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Location: York County, PA | Time to pick out paint colors for Harry's old ride, four door sedan, to make it most sellable down the road. Black and red are not options. If my opinion, black is too much prep work and red paint is cost prohibitive. Car is currently fawn and cocoa. Suggestions? |
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Location: York County, PA | Thank you, Wizard. Yes, I have all of the color chips, ads, etc. I am looking for opinions. What colors would entice you to buy this car, gentlemen? |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | For me, green or copper, but red IS a sales color and many people love the blue metallic as well. |
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Location: California | How about fawn and cocoa? |
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Location: York County, PA | Well, I thought about a cocoa brown body with a white roof, but would it sell? Is any man out there that would attracted to fawn as a body color? If I wanted to keep the car, it would be another story. But I have two other four wheeled children that are my personal adoptions, that it enough for this woman. Besides, just looking at color chips and old ads really don't tell much. Still looking for suggestions on what looks nice. |
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | Paul Hettick - 2016-12-31 11:26 AM
How about fawn and cocoa?
Like this?
Or white and turquoise:
Or all lime green (Plaid sports coat - optional):
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Location: York County, PA | The sedan is like the station wagon only in reverse. Thank for the pictures. While we are in the picture file, I have a question. Does anyone have a picture of a 1960 Chrysler or Imperial painted in the two tone combination of dawn mauve/dusk/mauve or dusk mauve/black? Before you reach out to squeeze my head, these color combos come from the Imperial literature thanks to our friends over at the online Imperial Club. Can I pretend to create a non existent 1960 Dodge La Femme? |
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | ruchaven - 2016-12-31 7:02 PM. Does anyone have a picture of a 1960 Chrysler or Imperial painted in the two tone combination of dawn mauve/dusk/mauve or dusk mauve/black?
Couldn't find any with mauve and black just mauve or mauve and white
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Location: York County, PA | Ooh, that mauve is a strong color!! Personally I like it with the white roof. Wonder if there are any color pictures of an interior from these cars. Would it be possible to have a black dash with a white/black insert seats and same style door panels? |
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | ruchaven - 2016-12-31 9:10 PM Ooh, that mauve is a strong color!! Personally I like it with the white roof. Wonder if there are any color pictures of an interior from these cars. Would it be possible to have a black dash with a white/black insert seats and same style door panels?
Follow this link and click through the 4 photos: https://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2011/08/07/hemmings-find-of-the-...
Or this one and click through the 6 photos: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110613/entlife/706129995/
More Color options:
More here: http://www.lov2xlr8.no/dodge.html
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Location: Perth Australia | Unless your planning a re trim of the interior though, look at whats going to match the insides
Outside turquoise with a brown interior would look yuck
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Location: York County, PA | Yes, your are right, ttotired. I gutted the car last year while Harry was sick and put everything aside. A re trim of the interior was already in progress long before Harry got sick. The seats from our red/white four door hardtop were re foamed and paid for a long time ago. They just need the covers selected. Having the hardtop gives me a visual perspective on what the interior could look like. I like your color scheme, too. I did glance at your project in progress pictures. Any words of experience would be welcomed. |
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Location: York County, PA | BTW, has anyone seen a combination of fawn body and charcoal gray metallic roof on a FL.? |
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Location: Parts Unknown | As I prefer the earlier cars for their more playful colors and two-tone
color schemes, my perspective on the 3rd Gen cars is not as enthusiastic.
1960-61 was a period of toning them back and less flashy color.
I think you need to ask yourself what YOU want as an end product ?
As an example, I want my convertible to be more flashy, because it is
a flashy body style, than I do for my stripper sedan.
I would make a decision on final trim choices coordinating items like
whitewalls or blackwalls, dog dishies vs. flashier wheelcovers, and
extended out to paint color. These elements, when clashing, can make
a nice car look really dumpy. Coordinated, they make for a real time
capsule appearance that to my way of seeing these cars, is awesome.
I think it will also hinder or enhance sales interest when that time comes.
