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d500dodge59
Posted 2016-12-27 2:32 AM (#529831 - in reply to #529827)
Subject: Re: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500


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I was the firsty to talk to the owner and made a deal he should get his money when he had wheels on it and deliver the car to my frend in michigan .This was a done deal. Then the second swedish buyer whit some caind of thunnelvision seeing on only himself jumt in and start to rice the bids. He start to try to forse me to jump of " his deal" and not destroy for him. So i told him i dont need to do that he handled that good himself and i recomend him to dra back his founds. He told me to go and f**k myself not a chanse so i could jump in and steel"his deal". So i told him that sellers name + google = is wery intrested reading so the last ten days i just leen back here and watch the rise and fall of his moneytransaction..........But the first man with cash and trailer will own this car. JAN
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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-27 9:29 AM (#529839 - in reply to #528612)
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Like Jan says, I think this is one of those deals where you need to be there to buy the car, turn up with a trailer buy the car and load it there and then, it's almost impossible to buy cars like this dealing from other countries, time consuming and frustrating, I still think a 20K the car a good buy, but overseas buyers that would probably push it upto the 30K mark when shipping costs and taxes are put on top of it?
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hemidenis
Posted 2016-12-27 10:53 AM (#529842 - in reply to #528612)
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Gosh, I would said that our European friends really like theses cars, trying to buy a rust bucket like this one from another part of the world, have them delivered to somewhere else first and then to Sweden.... Just to find out moths later when the car finally arrived that you have years if not decades of work ahead of you.. You need more than one human life time to deal with cars like these.

Doc, 20k? no engine few part salvageable? Even Big M with a whole junkyard to his disposal and vast knowledge took him almost 20 years to complete the task...How much this 59 would take?

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big m
Posted 2016-12-27 12:37 PM (#529846 - in reply to #528612)
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The seller of this car seems like a slimy individual, I really hope he's not playing games with the fellow that has wired the money. Bad enough that he keeps jacking the price up after a deal was made.

---John
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ronbo97
Posted 2016-12-27 1:05 PM (#529847 - in reply to #529846)
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Good luck with the 'cash and trailer' thing. The car is likely frozen into the ground and won't be moveable until March or April. Agree with Big M. I would not deal with this slimeball seller even if it was the last one on earth.

Ron

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2016-12-27 3:12 PM (#529849 - in reply to #529847)
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If I was out of the country, and I had a friend in the USA, I would have told him to go to the bank or use a credit
card and get the money any way possible, and I would pay any fees, JUST GO GET THE CAR NOW.
(Take some heaters with you, or rent some). Just get that car out of there.

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carmikael
Posted 2016-12-27 3:39 PM (#529850 - in reply to #529849)
Subject: Re: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500



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Yes,just what i thought.
Hope the guy that bought the car and wired money have some good Connections over there.

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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-27 7:32 PM (#529864 - in reply to #529847)
Subject: Re: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500


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ronbo97 - 2016-12-27 6:05 PM

Good luck with the 'cash and trailer' thing. The car is likely frozen into the ground and won't be moveable until March or April. Agree with Big M. I would not deal with this slimeball seller even if it was the last one on earth.

Ron



At one time you might have thought differently, just thinking back to a snow filled 59 Dodge convertible being dragged onto a flatbed?

In this modern day society if you don't get up and do it yourself , no one's going to help you unless you have lots of cash, the way things are going if you want to see a 50's convertible you will be taking a trip to Scandinavia? Think they have the most 59 eldorado convertibles as well?
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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-27 7:39 PM (#529868 - in reply to #528612)
Subject: Re: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500


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Ron what happened to the Finland Gazette, there was some good restoration pictures etc on there of you're convertible?
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-12-27 9:43 PM (#529879 - in reply to #529847)
Subject: Re: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500



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ronbo97 - 2016-12-28 10:05 AM

Good luck with the 'cash and trailer' thing. The car is likely frozen into the
ground and won't be moveable until March or April. Agree with Big M. I would
not deal with this slimeball seller even if it was the last one on earth.

