Any day now.. the build sheet should arrive
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Posted 2017-03-22 7:28 PM (#536474 - in reply to #536439)
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Any day now.. the build sheet should arrive


I hope you post it,I would love to see it. It will be interesting to see if they address the 12" brakes!!

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Posted 2017-03-22 8:49 PM (#536483 - in reply to #536474)
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Any day now.. the build sheet should arrive

I hope you post it,I would love to see it. It will be interesting to see if they address the 12" brakes!!
Greg


I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for brake info. That was the main reason I wanted the decode for my 56 CR D-500. I have the 12" brakes but the FCA Historical info didn't say anything about them.

Hopefully there is more info for a 57 D-500 and they will indeed say something about both the engine (number) and brakes.

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Posted 2017-03-22 9:10 PM (#536487 - in reply to #536483)
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Any day now.. the build sheet should arrive

I hope you post it,I would love to see it. It will be interesting to see if they address the 12" brakes!!
Greg


I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for brake info. That was the main reason I wanted the decode for my 56 CR D-500. I have the 12" brakes but the FCA Historical info didn't say anything about them.

Hopefully there is more info for a 57 D-500 and they will indeed say something about both the engine (number) and brakes.

:)


My 57 D501 card didn't say anything about the brakes either.
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Posted 2017-03-22 11:33 PM (#536496 - in reply to #536487)
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Any day now.. the build sheet should arrive

I hope you post it,I would love to see it. It will be interesting to see if they address the 12" brakes!!
Greg


I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for brake info. That was the main reason I wanted the decode for my 56 CR D-500. I have the 12" brakes but the FCA Historical info didn't say anything about them.

Hopefully there is more info for a 57 D-500 and they will indeed say something about both the engine (number) and brakes.

:)


My 57 D501 card didn't say anything about the brakes either.


David,(Swept 57) of course it didn't! The second digit in the "BDY" code for your car already identified its SPECIAL CHASSIS EQUIPMENT!! There is nowhere else on the punch card or the broadcast sheet to code this good stuff! Neil and I worked on this years ago. This is what makes 57 decoding so difficult!

I don't know anything about 56 and don't pretend to do so! It seems each year was a whole new bag of codes. It wasn't until 58 that codes appeared to become somewhat standardized throughout the make and model lineups.

Greg



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Posted 2017-03-23 3:57 PM (#536535 - in reply to #536496)
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Greg, I'm curious, did ALL Super D500 cars get the large brakes for 1957?

If so, wouldn't that mean all cars with 27xx BDY code (Super D500 - as this car is coded) came with big brakes and therefore would not show them explicitly on the build sheet?

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Any day now.. the build sheet should arrive


Don't be surprised if they come back with BDY Code 27xx unknown. If they do, respond with a letter asking them to run it by Darrel Davis. That is exactly what happened to me, but Darrel was able to correct it.

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57burb - 2017-03-23 3:57 PM

Greg, I'm curious, did ALL Super D500 cars get the large brakes for 1957?

If so, wouldn't that mean all cars with 27xx BDY code (Super D500 - as this car is coded) came with big brakes and therefore would not show them explicitly on the build sheet?


Danny, Super Ds did not all come with 12" brakes. A Coronet Super D with standard suspension didn't even get a sway bar (unless it was a convert)! I think BDY code 27xx could also mean a D500, as well as a Super D Coronet with HD suspension and brakes and a sway bar.

We'll see what CHS says. Both D500 and Super Ds were coded on the punch card so that should be obvious.

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Awesome, thank you for the info. I hope you have this stuff documented somewhere!
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Posted 2017-03-23 11:25 PM (#536559 - in reply to #536557)
Subject: Re: 1957 Dodge Coronet D-500 Data Plate Decode


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57burb - 2017-03-23 10:19 PM

Awesome, thank you for the info. I hope you have this stuff documented somewhere!


Thanks, Danny. Yes, I have all my work documented in chart form and the only one I shared my charts with was Neil. Needless to say, he and I didn't agree on all items and I know that he carried on his research much later than I did. In my opinion there is still a puzzle to solve!

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