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Location: Perth Australia | I must say, As your doing this car to sell (and the trimming isn't done yet) then there are 2 ways I would do this
1 Sell it now. The big costs come in the details, paint supplies arnt that pricey depending on what paint ect you are using, but the costs of chrome and stainless repairs
can be very high. Putting rusty bumpers on a shiney paint job will heavily devalue the car as most buyers will assume that because the chrome is crap that
all the rest of the work has been done poorly. Expect a chrome bill of at least $2000 if your lucky
2 Do the car, but paint it red. Its called resale red for a reason. The extra it costs for a group three colour is nothing in comparison to other things that need to be done.
The details are what add value to a restoration, good chrome, straight flat panel and paint new or replated bolts ect, good interior and don't skimp on the wheels and tyres.
I will say that high quality panel and paint make you forget the actual colour when your looking at it, but colour is the first thing to grab your eye when you first see it.
The colour on mine was chosen on the way to buy paint. I wanted a car that was a different colour to the other cars that were on the road, so on the way, I looked at all the cars driving around
and didn't see one green one, so green it was, then just had to decide what green and the bluey greeny turquoise won, which was just called green on the paint can
I didn't see one pink car either, but nothing would make me paint a car pink (sorry to the guys with the lafemm cars) and if I was looking at a pink car to buy, my offer on the car would be discounted by what it would cost
to un pink it.
Actually, a better question to ask is not what colour to paint it, but what colour to NOT paint it
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Location: York County, PA | Thank you, Doc and ttotired, for your comments. They seriously taken under consideration. Much of the material for this project was purchased years ago and the intention was to replicate Harry's first ride which was a black body with a white top, and the original style Phoenix interior. I bought material before we even had a car.I have headliner, substitute fabric for the nylon plaid, silver fabric for the door panels, even have the rare all vinyl option seat covers, white with black inserts. I have NOS front bumpers, a decent back bumper, new door handles, new headlight lenses, new medallions, and more. All this was intended for the four door hardtop until we found how bad the floor pan on the hardtop actually was.
I have the sedan in pink and tan, a hardtop in red and white, and extra major body parts from two additional cars. I have two sets of most items, in some cases three. I know a sedan is hard to sell anyway, but it is a least safe to be run according to my mechanic who went over the drivetrain and blessed it. Now its at the body shop to do the welding (which Harry could have done), and a reasonable possibility of getting the body painted as well.
This isn't my first rodeo with old cars, but it has been a long time since I sat in the saddle. Technically I have the basics down and fundamentally know the drill. I just want to expedite the process as efficiently, not necessarily quickly, as possible with an end product that is as marketable as is possible. My thinking at this point is to make one good car, assemble the second one to offer as a rat rod project, and offer to the FL community the remaining parts and materials or scrap them.
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Location: York County, PA | Thanks, Chuck, for your comments. It confirms some of the quotes for paint I had been given locally. Obviously, I am not looking to do a concours job. With all the comments I have received here, the consensus seems to a red body color. I think to add a white roof to add classiness. |
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Location: York County, PA | Do I hear any comments for or against tropical yellow body with a white roof, white vinyl seats with charcoal gray inserts? We saw one all original like this, the first owner was thought to be a Chrysler factory manager from Newark, DE. I thought it looked classy, but Harry said he wouldn't seen dead in a car that color. I think Harry answered the question, but I would still like another masculine point of view. |
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Location: MN | Cactus please with a side of white top, like the 60 brochure shown different eye catching. Black shows everything & red of couse id soooo blase I know I did mine in red
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Location: York County, PA | Back from the body man. Roof of the sedan is badly pitted (no surprise). So I guess the roof will probably be white and the rest TBD, maybe some sort of mid tone color. Hood, trunk, doors all good replacements. Still open to options. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | ruchaven - 2017-01-03 2:52 AM
I would still like another masculine point of view.
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That is a very subjective term. Most red paint lovers think of
the color as masculine. I see it as compensatory for an insecure
masculinity. The guy who can drive a pink car with no issues is
either light in the loafers or very strong in his masculinity. The
difference should be obvious to any observer.
Personally, I like genuine people. Not the ones hiding behind
iconic imagery and clichés. Thusly, I tend to have a deeper app-
reciation for the seldom seen colors and an immediate dismissal
of the red car guy. But I am in the small minority here. Most
FL fans want a fire red 59 Dodge with every chunk of chromed
gee-gaw they can possibly hang on it. If you want to sell the car
for max bucks, cater to the bigger audience.
