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RUSTORICHES |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 494 Location: Alberta | Make Room In The Garage;https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/desoto/firedome/1907489.html#&gid=1&pid=4 Edited by RUSTORICHES 2017-01-05 11:32 PM (57570546-770-0@2X.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57570546-770-0@2X.jpg (69KB - 150 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Try this link: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/desoto/firedome/1... | ||
jeff b |
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Veteran Posts: 113 | Wow !! Awesome! | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Very nice! A true show piece! It will be interesting to see what this fetches at auction. Does anyone remember what it sold for last time? It seems like a dealer bought it and put it up for sale afterward around the $200,000 range! | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Ah, another case of the curse of the over-valued convertible, .... flip, flip, flip , flip, flip ...... | ||
Mike McCandless |
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Expert Posts: 1886 | Not really. It sold for 192k at auburn. That's adventurer range. I will be looking at it for sure. All the cars like this have a reserve. When it was at auburn it was no reserve. | ||
soiouz |
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Expert Posts: 3480 Location: Montreal, Canada | Nice car, but I still don't understand why someone would go through a complete restoration of such a car, and then install an incorrect 1957 rearview mirror (and dash) inside!...? Car was previously discussed here: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=53915&... It looks like they put the spring special trim on the trunk level, now, as it used to drop somewhat on the passenger side. Edited by soiouz 2017-01-06 5:11 PM (image.jpg) Attachments ---------------- image.jpg (50KB - 106 downloads) | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Mike McCandless - 2017-01-06 2:36 PM Not really. It sold for 192k at auburn. That's adventurer range. I will be looking at it for sure. All the cars like this have a reserve. When it was at auburn it was no reserve. Aha! I think a dealer bought it at Auburn and then put it in Hemmings for about $240,000 (a quick $50,000, he hoped). I don't know if it ever sold from there. | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | soiouz - 2017-01-06 2:53 PM Nice car, but I still don't understand why someone would go through a complete restoration of such a car, and then install an incorrect 1957 rearview mirror (and dash) inside!...? Lots of '57 parts, interior and exterior! It is kind of a best of both worlds car. This would have been a great one for Doc's '57 side trim and two-tone treatment! | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Does anyone know this car's as-built history ? Was it really a green car like this ? Were the decklid bars added ? Where did it spend it's life ? Where was it found before restoration ? So few of these exist. Always interesting to know the back stories. | ||
christine-lover |
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Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | Doctor DeSoto - 2017-01-06 10:56 PM Does anyone know this car's as-built history ? Was it really a green car like this ? Were the decklid bars added ? Where did it spend it's life ? Where was it found before restoration ? So few of these exist. Always interesting to know the back stories. http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=55431 | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3887 Location: Northen Virginia | wow another Doc's car, is that radio original? looks like a 7 pushbutton... | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Denis, This is a Firedome. Mid-line model. Mikey could tell us how many are known to survive. For some reason, more of these survive than Fireflites. Firesweep convertibles survive in numbers around 20. I know of six surviving Fireflites and eight Adventurers. Been a while since I reconfirmed those numbers. A few might have been found in recent years ??? | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Doctor DeSoto - 2017-01-06 8:56 PM Does anyone know this car's as-built history ? I have seen the cowl tag, it was originally a gold car with a charcoal or black sweep, if I remember correctly. So I know next to nothing about how many Firedomes survive. I know for sure 519 left the factory. I think I know of about eight or nine in operable condition and maybe threeish more in non-operating condition. Those (to me) are the known knowns. As Donald Rumsfeld says: there are the known knowns (12ish), the known unknowns (507ish), the unknown knowns (other people know more than I do), and the unknown unknowns! Edited by Lancer Mike 2017-01-07 11:45 PM | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Yeah, ... I was thinking there were about twice as many Firedomes surviving as Fireflites. I would think these two cars would survive in similar numbers, but it just isn't the case. I wonder if the ratio is similar for 57 ? | ||
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Expert Posts: 1488 Location: New Castle PA | If we're talking just convertibles, in my 1957 database, I know of 22 Fireflite convertibles that exist, and 17 Firedomes. I also know 22 Adventurer convertibles, so I'd say that's a pretty even distribution. | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Ed, for 58, convertible production was: Firesweep - 700 Firedome - 519 Fireflite - 474 Adventurer - 82 Yet survival numbers are oddly dissimilar: Firesweep - 20-ish Firedome - 12 Fireflite - 6 Adventurer - 8 I would expect more high and low end cars to survive. Low end, because more were built, high end because they were more likely to be saved. I guess this is semi-true for 58. I am just surprised that double the number of Firedomes survive, compared to Fireflites. How many Adventurers do you show for 57 ? | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | I did include one Firedome that has been converted into an Adventurer in my "operable Firedomes" number. So there may be some double-counting! | ||
