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Jessica
Posted 2017-02-13 6:44 AM (#533886)
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About a month ago I bought a 1957 Plymouth Sport Suburban from Tyler Martin here on the forum. The car has been bounced around a lot in its lifetime, and legend has it that it is a factory dual quad V800 car. Since bringing it home, I immediately requested the IBM information from FCA, and got to work on rebuilding the suspension and brakes so that I could drop a new motor in it (the one in it was seized) and drive it/haul my camper with it this summer. My IBM decode leaves a lot of questions to be answered, so any 57 V800 owners are welcome to message me here-- I'd love to compare notes and get a few more answers. As it is, I currently have a decode sheet (copied from information I found in the decode section on this site), but it is dated for October 31, 1956, and I need a later revision which should have additional information about ordering a V800 car (from what I've researched this option was made available mid-year). I'll update with some photos of my progress as well once I can hop onto the computer or iPad and photobucket everything (adding pictures via phone is difficult).
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Posted 2017-02-13 6:45 AM (#533887 - in reply to #533886)
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Here's the day I brought it home...



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Posted 2017-02-13 10:11 AM (#533899 - in reply to #533886)
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I need to check goodwill more often...
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Posted 2017-02-13 10:33 AM (#533902 - in reply to #533899)
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Check out this thread : http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=56077&... as it outlines the Dealer availability of the Dual Carbs....

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Posted 2017-02-13 11:05 AM (#533905 - in reply to #533886)
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If it is a factory dual fury v800 it should have the fury front sway bay, heavy duty leaf springs, bigger torsion bars and bigger brakes.
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Posted 2017-02-13 1:22 PM (#533928 - in reply to #533886)
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Excellent score! I hated that Ty had to sell, but glad the wagon is staying "in the family".
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Posted 2017-02-13 3:11 PM (#533940 - in reply to #533886)
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Nice find! Did you and/or Jeff ever check out the ex- Jim Rawa/Neil Freman '57 Sport Sub w/ tinted glass over in Norwich NY? I traded it to a body & paint guy for a paint job on another car about 8 (?) years ago. Last I knew he still had it stored in a barn.
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Posted 2017-02-13 3:51 PM (#533943 - in reply to #533886)
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yes paid $50.00 at goodwill! sign at register - we have a donated car for sale

good for restoration 1957 plymouth suburban wagon - in back - $50.00!
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Jessica
Posted 2017-02-14 9:25 AM (#533999 - in reply to #533886)
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The original engine did not come with the car. It seems to have been removed quite some time ago. In its place was a seized 1960 318. I've already pulled the front clip off of the car, removed the engine, and stripped the firewall. The car was originally NAN which is a sand dune white body with dusty coral roof and color sweep. I plan to reverse the colors in the future, so I am prepping my firewall and painting it before I drop my new engine in it next month. I bought that rebuilt 301 that was for sale both here on the site and on eBay. We will pick it up in Florida while we are on vacation.

Here's some progress photos. After getting her into the shop, one of the first things I did was take some rubbing compound and polish the dead paint. Her patina brightened right up. Next I replaced the mealy left front fender that was starting to rot through the brow. In October, I purchased a rust free 57 Plymouth fender before even knowing I would be gettting this car. It's the same color (dusty coral), so I guess it was meant to be. I also purchased an NOS bumper wing (this car used to have them from the factory), for the left side at the same show. Once I was satisfied with how the fender matched, I pulled the front clip. With a little help from my boyfriend, the engine was pulled, and I got to work cleaning/degreasing her and prepping the frame and suspension for restoration.



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Posted 2017-02-14 9:45 AM (#534001 - in reply to #533999)
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May I ask why you didn't remove the transmission as well ... now is a great time to freshen it up or even if it was working good an external "reseal" is always a good idea along with a detail and paint....

The single digit "salute" in the engine lift pic is a nice touch...adds a bit of "atmosphere"....

