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Location: Connecticut | scottbit - 2016-12-19 10:25 AM Ron, how many cars do you have on your 59 Dodge convertible registry? Scott - I have 39 cars listed. Sixteen Coronets and the rest Custom Royals. I think there are a few more in Sweden that I don't have yet. Ron |
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Location: Northen Virginia | Gosh that car look even worst with better pictures. Everything can be restored but with out engine or title seems an up hill battle, Only Big M can estimate the cost of a restoration like this, he brought back Rusty from the mopar heaven......
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| sorry that i was sheeted on the deal i was promised from the owner i would have no problems fix that car i have abouth 90% of all crome for it NOS and 2 nos quarterpanels, hood, one door,+ rustfree flors , frontclip so i would have it all to do a good restoration |
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | d500dodge59 - 2016-12-19 7:14 AM sorry that i was sheeted on the deal i was promised from the owner i would have no problems fix that car i have abouth 90% of all crome for it NOS and 2 nos quarterpanels, hood, one door,+ rustfree flors , frontclip so i would have it all to do a good restoration So the future will show up if the new owner could do the full restoration himself or if he'll bring the car to you, Carlo Notaro or some other company who professionally restores MoPars in Sweden. Good luck Jan, Dieter |
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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | All those NOS parts mean nothing if there's no inner structure to weld anything to......LOL |
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Location: Northen Virginia | We saw dozens of cars like theses over the years, we saw them in this condition and we never saw them again...Mr Fridberg we know from past experience that you can fix this car, but $16k for a car like this is too much money no matter how you look at it...this is not and it will never be a $3.5 million 1970 Plymouth Barracuda hemi convertible. |
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Location: Branson, MO | mikes2nd - 2016-12-20 7:23 AM
obviously it is worth 16k
Not to me - maybe $1600. And that's a MAYBE! Right now I wouldn't touch it with a 59 1/2 foot pole.
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Location: Northen Virginia | you can buy a really nice running Imperial 4dr with hemi 392 for 16k.. Other Dodges and Plymouth too. My fiend purchased an amazing 60 Desoto 4dr hardtop in immaculate original mint condition for lot less than 16k. The car was displayed at Carlisle as a survivor.. |
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| 57-59 Plymouths in this condition seem to bring 4-5k, the value of the stainless steel vert only trim and top frame, every thing else can be fabricated if you are determind enough. The main problem to me with this car is the fact that 59 Detroit build Dodges do not have a stainless steel vin tag in the door jam like most forward looks do. The only vin number that I know of on these cars is on the steel trim tag on the righthand horizontal corner of the cowl ( under a pile of wet leaves on this one with no hood! ) and I have seen them rust away to illegibility on cars that were in much better shape than this. To me no vin number = no ibm card= no high dollar convertible.
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | scottbit - 2016-12-20 10:52 AM
57-59 Plymouths in this condition seem to bring 4-5k, the value of the stainless steel vert only trim and top frame, every thing else can be fabricated if you are determind enough. The main problem to me with this car is the fact that 59 Detroit build Dodges do not have a stainless steel vin tag in the door jam like most forward looks do. The only vin number that I know of on these cars is on the steel trim tag on the righthand horizontal corner of the cowl ( under a pile of wet leaves on this one with no hood! ) and I have seen them rust away to illegibility on cars that were in much better shape than this. To me no vin number = no ibm card= no high dollar convertible.
I'll agree with you that the vin number is not there in place . Car is not not as integrering, I personalen. Unfortunately, you can take the car as clone convertible. I got an offer to trade away my windsor 59 conv against a Cadillac Biaritz 59 project included a restored 59 flatt top. Biaritz lacked wine plate. But could get a new one, Say the seller. I was suspected it turned out that the car a clone Deville body. (Not that convertible ) with all Eldorado Biaritz moldings and parts.
