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Adventurer 60
Posted 2017-02-09 11:39 AM (#533602)
Subject: Rust repair without welding



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfF5lofCzBA&feature=share

This makes me sick. How in earth it is so difficult to understand the fact that you have to make things right.
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Rebels-59
Posted 2017-02-09 12:11 PM (#533606 - in reply to #533602)
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Wowza.. he took all the time to remove all the Rust, then spent 2 hrs waiting for a Fiberglass Bodge Repair to dry... Would of been so much quicker to Weld a repair patch in and do the job correctly...
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uncltank
Posted 2017-02-09 1:14 PM (#533611 - in reply to #533602)
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This is known as the "A..Hole" method of repair... The next owner will have more fun than a Pi..ed off Tiger fixing this...
I have months into fixing the "NEARLY RUST FREE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WAGON"... tap the rust in, cover with fiberglass...
blood pressure is up just thinking about it...
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-02-09 2:22 PM (#533614 - in reply to #533611)
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At least it is better than the rust repair done on my DeSoto where he applied aluminum tape over the rust and bondoed over the top of it.
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KcImperial
Posted 2017-02-09 2:53 PM (#533619 - in reply to #533602)
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I'm disappointed, I expected to see some expanding foam.
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KcImperial
Posted 2017-02-09 2:57 PM (#533622 - in reply to #533614)
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Powerflite - 2017-02-09 1:22 PM

At least it is better than the rust repair done on my DeSoto where he applied aluminum tape over the rust and bondoed over the top of it. :stressed:

Used car lots in my 'hood call that "quarter panel on a roll"
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-02-09 2:58 PM (#533623 - in reply to #533602)
Subject: RE: Rust repair without welding



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Sometimes you don't have the money or skills to do the right thing. So you do the "okay" thing.



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-02-09 4:46 PM
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big m
Posted 2017-02-09 3:32 PM (#533626 - in reply to #533606)
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Rebels-59 - 2017-02-09 9:11 AM

Wowza.. he took all the time to remove all the Rust, then spent 2 hrs waiting for a Fiberglass Bodge Repair to dry... Would of been so much quicker to Weld a repair patch in and do the job correctly...


Totally agree with you, Clive. Even an amateur welded patch piece will far outlast this method. Used car dealers like the fiberglass method, as it takes no skill.
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Adventurer 60
Posted 2017-02-09 3:47 PM (#533628 - in reply to #533606)
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Rebels-59 - 2017-02-09 12:11 PM

Wowza.. he took all the time to remove all the Rust, then spent 2 hrs waiting for a Fiberglass Bodge Repair to dry... Would of been so much quicker to Weld a repair patch in and do the job correctly...


Yep thats the point. He got a nice garage, money I quess, he has cleaned the whole body. Car was a classic car, not a 300 dollar driver you are giving one more year to live.
Why did'nt he ask some one else to weld patch panel if he was'nt able to do it??
And it seems he is honstely proud of sh*t he did, making a video of it and posted it to You Tube.
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-02-09 5:04 PM (#533634 - in reply to #533628)
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If you are a purist with all the necessary skills and/or money to do a full concourse restoration of your Forward Look vehicle, I strongly advise you to NOT follow my postings about my 56 Custom Royal D500 4 door sedan as I go about taking a car that sat neglected and hidden for 25 years in an "urban barn" (high rise parking garage) and turning it into an improved (but not restored) fun driver (not a show queen) that gets out on sunny days for fun drives and enjoying being alive (both me and the car)

In some cases, in this process of improving my car, I will be using techniques not purist-approved. In other cases, I will be doing things like adding MagnaFlow exhaust tips to a new 2.25" exhaust system that are very likely not purist-approved and replacing the back-up lights with additional stop/tail/signal lights.

Not trying to be antagonistic, just flagging that not everyone has the skills/budget/desire to spend way too much time/money/effort to create a masterpiece of restoration that is no longer going to be driven for fear of a scratch or bird cr*p happening to it.



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-02-09 7:14 PM
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ronbo97
Posted 2017-02-09 5:26 PM (#533635 - in reply to #533628)
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This video makes me cringe, for so many reasons.