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Posted 2017-02-14 11:42 AM (#534008 - in reply to #534001)
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The single digit "salute" in the engine lift pic is a nice touch...adds a bit of "atmosphere"....


That's probably Jeff giving the finger to everyone he's ripped off over the years?




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Posted 2017-02-14 12:16 PM (#534013 - in reply to #533886)
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Noooo. I think I received some parts from him or his nice wife. Take that back! Marc.
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Jessica
Posted 2017-02-14 1:20 PM (#534021 - in reply to #533886)
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Take your disgruntle with Jeff elsewhere. This is my thread and my car-- none of which have anything to do with you.

I plan to remove the transmission, grunau. It'll get a complete overhaul. It would be silly to leave it as is behind a freshly rebuilt motor. The engine I removed had already been taken out by the orevuius owner. He merely set the motor in the bay for easier transport.

As for the salute, that's just Jeff being cute. I forgot it was even in the picture!

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Posted 2017-02-14 8:47 PM (#534047 - in reply to #533886)
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What is the history that made you believe it was a V800? Looks to be in decent shape! Nice score.
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Posted 2017-02-15 10:03 AM (#534070 - in reply to #534047)
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This car has a vagabond history-- one that's carried the legend of the V800. I purchased the vehicles IBM card to separate fact from fiction, however FCA left a lot to be desired in their ability to decode the power package option that it has. I have yet to come across the later decode sheet that has the answer I am looking for-- the early sheet which I found under the VIN/PT decode section does not have the same information (there must have been a change made mid-year).

This car was built in LA on June 26, 1957. It was shipped to Healey Motor Company on July 8th. Since then it has moved to Oregon where it spent most of its time in the 80's or so. Somehow, the vehicle wound up at Hernando's Hideaway salvage in North Dakota in 2002-ish (a guess as that is when the Oregon title was signed and released). The vehicle was then auctioned off in 2014 where it moved to Mn thereafter. Jim Rawa bought the car from a gentleman there via a facebook post, and hauled it to NJ. It then traveled to Western NY when Tyler bought the car, and then I purchased the car from Tyler. Sometime between the 80's and 2014, the original motor was removed and replaced with a 1960 318. A picture of the original motor (supposedly) has followed the car around, and it shows the dual quad setup. According to the gentleman who sold it to Jim Rawa, a previous owner took the intake and carb setup. I am more inclined to believe that the entire engine was replaced as the block was not original.

Here's a photo of the photo mentioned above. Everything seems to look like it came from this car-- including the heater hoses being the same, etc. I've also included two photos from the facebook ad when the car was being sold. Unfortunately the front bumper (including the wings and that rare accessory bar) and a few other bits were parted out before Jim bought it.



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Posted 2017-02-15 11:37 AM (#534076 - in reply to #533886)
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I recall a discussion of that car a long time ago. I am not sure which forum it was, but there are additional pictures with the 2x4 setup. I'll try to find it.
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Posted 2017-02-16 11:19 AM (#534147 - in reply to #534076)
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I think I know the thread you are talking about. I remember seeing it, too. I saved a few photos from it, but ten I replaced my phone after having battery issues, and most of my data was lost.

Here's some photos of the frame prep that I've been working on. I POR-15'd the rails, painted the control arms, replaced the control arm bushings and ball joints. Replaced the strut rod bushings and cleaned up the torsion bars and anchors. I also am installing disc brakes on the front, so I bought a pair of spindles to clean up and install. Once my parts are here from rock auto, I'll finish assembling the brakes, replace the lines, etc. I'm also working on the steering components. I've ordered some new bushings for my tierods to test out. A work in progress, that's for sure.





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Posted 2017-02-16 11:29 AM (#534148 - in reply to #534147)
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Jessica - 2017-02-16 11:19 AM

I think I know the thread you are talking about. I remember seeing it, too. I saved a few photos from it, but ten I replaced my phone after having battery issues, and most of my data was lost.