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | I assume if a professional restorer buys that CRL convertible for himself, he can calculate much different than if it would be a customers car. The same is valid when a hobby restorer restores it for himself. Then it has a fictive value only (in case there is absolutely no VIN at this car in question). I assume the acutal purchaser knows if there isVIN plate at (e.g.) the A pillar prior to increase the offer to 16k. Happy Restoring! Dieter |
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Location: Connecticut | I have seen a photo of the dataplate (with VIN number, as they were combined in '59) for this car, that was forwarded to me by an 'interested party'. The photo came from the Michigan owner. The person that sent me the photo may post it here if he wishes. Scott - I have no idea how many are left in this country, as they change hands from time to time. Ron |
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Location: Parts Unknown | You guys are funny .... what's it worth ?
Obviously, that answer is as varied as the number of people asked,
but clearly is is worth a lot more to those who really chase these cars
than it is to the typical hobbyist, unable (or willing) to do what it takes
to bring it back from the leaf pile.
My car is worth WAY more than I want it to be. High value means
high cost for parts. It means no one drives them anymore. Is there
another 58 Fireflite convertible left in the U.S., or have all of them
gone to Sweden ?
The upside of value is people start making parts that were theretofore
unobtainium. Like the recent thread about making trunk mats again.
If demand gets high enough, people start to think in ways that a low
demand item will not spur them to do. But it all comes at a cost of
vanishing them off the streets and just being seen as cool cars, not
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | hemidenis - 2016-12-20 2:54 PM
you can buy a really nice running Imperial 4dr with hemi 392 for 16k.. Other Dodges and Plymouth too. My fiend purchased an amazing 60 Desoto 4dr hardtop in immaculate original mint condition for lot less than 16k. The car was displayed at Carlisle as a survivor..
Yes but if this car was in the condition as those it would over 100K, what brings the money on a car like this is supply and demand, there are more people looking for one than there are for sale? To Jan this car is worth more to him as most of the work required can be done by himself which saves a considerable amount of money. |
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Location: Bjorneborg, Finland | I don't know how accurate it is, but NADA Guide Classic Car Prices lists a '59 Dodge CRL Conv for $16,5K in Low Retail value + 25% for D500 engine. The Dodge in subject is lower than the low retail, but Low Retail means vehicle would be in mechanically functional condition, needing only minor reconditioning. The exterior paint, trim and interior would show normal wear, needing only minor reconditioning. May also be a deteriorated restoration or a very poor amateur restoration. Mostly usable “as-is”.
This is 4 u Doc, NADA lists value for a '58 Fireflite Conv. to much higher scale, starting from $44,9K in low retail. |
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Whoever has the most realistic price image is Kelley Blue Book. NADA Guide can not keep pricing
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Location: little rock, AR | I talked to the Swede today that purchased this car. |
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Location: Northen Virginia | As I said before BigM is the only one I know who can give us an estimate to restore this car. Dodge experts may also know how much a car like this is realistically selling for.
Maybe i'm getting too old or I lost my 20's dream times of restoring cars from a pile of rust, but a car like purchased for any amount it is definitely an equivalent of signing my divorce decree...
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Location: Ontario, Canada | oldwood - 2016-12-20 10:03 PM
I talked to the Swede today that purchased this car.
I suppose this means I will have to send another complete 59 wiring harness to Sweden! I have pretty much run out of the many thousands of 58 and later OEM terminals that I purchased in the late 90s and have been obsolete for years!!
Place your order ASAP and I will see what I can do. Otherwise, you will have to place your order with one of those street rod outfits!!
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Location: Parts Unknown | Everyone knows how much I love 59 Dodges .... 
But if I were a business-minded car guy, I would much rather turn
up a warehouse full of 59 CR ragtops than any other FL car.
While some FL convertibles are in high demand, a seller could never
run out of buyers for 59 Dodge ragtops.
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Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado | oldwood - 2016-12-16 3:18 PM
I see that my question wasn't relevant to this thread. Does anyone have a complete emblem to re-pop to help others that need this part???