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Location: York County, PA | I appreciate your view, Doc, and I concur. I only said masculine because in my next of the woods most car cruises seem to be populated by those of the male gender who seem to associate the color red with their anatomy. Depending on the situation, they may be correct - blood shot eyes, bloody knuckles, well, I'll quit there. As I was saying to my body man today, I want to make this sedan a seductive enough trophy that someone with more money than brains can't get it out of their mind. All things considered I may have to concede to a red body with a white roof to accomplish that goal.
Taking that assumption a step further, I have been cruising the auction lists (past and present) on what could sell. I am toying with the 1961 Chrysler color called Dubonnet, PPG 71131 which seems to have drawn a strong response from the FL crowd a long time ago on this forum. It is a strong color which could wear out its welcome quickly on a car, but I think if its application was countered by a tailored application of black and the proposed white in the interior - it might just work. |
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Location: York County, PA | If I was planning to keep the car, it would be yellow. |
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Pioneer 4s in a light yellow-green, much like the color of the Plaza
I have now. It rode on blackwalls and had dog dish hubcaps,
silver/grey interior. It was as cute as a bug. It is hard to make
a 4 door sedan look good. This one really pulled it off. 
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Location: York County, PA | The one I saw was up for sale in New Jersey about 3, 4 years ago on Craigslist. It was a pale lemon yellow (not like above) with white interior trimmed in charcoal gray. I think '59 Dodge has a lemon yellow in its color chart. These cars above don't do to much for me either. |
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Location: York County, PA | Doc, that car you describe sounds similar to that yellow Pioneer hardtop I saw in New Jersey. The Craigslist pictures "paled" in comparison to seeing the real thing. Does anyone on here have pictures on that ride? The seller was in Northern New Jersey and tried to sell between 2010 and 2014. Also had a two tone green station wagon, red/white hardtop for sale. |
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Location: MN | Reread the comments noting it was fawn & cocoa, which was a popular color in the day & I think looks nice. Dad sold dodges in 60, they were a hot selling car, maybe a 1/5th were some variant of fawn. I think may be My Pheonix D500 was all white I had it painted red but if I were doing it today white/ red roof. For the DR my favorite choice for a 59 would be pink & coral with the SPINNERS. Different colors are very interesting over Red or Black. What body style?? The Chryslers shown in lavender & mauve were cool |
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Location: New Jersey | Claudia----Black top, cocoa body, blackwall tires, shiny chrome, fawn interior.----Fred |
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Location: Parts Unknown | This is a little going sideways to the point, but when I lost the
lease on my wreckingyard property, it began a cascade effect of
thinning down my cars, all the way down to the "keepers" I had
not intention of letting go. It was my intention to cut the herd
WAY down to one or two, so my focus and money could get something
done, instead of limping old beaters along.
I did some hard thinking about what I loved best about all different
cars and made some choices based on criteria I worked up. One
such criteria was the three generations of FL cars, and each having
attributes that the other may not have shared. With the first two,
bright colors and in-your-face two-toning were common on up-model
cars, but this styling trend ended with the 3rd gen cars. Paint colors
were much more subdued/conservative and two-toning was largely a
roof-to-body thing. I have seen some pretty silly paint jobs done by
people trying to apply their idea of 1st/2nd gen type two-tone paint
jobs to 3rd gen cars.
My point here being, paint colors offered after 59 were very quiet
when compared to 59 and earlier. And how the designers applied them
was also much more conservative. The fawns and tans and pale pinks
were so common, I would bet people occasionally lost their cars in parking
lots for all the similar cars present !
That little green Pioneer is the only 60 Dart I have ever seen trimmed
that way in 40+ years of looking for Forward Look cars. It was a real
standout ! But in the same vein that most people want a loud car like
the ubiquitous red 59 CR convertible, most people would also not be
very impressed with the little green grocery-gitter like I would. To me,
unusual and period correct overrules the understandably "standout"
cars that everyone oooh'd and aaah'd over since day one.