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Expert Posts: 1488 Location: New Castle PA | Doc, I know of 109 1957 Adventurers "for sure", and possibly a handful more that "supposedly" are there, but I don't have an owner's name, location, picture, or anything to actually confirm things. As I said above, 22 of those 109 are convertibles. | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Sorry, Ed. I had my brain in 58 gear when I should have been thinking 57. I thought the last number was for Firesweep, which, had I been thinking, would have realized that no ragtops were built in 57 ! | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 943 | Thanks for posting the known survival numbers. Are there really only 8 1958 Fireflite convertibles known, out of 474 built? That's a tiny number, sad actually. Edited by FINS! 2017-01-14 11:48 AM | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Jeez! Hemmings is awash with '58 De Soto convertibles right now! They are coming out of the woodwork! Common as ketchup! Move over 1957 Chevy, here we come! Mustangs, there is a new sheriff in town! It strikes me that the owner of this car is asking just about the same money that would buy the BJ '58 Adventurer convertible. If I had $240,000 burning a hole in my pocket, it would be the Adventurer, hands down, no contest. Edited by Lancer Mike 2017-01-14 6:01 PM | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | FINS! - 2017-01-15 8:47 AM Thanks for posting the known survival numbers. Are there really only 8 1958 Fireflite convertibles known, out of 474 built? That's a tiny number, sad actually. =========================== I have six as the known number Fireflite of survivors, eight Adventurers. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 769 Location: Oley, PA | Lancer Mike - 2017-01-14 2:48 PM Jeez! Hemmings is awash with '58 De Soto convertibles right now! They are coming out of the woodwork! Common as ketchup! Move over 1957 Chevy, here we come! Mustangs, there is a new sheriff in town! I like the color combination of this one: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/desoto/firedome/1891542.... No price listed. I'm sure it's way out of my range, but still would be interesting to know what they want for it. (58 Firedome Convert.jpg) (58 Firedome Convert2.jpg) (58 Firedome Convert Interior.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58 Firedome Convert.jpg (92KB - 109 downloads) 58 Firedome Convert2.jpg (129KB - 107 downloads) 58 Firedome Convert Interior.jpg (119KB - 114 downloads) | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | That's one of my favorites too! These two Firedomes are probably within spittin' distance of the Adventurer price. Whether or not you like this color or that color, the intake manifold and the nameplate make the Adventurer the obvious choice (all prices being equal). If the Firedome was half the price, that's a totally different story. | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | While I recognize the hobby paradigm that go-fast = greater desirability, personally I would prefer a better looking (more period unique colors and interior fabrics) over a mandatorily equipped white car with a brown interior. I really don't give two sh!ts if it has dual quads. In fact, I think it is a demerit, not an asset. Dual fours give terrible fuel economy, and I want to drive my car across Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado without requiring a trust fund to do it. I would much rather have an aesthetically appealing car without the go-fast than an less aesthetically appealing car WITH the go-fast. But in a Barrett-Jackson generated hobby paradigm, I am the weird one. | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3887 Location: Northen Virginia | Doc you are right about those hubcaps.. Man! the guy who designed them was not very inspired that day... | ||
ToMopar |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1157 Location: D-70199 Heslach | Is that particular 58 Firedome Conv the one from Max / Austria ? [parat11] (I know he sold a lot of his cars.....) http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=44854& Edited by ToMopar 2017-01-19 5:50 AM | ||
soiouz |
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Expert Posts: 3480 Location: Montreal, Canada | I like a lot of cars, often say that this one or that one looks great, but not often will I say this: I think that black and turquoise Firedome convertible just might be THE most beautiful car I have even seen. Period. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | That green on green fireflight is close behind. I heard these were like driving Ferrari/Corvette or like a Hellcat back in the day. These cars were something that stood out as special, the convert Desoto was rare and expensive even back then. | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | ToMopar - 2017-01-19 3:48 AM Is that particular 58 Firedome Conv the one from Max / Austria ? One and the same! "I think that black and turquoise Firedome convertible just might be THE most beautiful car I have even seen. Period." David, now there is a statement! You could start an interesting new thread on that one! Edited by Lancer Mike 2017-01-19 1:20 PM | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | All these cars shown are Firedomes. Fireflites are externally identifiable by the side trim running all the way forward to the headlight and an orange/ red medallion over the upper stainless bar toward the rear of the fender. For an easy to see example, go to the current Adventurer thread. Adventurers used the Fireflite trim. Of course, the "Fireflite"/"Firedome" scripts kind of give it away too ! | ||