Yeah, I think the problem was it wasn't the subject of the thread it was in. Even if it didn't come with the V800, you should build it that way! I may have a spare set of the 57 un-silenced air cleaners if you do.
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Jessica
Posted 2017-02-16 1:51 PM (#534160 - in reply to #534148)
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I definitely intend to. I am purchasing an intake for it this weekend. Originally I had an intake with carbs deal in the works. They were located in Kansas. But things fell through after they were "stolen" or whatever. Feel free to send me a message and let me know what you're asking if you do have a spare set.

In the meantime, I'll run it on the 301 that I purchased until I can come up with all of the pieces I need to make it s dual quad (including cam etc).
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Posted 2017-02-16 7:45 PM (#534180 - in reply to #533886)
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Nice work on that Wagon ,you sure are making a lot of progress in a short time .
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Posted 2017-02-17 7:34 AM (#534206 - in reply to #533886)
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I wanted to get everything buttoned up in the front so that when my motor was ready, I could drop it right in. I didn't quite get it finished up, but I'm close.
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Posted 2017-02-20 10:13 AM (#534395 - in reply to #533886)
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Picked up the 301 I bought on eBay from Lakeland, Florida yesterday, and brought it on vacation with us. I also picked up a super clean grille, some extra hubcaps, and my dual quad intake. We'all be lazing on the beach a few days before heading back home and getting back to work on the cars.





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Posted 2017-02-20 12:23 PM (#534403 - in reply to #534395)
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That's pretty cool. I have picked up a hemi motor in my wife's old Mazda hatchback before. I took out the front passenger seat and put it there. Worked pretty well, but the poor car really struggled getting around.
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Posted 2017-02-27 10:10 PM (#534855 - in reply to #534403)
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Came home from Florida without incident, although I have yet to finish unloading my jeep (including getting the motor out of the back of it). I did have a pile of boxes waiting for me when we got home. The brake parts I ordered prior to vacation was like experiencing Christmas all over again.

We packed the new bearings into the races on the slotted and cross-drilled rotors I bought, loaded the calipers, and bolted on the new brake hoses. Tomorrow I'll pick up some coated brake lines and see if I can't get that all finished up. I have new rubber bumpers for the control arms on order. They should be here soon, and then I can finish up the suspension.





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Posted 2017-02-28 10:22 AM (#534876 - in reply to #533886)
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Nice work!
I see the Charger or whatever is still there from the last time I visited Jeff's (his Dad's?) garage, maybe 4-ish yrs ago now?
We like to go to Glenora winery, and you're not far, so we try to make a 2-fer out of it.

Anyhow, interestingly the 57 Sport Sub I also bought from Rawa (sight unseen) came from Neil Freman (before he sold & scrapped out his 'yard) in MT and it had also supposedly been from Western Oregon. Mine had the same color scheme, in reverse - cream white with red stripe. Rawa said he bought it for the factory A/C, which he removed before he sold me the car. It did still have the all-tinted glass, and 301 2bbl engine. Alas, it had very extensive roof-edge and rear-end rust, which he never told me about before my car pickup guy went & got it and brought it to Central NY. It would have needed a whole new roof, which I explored with Big M John, but just not feasible. So I ended it trading it to a body shop/Mopar restorer I know for a paint job on another car. He stuck it in a garage near Norwich NY, and he was trying to sell it (for parts?) when he decided not to restore it, and afaik it's still there. There may be some pics of it on here somewhere, circa 2007 or so.

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Jessica
Posted 2017-02-28 1:23 PM (#534893 - in reply to #534876)
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Yes, Jeff's charger is still there in that shop, and he has been furiously working to get that car finished for a show we are attending this summer. It's probably changed in appearance a lot since you've seen it.

Jeffs uncle has mentioned a wagon with find that the barn has fallen in on in that area. I hope it isn't the same car.
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Posted 2017-03-01 12:57 PM (#534954 - in reply to #533886)
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IIRC he was working on it for a show last time I was there lol!