Post a fresh thread for your request, you'll get more traction. |
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Location: Whetstone, Arizona | hemidenis - 2016-12-20 8:18 PM
As I said before BigM is the only one I know who can give us an estimate to restore this car. Dodge experts may also know how much a car like this is realistically selling for.
Maybe i'm getting too old or I lost my 20's dream times of restoring cars from a pile of rust, but a car like purchased for any amount it is definitely an equivalent of signing my divorce decree...
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| I'm confused. What is still for sale for $20,000, the red 1959 Custom Royal Lancer convertible?
I have been in contact with the Swedish buyer and he has paid for the car already so if it "still" for sale there's something fishy going on. |
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| 57DODGECONV - 2016-12-26 10:34 AM
Where is this car advertised ?
MOPARS UNLIMITED on Facebook |
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| Moparbo - 2016-12-26 11:18 AM
I'm confused. What is still for sale for $20,000, the red 1959 Custom Royal Lancer convertible?
I have been in contact with the Swedish buyer and he has paid for the car already so if it "still" for sale there's something fishy going on.
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The banks do take their time when doing an international wire transfer unless you specifically ask them to do it as an Express wire transfer. It usually take 3-6 banking days to get paid to our account in Arizona from ever seas because the our bank sits on the money, if sent express it takes around 36 hours.
I know the Swedish buyer has wired the payment so we'll see how this ends then.
It is also interesting that the seller told me he wanted $10,000 for the Dodge, that was 2 weeks ago. I said I'd pay $10,000 since I have every last piece to restore the car here in Arizona. He never responded except for a week later I received some kind of religious message from him. You'd think he would respond to a potential buyer, especially if he does not get paid for the car and he want to sell it. |
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Location: little rock, AR | I was told by the guy in Sweden that he had it bought. I got that info late last week. Oh Lucy, you gots sum splainin to do!!!!
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Location: Parts Unknown | I remember this game all too well ... stories of forgotten convertibles in
someone's field or barn. LOTS of phone calls, LOTS of road trips, only to
discover the car was an Oldsmobile or a $#! Firesweep or 59 Mopar of any
type. That was when these were actually still out there in some quantity.
Finding them today would only be that much harder.
But it was the guy who jumped at every lead, made every follow up phone
call, got inthe car or on a plane who ultimately got the car he wanted.
Everyone else just sat on the sidelines, complained about possible cheats
and scammers, excessive prices, excessive cost to restore, whatever. Most
are still the guys who never did get the convertible they wanted and are still
the guys complaining that someone doesn't deliver the pristine original to
their door and offer to trade them straight across for a case of beer. 
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | oldwood - 2016-12-26 12:59 PM Oh Lucy, you gots sum splainin to do!!!!
LOL. One of my favourite phrases
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$20,000 for these incomplete ruins of an once desirable car? This guy should be paying somebody to remove it from his property!
If you are making an "investment" in a car, you should at least have to take some minimal care of the investment. A bare hint of effort!
It looks like the current owner bought it for $50 (maybe 50 cents) and towed it to the back 40 and didn't look at it for 30 years.
Now they want a blue chip $$$ return on it. Let the buyer beware!
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Location: Parts Unknown | You cheapskates are missing the point ...
This is a convertible, arguably the most desirable Forward
Look convertible ever built. A 1959 Dodge, a Custom Royal,
a convertible, a D500, it's red, AND it's loaded !
Go ahead and find another one in ANY condition at ANY price !
What a buyer gets with a car like this is parts, ... all the right
parts for building the "right" car. That is how these Swedes see
it, and that is why they have them all and think we Americans
are a bunch of sniveling whiners.
They get a blueprint of what was the correct way the factory
built a car like this, and they get the provenance, paperwork,
and tags to show it is not some fantasy, made-it-myself fraud.
Oh yeah, and it is a loaded red 1959 Custom Royal D500 convertible !