The Adventurer |
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Elite Veteran,, James Passed away March 2021, He will be Missed Posts: 1028 Location: Melbourne, Australia | Doc Tim Faygan (the forum wont let me spell his name correctly ) from Indiana built this car and used all the 57/58 Trinkets items he liked as a personal choice . Like the seats are fireflite , spring special trunk mouldings , hood ornament and other items . None of these were original . Edited by The Adventurer 2017-01-19 11:45 PM | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Which car are you referring to ? I know Tim, but years ago he was all about his all-white Firesweep. I once sent him $300 towards a $1500 Firedome ragtop he wanted to sell, but never followed through after finding my Adventurer. At the time, he had a rustbucket/basket case Fireflite as well. Not sure what he ever did with any of these cars after I bugged out of the NDC. | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | These Desoto photos got my brain going back to the late 1950's. Did the Desotos inspire the Grin and Bear It cartoonist? "Lichty created Grin and Bear it in 1932. Frequent subjects included computers, excessive capitalism and Soviet bureaucracy. Situations in his cartoons often took place in the offices of commissars or the showrooms of "Belchfire" dealers with enormous cars in the background. His series "Is Party Line, Comrade!" skewered Soviet bureaucrats, always wearing a five-pointed star medal with the label "Hero." " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grin_and_Bear_It Edited by 56D500boy 2017-01-20 8:44 AM | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Chrysler Works, a car dealership in Highland California, built the green convertible for Tom Gerrard. The restoration was done under the supervision of Greg Groom. The seat pattern emulates a 1957 Adventurer pattern, done with a green motif and 58 style fabric. It is all very well done. I like the black paint on the wheel covers too - freshens up what are known to be dull covers! If you are going for stunningly gorgeous, the green car is mighty fine. If you are going for awesomely correct (I think the downturn tailpipes can be totally forgiven), the black car is tough to beat. I love that Grin and Bear It comic strip! Totally De Soto! That strip must have lasted until the 1970's or 1980's - I remember it. Somebody would get sued over that one today! Edited by Lancer Mike 2017-01-24 3:16 PM | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Lancer Mike - 2017-01-24 2:57 PM I love that Grin and Bear It comic strip! Totally De Soto! That strip must have lasted until the 1970's or 1980's - I remember it. Somebody would get sued over that one today! :laugh: I have searched and searched for a "Grin and Bear It" cartoon showing a) HERO of the Soviet Union medals on somebody and b) Russian cars looking like copies of American (FL) cars but I can't find either. That "HERO" medal made me laugh even as a kid because it seemed (in the cartoon) that they (the Soviets) were giving them away for the slightest thing. | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | So this car is about to go live. You know what would stink? If it sells, the new owner will eventually find out the car is supposed to have a padded dash. Geez! OK, I’ll order up a padded dash! The padded dash arrives and they try to install it. Hey! Padded Dash Company! What gives? I ordered my padded dash and it’s all wrong! Can you imagine all the confusion? | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Mike just reported it was only bid to $95,000. That must have frightened the owner a little! I suppose the right buyers were just not at the event. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5139 Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | I am familiar with a guy that "restores" De Soto's. He is very well known in the restoration business He sells cars thru Barrett-Jackson for some mighty big bucks. He does not try to make them exactly like the way they came from the factory. I recently helped him find a batwing air cleaner, and his expectations were not absolutly correct for the engine or year of the car. .. Evidently , to the big buck buyers, The best looking is more important than being "correct"..........MO | ||
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Veteran Posts: 104 Location: FIN land | I raise my hat for restorer who uses their brain to solve the problem with missing parts or other problems with restoration or customizes the vehicle to their personal liking instead of being 100% OEM correct...I'm tired to listen endless crying about wrong battery cables or wrong carburetor etc... There are still restorers who build cars for themself, just to enjoy of their vintage automobile...not just to make them as valuable as possible to sell it to some millionaire. | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3887 Location: Northen Virginia | At the end the only cars with a remotely price estimate is the OEM restoration. If you change the engine, tires, dash or put a set of tiger fur Greyhound bus seats in it...Only god can tell you the price.... But something is for sure, sooner or later every car is for sale, maybe by you or your heirs...OEM is going to get the best price. | ||
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