How many 57 Plym Sport Sub wagons could there be left around central NY? Last I knew the '57 wagon was in an old building in the little town of Oxford, right next to the creek/river. Also had an Cuda AAR 340 there, he had/has? a lot of 60s Mopars, originally from Long Island but moved to just N of Norwich to buy a shop specialized in Mopar muscle cars. The 57 wagon had rare all-tinted original glass. Might be good for parts, rest of the body, except the rear which had stuck out of a barn for like 30 yrs, was very good. Have his contact info if anyone wants PM.
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Posted 2017-03-01 2:47 PM (#534964 - in reply to #534954)
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I'd be interested in checking it out if you would like to message me his info. Maybe there are some good parts I can use for mine. I can always use spare solex (my wagon has the tinted glass also).
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Posted 2017-03-05 4:34 PM (#535215 - in reply to #533886)
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It was too cold this weekend to do much in the shop. We have a 150,000 btu salamander, but, with 9 degree temps and a wind chill of -10, the kerosene heater isn't very effective. Today was around 20 and so we tackled a few small detail things. I'm still waiting on my idler arm bushing and fuel line to be shipped, but I installed some new polyurethane snubbers for the control arms and outer tierods grease boots.

Next step is masking and prepping the firewall for paint. Can't wait!





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Posted 2017-03-05 6:33 PM (#535219 - in reply to #533886)
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I have an idler arm bushing 25$ shipped

where did you get your bump stops? I see summit racing has some for 5$ a piece
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Posted 2017-03-06 2:50 PM (#535288 - in reply to #535219)
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Im working with a company at possibly becoming a suppier for the bump stops. They're polyurethane. I think the ones on summit are rubber.

I'll send you a message on the bushing. Thanks!
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Posted 2017-03-06 9:39 PM (#535318 - in reply to #533886)
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It was 56 this afternoon so we took the opportunity to air out the shop. I also began scuffing my firewall. I took 320 grit to it. I've got about 2/3 done before my hands cramped up and I called it quits/dinner time. Tomorrow's weather is supposed to be similar-- mid-50's. Looks like I'll be back in the shop to finish sanding and get her masked/primed. Photo is before scuffing.

Also my dynamat order came in today. Looks like I'll be reinsulating the firewall after she's painted.





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Posted 2017-03-06 11:39 PM (#535324 - in reply to #533886)
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you can get all kinds the later mopars work also from moog.

http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/category/dodge_coronet/front-bump-stops

these are like factory(no nut or bolt).

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/oer-384220

here are prothane lowers https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ens-9-9154g

Im going to have to run to summit racing to check them out.

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Posted 2017-03-07 7:51 PM (#535389 - in reply to #533886)
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Spent the evening scuffing the rest of the cowl, masking, and priming the firewall. Tomorrow I'll sand it with a finer grit and maybe get some paint on it.

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Posted 2017-03-08 11:02 AM (#535444 - in reply to #533886)
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Looking good, Jessica!!
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Posted 2017-03-08 12:46 PM (#535457 - in reply to #534070)
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Jessica - 2017-02-15 3:03 PM

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Here's a photo of the photo mentioned above. Everything seems to look like it came from this car-- including the heater hoses being the same, etc. I've also included two photos from the facebook ad when the car was being sold. Unfortunately the front bumper (including the wings and that rare accessory bar) and a few other bits were parted out before Jim bought it.



Did this Plymouth originally sell from Minneapolis ,, as i recognise the garage where the plymouth sits in these photos..
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Posted 2017-03-08 5:01 PM (#535475 - in reply to #533886)
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Yes. This car was in Minnesota before being sold to someone in NJ, And then again to someone else in NY before I bought it.
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Jessica - 2017-03-08 10:01 PM

Yes. This car was in Minnesota before being sold to someone in NJ, And then again to someone else in NY before I bought it.


Thanks for the reply and confirmation jessica,,

Was sure i recognised the place, as i visited and collected a 59 chrysler they stored for me which i collected and drove to Tulsa in 2007 for the unearthing,, That top garage had a 58 plymouth convertible in there along with a 57 chrysler and a couple Cuda's, as well as a couple 57 plymouths outside.. A member here bought the 58 convertible after i passed the info onto him several years ago now..