Power cord dangerously close to grinder when working on quarter.

He rested a live wizzy wheel on his leg while talking.

Drinking while working on a car is never a good idea.

Breathing, and letting his poor dog breathe, that fiberglass dust.

And of course that patch will bubble up after a year and fall out after two or three.

Ron

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Posted 2017-02-09 11:59 PM (#533657 - in reply to #533634)
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56D500boy - 2017-02-09 5:04 PM

If you are a purist with all the necessary skills and/or money to do a full concourse restoration of your Forward Look vehicle, I strongly advise you to NOT follow my postings about my 56 Custom Royal D500 4 door sedan as I go about taking a car that sat neglected and hidden for 25 years in an "urban barn" (high rise parking garage) and turning it into an improved (but not restored) fun driver (not a show queen) that gets out on sunny days for fun drives and enjoying being alive (both me and the car)

In some cases, in this process of improving my car, I will be using techniques not purist-approved. In other cases, I will be doing things like adding MagnaFlow exhaust tips to a new 2.25" exhaust system that are very likely not purist-approved and replacing the back-up lights with additional stop/tail/signal lights.

Not trying to be antagonistic, just flagging that not everyone has the skills/budget/desire to spend way too much time/money/effort to create a masterpiece of restoration that is no longer going to be driven for fear of a scratch or bird cr*p happening to it.

:)


it's been done that way since car #1 and it aint goin to change cause some don't like it . if it weren't for people like em , just wonder how many would have been left
to return to the earth or goin to china --------------------------------------------------later
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58coupe
Posted 2017-02-10 11:32 AM (#533684 - in reply to #533602)
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Dave, we are not talking about a concours restoration. I and am sure many others have tried this shortcut long ago on our cars and found out the hard way it doesn't last. You are free to restore your car any way you can afford and I won't criticize you but this type of "repair" is a waste of time and money and will lead many astray.
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wizard
Posted 2017-02-10 1:15 PM (#533695 - in reply to #533602)
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There's always a difference between a temporay repair and a permanent one. Many must chose the temporary repair due to skills and/or their economic situation or lack of proper spare parts.

That said, bondo is always bad as a rust "repair" but so is lead if the rear of the repair cannot be treated with paint and rust preventive products

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56D500boy
Posted 2017-02-10 2:24 PM (#533698 - in reply to #533684)
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58coupe - 2017-02-10 11:32 AM Dave, we are not talking about a concours restoration. I and am sure many others have tried this shortcut long ago on our cars and found out the hard way it doesn't last. You are free to restore your car any way you can afford and I won't criticize you but this type of "repair" is a waste of time and money and will lead many astray.


Fortunately my 56 doesn't have enough rust to get excited about. The car was undercoated. One small perforation on the right rear fender lip (some seam is there??) and one under the front passenger foot area the size of a dime that is covered by an ugly 6" x 8" plate. That one is going to be "fixed" with the stranded Bondo (now that I know about it) - after treating the surrounding area with Rust Stop, etc. The rest of the car is solid. Not even anything at the rear bottom of the front fenders where my 55 Dodge had issues (fixed with Bondo - I was 17 in 1968)



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-02-10 2:25 PM
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ttotired
Posted 2017-02-10 5:32 PM (#533707 - in reply to #533602)
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This is no purist vs modifier thing here, this is proper panel repair vs butcher/hack job

A small gasless mig isn't expensive (I prefer to use gas though, much nicer weld) and even if your metal forming skills arnt that good, it don't take long to get something in there you can work off

Anyone else notice the paint removal process?

Do not remove paint stripper with a grinder, that fool just flicked that stuff everywhere, not just on the car, but all over his stuff in the garage

That car will (or has) end up on ebay as a rust free cosmetic restoration and some poor sap is going to buy it sight unseen and will have been royaly stitched up

Apart from the initial tool cost, sheet metal repair is cheaper than fibreglass anyway, if you don't want to buy new stuff, go to a scrap yard and look around, bound to be a 44 gallon drum
or an old door or hood ect, probably cost nothing

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