I deeply regret selling my 60 DeSoto cars. Especially the very special
built 383 x-ram 3-speed manual car. But when I made some hard decisions,
even the go-fast of that beast took a 2nd seat to my preference for playful
paint schemes and interior fabrics. I now wish I had stuffed all those cars
away and just sat on them. Many would be real prizes today. But in 1992,
they were just old cars that few people cared about.
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Location: York County, PA | Amen to your story, Doc. I understand. Back in 1992 my mother threatened to disown me unless I got rid of my green 1975 Plymouth Fury custom sedan and my black/yellow 1956 Studebaker Commander sedan out of our back yard. They were just old cars nobody cared about like you said. But, each of them were a part of my life.
The Studebaker was my first car I drove. I convinced my father to buy it for me in 1974 for $150. Three months later, my father died from injuries sustained in a traffic accident. Since I was the only driver in the family (my mother never drove, nor wanted to drive), I inherited the family station wagon, a 1970 Plymouth 318 engine. Through my neighbors I joined the Studebaker Drivers Club. When I went to my first major show in 1980 with that car I was hooked forever on old rides.
The 1975 Plymouth Fury (not a Gran Fury) was the first car I paid for in 1978 for the grand price of $2300. Equipped with a 360 four barrel automatic it could hold its own with any manual Roadrunner on the highway. Try finding one of those puppies today!!
So finally in 1994 I caved in and called the neighborhood junkyard man for the Plymouth and another neighbor for the Studebaker. So that is why when I met Harry many years later, I could identify with his story about his 1960 Dodge Dart Phoenix. |
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Location: York County, PA | According to my R-M paint chip chart, one was called Raw Sienna (paint code A), Cloud, (paint code L), and Satin, (paint code W). I am feeling pretty confident that some shade of white will be in the equation. Your input is appreciated, Horace.
Does anyone here recall the original Phoenix four door hardtop from Missouri that had a black body with a red top? I think the seats were white. If some one has pictures, please post. |
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Location: MN | If the interior was original there was no white but there was parchment w? tan centeres & your right about satin & cloud.
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Location: York County, PA | I don't know yet. I want to do right by the car and get it on the road. On the other side, I am emotionally fighting over ten years worth of frustration and investment of my time in finding cars and parts for Harry that he did nothing with. Now that I am all alone, I have a lot of time on my hands for now. Some days this project is my therapy, and other days this project is my nemesis simply because of my emotions.
Its not the cars fault that it didn't get done, and I was not about to do Harry's work only for him to take credit for it. I have found two very competent individuals working with me on this car now. That wasn't the case when Harry was living. Let's see what happens when it gets to the primer stage. I expect that in about six weeks. The sound of the drivetrain is amazing. |
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Location: York County, PA | I ordered samples of paint in Dubonnet Red and Alaskan White for test panels. They should be ready for pick up in about ten days. |
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Location: York County, PA | I want to thank everyone for their input. I compiled all of the color suggestions and had a scheduled meeting with our local PPG paint man to discuss the feasibility of each. Sadly, many paint recipes are no longer available or prone to becoming a muddy mess in the future with the current ingredients available. Your responses have been sincerely appreciated |
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | ruchaven - 2017-01-02 10:52 AM
Do I hear any comments for or against tropical yellow body with a white roof, white vinyl seats with charcoal gray inserts? We saw one all original like this, the first owner was thought to be a Chrysler factory manager from Newark, DE. I thought it looked classy, but Harry said he wouldn't seen dead in a car that color. I think Harry answered the question, but I would still like another masculine point of view.
Instead of going with a White roof , use the charcoal grey or a dark silver or roof with a Yellow body, interior seats in white with charcoal or grey inserts and a charcoal or grey carpet, probably use a yellow bead on seats, dash and door panels charcoal or grey, with a white insert and yellow stripe through them? |
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Location: York County, PA | Thanks for your input. Nothing is cast in stone yet. The colors I selected above are vintage, a beginning, and not necessarily the main color. Once I see them sprayed out and compared with the stainless from the car , then I will have a better idea what direction to take the color. The car I saw in yellow looked very sophisticated in my opinion if it was original. I saw no evidence to the contrary. |
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Location: York County, PA | When I am done it should look like a Phoenix four door sedan. I think current mileage is 68,000. I am sourcing from four cars, a fawn and cocoa Pioneer sedan, body parts from a fawn Pioneer sedan Harry and I stripped ten years ago, one vermillion red and white four door Phoenix hardtop, and drivetrain parts from Phoenix two door hardtop. Body wise I am merging the sedans as needed. Seats from the red and white Phoenix are padded and wrapped in burlap waiting to be covered. Original covers were carefully dissected for a pattern, also have enough of original all vinyl covers from the two door hardtop to make a pattern. All drivetrains were 318.
