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Mike McCandless
Posted 2016-12-18 1:56 PM (#529047)
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I picked up the 59 NY convertible a year ago. I knew it had been redone in the late 80's/early 90's. Car had been out west most of its life. Was a 2nd owner car since 1965. We've been going through the car to make it road worthy/safe. That lead to a lot of rewiring in the car. To the point, we're just redoing ALL of the wiring. As the interior came out, we started to notice a lot of blue. Now I'm curious what this car would have been from the factory. I won't put it back correct just yet, but will work towards that in 5 years. The paint is high driver quality and right now, I just want to enjoy the car. We've redone almost everything under the car. Making this conversion a lot easier down the road. Any help decoding this would be great. Some pictures below:

I believe it says:
0107 555 103917 AAA 328
G H J2 5K L M N Z2
A0 B C D2 E5 F

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Posted 2016-12-18 3:02 PM (#529059 - in reply to #529047)
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Mike: Using 1959 Desoto logic as they were made at the same plant

0107 Car made on January 7

555 Chrysler (5) NYer (5) convertible (5)

AAA all Black

328 interior

E5 hot water heater
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Posted 2016-12-18 4:11 PM (#529064 - in reply to #529047)
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http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/aclchip.aspx?image=1959-Chrysler-pg...

should be born as a black car
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2016-12-18 5:11 PM (#529067 - in reply to #529047)
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Awesome, maybe the interior was meant to be different that he red it has now. I can't find what 328 designates
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Powerflite
Posted 2016-12-18 8:06 PM (#529087 - in reply to #529067)
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Shouldn't that body plate be held on with un-removable screws? You might want to verify that the plate belongs to the VIN number. Often a different color of paint underneath is a good indicator of it's history. Is there black paint under the blue?

Regardless though, the car looks great and should be a lot of fun.

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The Adventurer
Posted 2016-12-18 8:37 PM (#529093 - in reply to #529047)
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Probably a cut and shut Mike , a turquoise rear half on the original black front . Nothing to worry about lol
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2016-12-18 9:24 PM (#529103 - in reply to #529047)
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The outside is black and by all accounts we've seen, should be black. It's the interior color I'm curious about. There is red over spray in places. Finding that, with the paint under the black, has me thinking the interior was different. I really want to find out as I could possibly do an interior change now while things are apart
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-12-19 12:25 AM (#529115 - in reply to #529103)
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I'd make it a 57 or 58 while I had it all torn apart !
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2016-12-19 9:44 AM (#529142 - in reply to #529047)
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I'm working a lead on a 57 NY convertible now, will take half a year to get things worked out most likely :D
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Posted 2016-12-19 10:48 AM (#529150 - in reply to #529047)
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Mike Hi!
Lovely car you have there. Studied and are interested to learn more. Especially when I have a proven 2owner 300c conv virgin myself.
So my first question what you will find in colour layers under the turquoise? and all the way to the metal surface.?
It has been and is a lot of bad things with cloned Convertibles, not for mention here in Sweden .. is such a shame especially as they constitute a greater value.
Question Bosse how many convertibles without x-frames he have spotted during his mopar life...dont ask how many been shipped;))
Well yours from my eyes looks have had been restored...most likely
1 time.. no problem eith that!!!!
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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-19 4:07 PM (#529197 - in reply to #529103)
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Mike McCandless - 2016-12-19 2:24 AM

The outside is black and by all accounts we've seen, should be black. It's the interior color I'm curious about. There is red over spray in places. Finding that, with the paint under the black, has me thinking the interior was different. I really want to find out as I could possibly do an interior change now while things are apart


Why would they interior body be painted in a different colour to the outside? Is it just that rear quarter are that is showing the Turquoise paint? If so it may have had a repair at some time in the past and a replacement inner and outer quarter panel used?
If not try scrapping the Black off in another area possibly somewhere around bulkhead under hood , or behind heater box to see if any signs of different colour paint?

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Posted 2016-12-19 4:11 PM (#529198 - in reply to #529047)
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But that colour does look very similar to this?



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1960 des
Posted 2016-12-19 4:49 PM (#529203 - in reply to #529047)
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Michael is smart so we do not need to worry about just that!
In addition, it is for all of us a great gift that he has the desire and passion to provide us questions about what he finds strange!
How many would be so transparent in a similar delicate issue?
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2016-12-19 4:54 PM (#529206 - in reply to #529047)
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The outside color was black. The factory tag says it was black. There isn't concern there at this point. The question is, what color was the interior? I've found some light green/blue on the floor behind the kick panel and in the rear, under the rear seat. I seriously doubt the interior was red as it is now, as there is considerable overspray under the dash and certain area's. I'm trying to figure out what color the interior was so over the coming years I can gather what's needed to put it back right.