Yeah i knew Jim in NJ had it and sold it to Tyler in NY who sold it to you...

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Posted 2017-03-08 7:18 PM (#535485 - in reply to #533886)
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Sounds like a cool place!

Painted the firewall tonight, and love how it has turned out. I also dropped the inner fenders and core support off at a local sandblasted. The drivers side was covered in asphalt so that seemed to be an easier option. I should get them back next week and then I can paint them. I'll be ready to drop in the new motor in hopefully within the next couple weeks.





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Posted 2017-03-08 7:54 PM (#535490 - in reply to #535485)
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Firewall Paint looks great.

One question: I am confused as to what you did to the cowl tag?:





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Jessica
Posted 2017-03-08 9:10 PM (#535496 - in reply to #533886)
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I really love the color. It turned out pretty amazing.

Here's the final product after I pulled the masking paper and tape.





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Posted 2017-03-08 11:09 PM (#535503 - in reply to #535490)
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There are a couple things going on here. The build sheet was taped to the data tag when going through the assembly line from the factory. This is where you see the primer red beneath the white. I preserved this feature by masking over top of the factory tape mark. My tape was a little wider than theirs so some of the white shows, but I am okay with that. It's a distant memory of the firewall that used to be white.
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Posted 2017-03-09 12:24 AM (#535512 - in reply to #533886)
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why not leave it factory white? Or was that wagon once all white?
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Jessica
Posted 2017-03-09 7:42 AM (#535533 - in reply to #533886)
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The car is originally sand dune white with dusty coral roof and sweep. The factory first painted the entire shell coral, and then laid the white over top of that. The white has since worn off due to sun fade and weather extremities. I prefer the coral body so I painted the firewall to match. She will get a white roof later down the road.
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Posted 2017-03-09 1:22 PM (#535577 - in reply to #535503)
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The factory first painted the entire shell of the car coral, then taped off the roof and sweep and painted the shell again - in white?!

With the wide array of options and the manufacturing processes of the time, it's a miracle they ever made a dollar on any of these cars.

My dad took the body tag on my Chrysler and polished it. Heh.




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Posted 2017-03-09 9:31 PM (#535613 - in reply to #533886)
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Not sure why they did what they did, but either way I'm doing it the way I want to. The dusty Coral is such a gorgeous color.

I received an idler arm bushing in the mail today thanks to Mike. Maybe that will be a project for the weekend if it isn't too frigid. It's hard to keep the non-insulated shop warm on very windy days.
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Posted 2017-03-09 10:27 PM (#535620 - in reply to #533886)
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Glad to hear it, those are the AC Delco bushing I think which is stiffer than stock. Notice the rubber is more glossy than normal.

I will be shut down for the week also due to the cold, I can't polish antennas either.

I think I am going with the scarebird brackets...   I am putting a 392 Hemi in my 57 Dodge Royal

It looks like I am going with 15 inch rims and I can go with HD 3500 Ram calipers... huge pistons for some insane stopping power.

it looks like the HD 3500 Dodge ram van calipers which are dual piston might work also for even more power.

I picked up some Dodge spinner hub caps and they said they are repop 15 inchers. I will go check but I am done blasting and painting with these today.



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Posted 2017-03-09 10:45 PM (#535622 - in reply to #533886)
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Here is 15 vs 14. I have a great set of 57 caps if you want them.



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Posted 2017-03-11 7:13 AM (#535704 - in reply to #533886)
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Jessica my old car in Norwich is also Sand Dune with Dusty Coral sweep and roof! The car was/is definitely restorable, but the back of the roof over the tailgate would be quite a challenge, more than I wanted to deal with but an experienced body person would be ok. I too really love that Coral color, I had another car, a '57 Lincoln Premiere, in a similar hue.
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Posted 2017-03-11 7:14 AM (#535705 - in reply to #533886)
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'57 Premiere:



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