My objective is to create a 1960 sedan that looks nice enough and runs so well that a prospective buyer overlooks the fact it is a sedan. The body we are working on has a 318 with a powerflite transmission which sounds quiet and shifts nicely, the hardtops are both torqueflite transmissions. I am curious how the drivetrains are different since the two door hardtop engine/transmission once had a four barrel intake.
The sedan body is reasonably solid, front clip is clean, just needs sanded, have like new headlights, taillights, backup lights, hood, grill, front bumpers, four doors, trunk lid, two front seat floor pans are made and welded in, truck pan needs two small holes repaired, passenger side lower fender needs repaired, driver side good; water plugs replaced on engine block but one next to firewall, new brake lines, wheel bearings, master cylinder, wheel cylinders brake shoes installed from stash; drums cleaned inspected, new fuel lines, gas tank pulled, inspected, cleaned, and reinstalled; radiator pulled, cleaned, tested, reinstalled; new hoses, belts from stash, distributor pulled, cleaned and reinstalled; replaced coil, plugs, wires from stash; transmission cleaned, new gasket set installed from stash; exhaust system passed inspection, Y pipe in good shape, but I have a set of headers and new mufflers in my stash. Body sits straight, but sags a little, new rear springs from ESPO a cure, new shocks to be installed from stash.
Work was started August 2015 by our inspection mechanic. I had asked him as a favor to do it for Harry. Its a shame Harry never sat behind the wheel to drive it, but he did see it run and move on its own before he died. When Harry died, I wasn't sure who I could trust to do the welding, body work, and paint. A friend of mine who owns a '70 Challenger recommended her mechanic. He did her body work and her car has been on display at Carlisle He keeps her other Mopars running, too. I gave him a couple of small jobs on my Horizon parts chaser, he seems OK. His main income is from collision work, but he works on anything old as long as you supply the parts and material.
So I am here cleaning, sanding, buffing, and polishing the aluminum grill and door sills for this beast. Its good winter work. The stainless will be easier, not as dirty.
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Location: Cincinnati | ruchaven - 2016-12-31 4:56 PM
Well, I thought about a cocoa brown body with a white roof, but would it sell? Is any man out there that would attracted to fawn as a body color? If I wanted to keep the car, it would be another story. But I have two other four wheeled children that are my personal adoptions, that it enough for this woman. Besides, just looking at color chips and old ads really don't tell much. Still looking for suggestions on what looks nice.
For all in the thread this is a fun thread and especially the comments about cocoa and fawn. I owned the for 14 years the Polara Wagon in this thread. Now the dirty little secret. The wagon was originally all fawn. The prior owner decided he wanted to make it look like the cocoa Polara Wagon in the brochure. He was going to paint the roof white but decided he liked the fawn combination and kept it as a salute to the original color. Brochure link below:
http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-1200-675/...
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | ruchaven - 2017-01-06 4:13 PM So I am here cleaning, sanding, buffing, and polishing the aluminum grill and door sills for this beast. Its good winter work. The stainless will be easier, not as dirty.
What are you using to polish the aluminum door sills? I am trying Mothers brand mag wheel polish. Not the liquid, the creamy paste in the small jar. I think it works great. Best used wearing old clothes and latex gloves since there is a lot of black residual while you use it. At the moment, I am just using paper towels. For the final polish I will try to find a nice soft cloth to apply the paste and then buff it off.
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Location: York County, PA | Thank, everyone, for your continued interest. Unless my body man finds additional problems, I have narrowed the color schemes based on the 1990 Chryslers; black body with red claret metallic roof; black cherry metallic body with a white roof. Seats will be white pearl with a red roof or red pearl with the white roof.
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