That's one of the frustrating parts of these cars. So little information is accessible to figure these things out. One of the reasons I wish the various cars from this area were more supportive of one another. I imagine someone in the 300 club or imperial club might know these things, but I can't send emails about a NY to an imperial or 300 list serve and they don't frequent here. Being one of the youngest collectors of these cars, it's frustrating as I don't have the decades of knowledge most do.
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Posted 2016-12-19 5:24 PM (#529210 - in reply to #529047)
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Mike i posted a Decode for Options on FL 300s years ago here.. unfortunately is doesnt list Interior codes just Paint and options, But here is the link in case you have a build sheet for options and they share with a New Yorker..

http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=17607&post...

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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-19 5:31 PM (#529212 - in reply to #529047)
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Oh, so what you are saying is that the whole interior sheetmetal of the car was painted the same colour as the interior trim was you think was Turquoise? And now has a Red interior so instead of someone who possible changed the interior trim colour has just painted the inside Black instead of Red?

So saying that you would think the interior to have been Turquoise/Green as the paint shows to have been, try having a look at the rear of dash panel as there should be some overspray visible of original colour, pull the trim off around the front screen if there is red over spray it's quite possible the dash was not removed when they painted it?
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Posted 2016-12-19 6:13 PM (#529214 - in reply to #529047)
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According to SMS it looks like Red was not available on the Newyorker convertible? Although 318 is the code for Red , wonder if it was special order and code altered to 328?

331 Blue,
333 Brown,
335 Turquoise,
336 Mauve,

Might be worth giving SMS a call see if they know anything on code, there does not seem to be a 328 for any of the 59 Chrysler line up?
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2016-12-19 9:40 PM (#529225 - in reply to #529047)
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Frustrating! We have a code and no idea what it means haha. Surely someone out there has a guide or reference book so we can figure this out. I'm going to crawl under tomorrow and see if I can find any overspray. I'm really hoping the interior was to be blue. Would make for a really cool combo!
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Posted 2016-12-19 11:17 PM (#529234 - in reply to #529225)
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I have owned 100's of FL cars and crawled through 1000's more in
wrecking yards. I don't remember any FL car with the floors and interior
framework painted a finish color.
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Posted 2016-12-20 12:44 AM (#529242 - in reply to #529234)
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Not sure what you mean by finish color, but all of them that I have seen were body color on the interior metal, regardless of interior color.
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Posted 2016-12-20 2:23 AM (#529247 - in reply to #529242)
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Powerflite - 2016-12-20 12:44 AM Not sure what you mean by finish color, but all of them that I have seen were body color on the interior metal, regardless of interior color.


So as a noob but with some detective-type mental skills, what works in this story is the car was originally blue as shown by the exposed interior panels (under the black) *AND* not only did the colour get changed to black, they swapped in (i.e. removed two screws (very secure system DUH)) a build tag from a similar but black car (probably a rusty or accident damaged hulk). Voila a less damaged/rusty black car (UNTIL you scratch the surface). I wonder if they were smart enough to paint under the build tag black or if you removed it, you'd see blue.



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Posted 2016-12-20 3:43 AM (#529251 - in reply to #529242)
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Powerflite - 2016-12-20 12:44 AM

Not sure what you mean by finish color, but all of them that I have seen were body color on the interior metal, regardless of interior color.


I've seen the same, my white 300G and 61 NY interior metal was painted with same color as exterior (white). My "60 Desoto was Winterberry red, so was interior of the body.

In the 80's when these cars were much much better available somebody just used another better body for the restoration, I quess.


In 1961 models there are numbers stamped under the heater cover and rear cross beam of the body. These sets of numbers has production date so they must match to vin tag numbers. Not sure if this is same with 59 models.
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Posted 2016-12-20 4:10 AM (#529252 - in reply to #529047)
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Actually wont take many minutes to take that heater cover off. You'll see the production numbers at the bottom of the hole. They have to have numbers 107 and 555 -not sure in what order.
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Posted 2016-12-20 7:17 AM (#529257 - in reply to #529047)
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Hi Mike, do you have build sheet or IBM card for this car? Also does that tag look to be stamped upside down? All the other pictures of 59 Chrysler tags I can find seem to be the other way up with the larger part at the bottom.