Ron



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I was this way before I did my time with the USMC, but they
only reinforced and refined the tactics

They use terms like "overwhelming force" and "hit them hard,
hurt them fast, get it over with".

If a person really wants something, be that a car, a house, any
object of limited supply, you "train" for the fight, and when the
door opens, you do exactly as the Marines suggest.

Not only *would* I do this, I DID do this when it came to the
cars I own ... I verify it is there, and then I am on their front
porch with cash in hand and trailer/equipment in the driveway
to get that thing off the property before anything can go sideways.

These opportunities pop up very infrequently and any serious
buyer has to be locked and loaded and ready to pull the trigger.
As the saying goes, "money talks, bullsh!t walks".

If extricating that car from the earth means a 30K front loader
and a half ton of C4, so be it. Hit the problem with overwhelming
force and be heading back to camp before anything can go wrong.

Either that, or we are just another whiner looky-loo, more interested
in complaining about how the world doesn't come to them on a silver
platter. Meanwhile the hit-'em'-hard team is in there with heavy
equipment loading the car out, bill of sale in hand. That is life on
the Serengeti Plain, eat or be eaten.

If showing up with cash and equipment doesn't work, nothing will.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-12-27 10:18 PM (#529883 - in reply to #529842)
Subject: Re: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500



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hemidenis - 2016-12-28 7:53 AM

Gosh, I would said that our European friends really like theses cars, trying to buy a rust bucket like this one from another part of the world, have them delivered to somewhere else first and then to Sweden.... Just to find out moths later when the car finally arrived that you have years if not decades of work ahead of you.. You need more than one human life time to deal with cars like these.

Doc, 20k? no engine few part salvageable? Even Big M with a whole junkyard to his disposal and vast knowledge took him almost 20 years to complete the task...How much this 59 would take?


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It's all in how bad a person wants something. Any rusty car is going
to take X amount of hours. Work on it 8 hours a day or work on it every
3rd weekend, the hours can take 1 year or 20.

Another factor of "How badly do you want it?" is what this car is. Kinda
of ironic I'd be making these comments about my most despised Forward
Look car, but there really is no more hotly sought after Forward Look car
that this one, as built. It has EVERYTHING going for it that more people
want that any other finned Mopar .... it's just a fact ! Where would a person
who wants one of these ever find another ? And at what price, either up
front or years spent restoring it ?

A decent 2 door sedan or hardtop would make 80% of the problem go
away. All the critical parts look to be there. An engine is the easiest part
to replace.
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hemidave
Posted 2016-12-27 11:54 PM (#529886 - in reply to #528612)
Subject: RE: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500



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When the going gets tough, the tough get going. I would also make it a point to dig out beside and underneath as much as possible to retrieve it INTACT. I'm sure guys like Magnus and Bo, who could work on it full time, would get it done in a reasonable amount of time. Take lots of photos documenting all aspects. After taking it apart,save everything possible, and rebuild the car with original rust free panels. Sure, it depends how much money you have, or want to spend, but if you can't find another one to purchase, then go for it. Especially a 59 D500 conv with pw and ac. If the final value is $150-200K, deduct the restoration cost ( 100-125), and you are in range. I once found a 69 Hemi GTX 4 speed conv ( 1 of 5 built) in a WV junkyard. I had the kid who found it hire a bulldozer and ramp truck. They had to move refrigerators, 54 Ford pickups, and anything else in the way, get the car out, then put everything back per order of the yard owner. Job done!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2016-12-28 1:05 PM (#529920 - in reply to #529886)
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Doc, you have a built in contradiction up there. If this is the ultimate desirable car as built, that is fine. The engine being the easiest thing to replace seems like the contradiction. If the value of this car is written in the data plate and the VIN, then it seems like someone who values those details would also value a numbers matching drive train. This car doesn't have it (as far as I know).

Dave, that numbers-matching problem might throw a big wrench into the final value estimates, I'd guess. That could make this a much more risky proposition - if the buyer was in it to make money.

Luckily, I don't have to worry about it. Somebody with deeper pockets gets to make that call. Does this one have factory AC? The under dash unit looks aftermarket to me.