All it takes is skills many of us do not have, and the wherewithall
to see the project through, but when they are done with it, if will
be worth every penny spent and THEY will be the guy with the
unobtainium car. THAT is something putting a price on is impossible
to do. Play big or go home.
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Location: Lordstown, Ohio | Doctor DeSoto - 2016-12-26 8:58 PM
You cheapskates are missing the point ...
This is a convertible, arguably the most desirable Forward
Look convertible ever built. A 1959 Dodge, a Custom Royal,
a convertible, a D500, it's red, AND it's loaded !
Go ahead and find another one in ANY condition at ANY price !
What a buyer gets with a car like this is parts, ... all the right
parts for building the "right" car. That is how these Swedes see
it, and that is why they have them all and think we Americans
are a bunch of sniveling whiners.
They get a blueprint of what was the correct way the factory
built a car like this, and they get the provenance, paperwork,
and tags to show it is not some fantasy, made-it-myself fraud.
Oh yeah, and it is a loaded red 1959 Custom Royal D500 convertible !
All it takes is skills many of us do not have, and the wherewithall
to see the project through, but when they are done with it, if will
be worth every penny spent and THEY will be the guy with the
unobtainium car. THAT is something putting a price on is impossible
to do. Play big or go home.
DITTOO!!!!!!!! I have said it numerous times on here. IF key word is IF I did not find my Desoto vert I would be a contender. Its a mind set its just metal. and with metal you can do anything with it.
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Location: Lordstown, Ohio | 57DODGECONV - 2016-12-26 9:56 PM
Actually you are missing the point ,I am far from a cheapskate all I am saying is that if this car was to be restored / Recreated I would rather carefully remove all the salvageable pieces instead of trying to move this car and Damage anything .I wasn't saying it isn't a worthwhile or valuable car if restored .Your really not the only one in the USA that has many hours and efforts chasing cars and parts .They are not all overseas .
I agree with your point Dave. But for me i would take the whole thing. I would venture to say there are a vast majority of cheapsaktes out there thst want something for nothing. If tgey dont get it they whine uncontrollablly and when someone else buys a said item to resell to move further on ladder they cry more so. Everyone has the ability and means to get what ever they choose. There sqeaky wallets is what holds them back. And when someone grabs that deal. Only to resell to fund thier car then they become bad guy???? Just as we talked in past. Ive bought and resold to fund my cars and still will. Just as numerous others do |
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convertible, we would likely discover more of any given type exist in in
Sweden or neighboring countries than remain in the U.S. Of the six cars
like mine, four of the six are overseas.
Secondly, if the cheapskate shoe fits, then so be it. I am not pointing
fingers at one person. Just those who cry about this being a $50 piece
of junk. Meanwhile those who truly value such cars end up with them
all.
I can guarantee that if this car were parted out in place, the hulk left
to rot away or scrapped, one would soon discover the mistake they made
in doing so, either because little detail parts were left on the car, or the
ability to go back to the hulk to reference how something was constructed
was lost forever.
I am sure Jan or Wayne will back me up on this ... learning body construction
and metal fabrication skills is beyond the reach of no one. Unlike brain surgery,
if you botch the seam or weld, you just cut it off and start over. Repeat the
process 11,000 times and you have a car ready for chrome and upholstery !
We Americans are spoiled and ungrateful for what we think should be both
cheap and easy. If it is not, we complain like little princesses. It is a mindset.
When I realized there would never be an easy (or cheap) 58 Fireflite convertible
to be found (in MY lifetime), it was just a matter of adjusting the paradigm to
what it was going to take to get one before they were all locked up in collector's
hands and so pricey I could not afford one. I paid WAY TOO MUCH for my rust
bucket (according to everyone in the car scene around me), but you know what ?
This talk sounds all too familiar AND I have the car and everyone else is still
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My problem is the seller is playing games, taking offers and saying sold and then backing out(if that's actually him on facebook)...
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