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The Adventurer
Posted 2016-12-20 8:47 AM (#529261 - in reply to #529047)
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I have offered for sale numerous trim and paint books for these cars and people never want to buy them . All this info and codes are in them . You don't need 50 years of knowledge , you need common sense . Buy all the literature you can for your car and you don't have to ask people is my theory !
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2016-12-20 10:32 AM (#529269 - in reply to #529047)
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The car is a 2nd owner car. Was bought in 1965 and in the same family until I purchased it last year. Car was restored in 1992. Bought the car from Bo at copper state. I contacted him and I think he's reaching out to the family. The car was sold due to the father passing. I hope to have time over the weekend to go through the paperwork that came with the car and see what I can find out. I appreciate all the comments. I'm just in pursuit of the truth, whatever that is. I've never tried to be one to represent a car as anything other than what it is. I'm so ready to drive this thing and it WILL be driven, not a trailer queen.
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Posted 2016-12-20 11:57 AM (#529277 - in reply to #529047)
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Hi Mike
I will Say, you have a beuterfull rare New Yorker conv. Not many out there.

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Posted 2016-12-20 12:25 PM (#529278 - in reply to #529047)
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I don't know how to attach an image from a 1959 Chrysler brochure. But you can access it on this site under my heading "interesting site" and pull up the 1959 Chrysler brochure. It shows a red interior in a picture of a Saratoga but there are no paint or interior codes for any of the models that I can find. The picture of the dash looks like the one in your New Yorker Mike.
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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-20 1:19 PM (#529280 - in reply to #529278)
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I don't know how to attach an image from a 1959 Chrysler brochure. But you can access it on this site under my heading "interesting site" and pull up the 1959 Chrysler brochure. It shows a red interior in a picture of a Saratoga but there are no paint or interior codes for any of the models that I can find. The picture of the dash looks like the one in your New Yorker Mike.


Body Style: 4-Door Hardtop Trim Code: 228 Color: Red



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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-20 1:29 PM (#529283 - in reply to #529280)
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Found it eventually on SMS site

1959 Chrysler New Yorker
Body Style: Convertible Trim Code: 328 Color: Red
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https://www.smsautofabrics.com/ajaxresults.php?year=1959&make=Chrysl...



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Posted 2016-12-20 1:51 PM (#529287 - in reply to #529242)
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Powerflite - 2016-12-20 9:44 PM

Not sure what you mean by finish color, but all of them that I have seen were body color on the interior metal, regardless of interior color.


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By "finish color" I mean dash color, window garnishes, etc.

All other paint I have seen is just incidental overspray, not
intentional body color shot in quantity as if the interior framing/
floors were meant to have color.
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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-20 2:07 PM (#529291 - in reply to #529287)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2016-12-20 6:51 PM

Powerflite - 2016-12-20 9:44 PM

Not sure what you mean by finish color, but all of them that I have seen were body color on the interior metal, regardless of interior color.


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By "finish color" I mean dash color, window garnishes, etc.

All other paint I have seen is just incidental overspray, not
intentional body color shot in quantity as if the interior framing/
floors were meant to have color.


Most I have seen have been the red oxide colour inside with traces of body colour from over spray when exterior of car painted, the 57 Adventurer was fully painted inside and in trunk White, 58 Dodge Black car, again red oxide inside with Black over spray , trunk and underside fully painted in Black, to paint a car fully inside the interior compartment would be a waste of paint when most of it is covered by interior when finished? A convertible would probably have received more body colour inside due to there being no restriction to the painters putting the paint on, no robots painting the cars back then all down to the guy on painting line as to how much was painted?
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Posted 2016-12-20 2:49 PM (#529298 - in reply to #529280)
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springsweptwing - 2016-12-20 1:19 PM
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I don't know how to attach an image from a 1959 Chrysler brochure. But you can access it on this site under my heading "interesting site" and pull up the 1959 Chrysler brochure. It shows a red interior in a picture of a Saratoga but there are no paint or interior codes for any of the models that I can find. The picture of the dash looks like the one in your New Yorker Mike.
Body Style: 4-Door Hardtop Trim Code: 228 Color: Red


Like this?

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Mike McCandless
Posted 2016-12-20 3:51 PM (#529310 - in reply to #529283)
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springsweptwing - 2016-12-20 1:29 PM

Found it eventually on SMS site

1959 Chrysler New Yorker
Body Style: Convertible Trim Code: 328 Color: Red
Vinyl
Request


https://www.smsautofabrics.com/ajaxresults.php?year=1959&make=Chrysl...



WOW, in that case, maybe nothing was changed over. Still can't figure out why this thing would have blue paint. Maybe they were considering a change and didn't end up doing it when restoring it. So odd
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Posted 2016-12-20 4:02 PM (#529311 - in reply to #529047)
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Is this blue color showing up at more than this one place? Depending on that answer, may lead you to whether the whole car or the interior had a color change at some time in it's past....

Sure the car was never in an accident??

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Mike McCandless
Posted 2016-12-20 5:41 PM (#529327 - in reply to #529311)
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sidesho_bob1961 - 2016-12-20 4:02 PM

Is this blue color showing up at more than this one place? Depending on that answer, may lead you to whether the whole car or the interior had a color change at some time in it's past....

Sure the car was never in an accident??


Only on the panels I've shown and kick panels in the front. From the information in this thread, it looks like it's correct. The car was originally black with red interior and likely got a duplicate refresh in 92. No clue where the blue/green came from.
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Posted 2016-12-20 5:58 PM (#529329 - in reply to #529047)
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SMS get all their codes from the original Trim books . As they have them all .
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Posted 2016-12-22 4:05 AM (#529479 - in reply to #529047)
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To make sure that plate is correct with the car. The answer is hided about there under the heater cover.
Numbers should match to plate not to vin-number.



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Posted 2016-12-22 4:12 PM (#529530 - in reply to #529479)
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Spoke this evening with a friend who knows a lot about the US classic cars. Renovated several cars. I told her about your fine New 59 Convertible. And if the turquoise color. He believed they start to paint the wrong color. They cultivate begin painting the inside. There were no robots painted without the usual painted. Then you made mistakes.
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Posted 2016-12-23 3:04 AM (#529595 - in reply to #529047)
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Well actually they had simple stupid paint robots and guys painting blind spots that robots were un able.
You can see form this video at 2.15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mK48uo3WPc

Its from "59 Desoto assembly plant but I quess they made cars same way at every plant
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Posted 2016-12-25 1:48 PM (#529741 - in reply to #529047)
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Backside of plate. Found pictures of car being restored inearly 90's but just shows it in primer. Does show motor in car with black paint. Also have a ton of paper work going back to October of 65 when previous owner bought it. Where will these numbers be exactly?




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Posted 2017-02-02 10:21 PM (#533054 - in reply to #529047)
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I wish I had seen this thread sooner, but I have been distracted by the restoration on my '56 Fireflite lately.

I am hoping I can answer a question we both have and provide some authenticity to our 1959 cars here. Let me just add here that in July, I bought a 1959 Fireflite Sportsman 2 dr hardtop survivor (perhaps a loose term based on condition) from an older gentleman who had owned it since 1987. The car is all black with the silver metal insert in the sweep and a red/silver/gray cloth/vinyl interior. However, before I bought the car, I noticed it had torquoise paint on the firewall above the trans, inside the car where carpet and kickpanels were missing, and in/under the trunk! Now, I was convinced this was a 95% original car with the original paint (except some top surfaces that had been rattle canned by the older gentleman after they faded) and interior, or rather what was left of it after sitting outside for 30 years on a driveway. The car has 41,000 original miles and I have the ad from 1987 showing a black/white photo of the car and that it had 16,000 miles at that time, authenticating the mileage as being original. I also have receipts supporting this and older photos showing the car when it was in better condition. However, I was left scratching my head. I was convinced that the black paint was correct and nobody in their right mind would put a red interior into a blue car. I then decoded the car and confirmed black (AAA) and the red cloth/leather interior (386). So I concluded that possibly it was a mistake on the line and repainted, though the color that is baked through on the exterior surfaces does not reveal any blue. Fast forward to today.

While searching today for data plate info on '56 DeSotos to decode the LA-built cars, I stumbled on this thread from '09 that should help. I originally thought based on the "two-tone" part of the description, it may pertain to '56 DeSotos. It turns out that it appears to be a '57 Chrysler or Imperial (perhaps someone who knows those codes can confirm), but is clearly a black car, coded as such, showing no other signs of blue, that has turquoise in the trunk!

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=26918&...

I am also attaching photos of my '59 Fireflite. I have high confidence in the correctness of my car here and can only conclude that either the factory screwed up the same turquoise/black color combo on at least three separate occasions (highly unlikely I would say), or they used that color as some sort of primer or coating in non-visible areas. It certainly is a mystery as to why this was done, but I think we can both be confident that what we have is correct. For your particular car, you should be able to find the interior code somewhere or possibly go through SMS or FCA historical to be 100% certain.



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