Edited by Lancer Mike 2016-12-28 1:19 PM
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hemidave
Posted 2016-12-28 2:47 PM (#529924 - in reply to #529920)
Subject: RE: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500



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Lancer Mike - 2016-12-28 1:05 PM


Dave, that numbers-matching problem might throw a big wrench into the final value estimates, I'd guess. That could make this a much more risky proposition - if the buyer was in it to make money.

That's true Mike, thus the variation of final values. With muscle cars, I think the #s matching drivetrain is more important to a lot of buyers, whereas the 1950's car buyers seem to put less value on that, especially if it is a very rare and desirable vehicle. Of course there are exceptions. With Corvettes the #s are more important, and a lot of manufacturers did not stamp in the VIN #s on the block until a certain year. On a rare 1950's Ford, for example, I would want the original data plate for an "E" or "F" code, or a '56 Crown Victoria glass top. In this case, the data plate is very important. As far as frame #s, the main frame is most likely too rotted to use anyways, except for the X member.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-12-28 8:57 PM (#529961 - in reply to #529924)
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In 1959, all B-blocks were "corporate". A 383 would be stamped M-83 or
M-383, followed by a sequence number for production. There was no "numbers
matching" business. Finding roughly corresponding casting number-dated
pieces could produce a correctly coded engine for a car like this. It is no
problem to find this stuff with a little patience networking.

If anyone has faced what I did in building my Adventurer - missing all convertible
parts except frame and sheetmetal, PW, PS, Adventurer trim, drivetrain, ...
putting together a simple 59 B-block 383 w/4bbl (or even dual quads) is not
that daunting.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-12-28 9:01 PM (#529962 - in reply to #529961)
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What interests me about this car, and any exceptional car like this, is:

How did it come to be a flower pot in the back hedge row ?

There has always got to be an interesting story behind these situations.
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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-28 10:00 PM (#529965 - in reply to #529962)
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I think by numbers matching , is engine for that car, on my 58 it has a L-350 block with a 361 casting number and the engine number is stamped in 2 places on the frame? So this would need a similar vintage 383, with casting number either 1851729 or 2568130 looks to be ok for 59 use, old number could be either soldered and restamped or left if no number shows on IBM card?

Edited by springsweptwing 2016-12-28 10:02 PM
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2016-12-28 11:04 PM (#529968 - in reply to #529965)
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springsweptwing - 2016-12-28 10:00 PM

I think by numbers matching , is engine for that car, on my 58 it has a L-350 block with a 361 casting number and the engine number is stamped in 2 places on the frame? So this would need a similar vintage 383, with casting number either 1851729 or 2568130 looks to be ok for 59 use, old number could be either soldered and restamped or left if no number shows on IBM card?


Paul, the numbers that you showed for your car, in my opinion, are what will add considerable value to your Regal when finished. Knowing your amazing attention to detail, the numbers will just be a great stepping stone!!

As pointed out here the best news is that this is just a Dodge that shares just about all other numbered parts with many, many other Dodges.

The potential problem here of course is the buyer must get the VIN/body plate, title (or whatever you need to get one in MI) and bill of sale. Sounds like this might be tough!!

Greg

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2016-12-28 11:22 PM (#529970 - in reply to #529965)
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springsweptwing - 2016-12-28 8:00 PM

I think by numbers matching , is engine for that car, on my 58 it has a L-350 block with a 361 casting number and the engine number is stamped in 2 places on the frame? So this would need a similar vintage 383, with casting number either 1851729 or 2568130 looks to be ok for 59 use, old number could be either soldered and restamped or left if no number shows on IBM card?


For 1958, the engine number shows on the punch card and decode from Chrysler Historical. I don't know about 1959, but if you get a copy of the punch card for a 1958 Dodge, you can compare it to the engine stamping to see if that is the engine that came with the car or not.
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Chrys 68
Posted 2016-12-30 3:08 PM (#530056 - in reply to #529962)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2016-12-29 3:01 AM

What interests me about this car, and any exceptional car like this, is:

How did it come to be a flower pot in the back hedge row ?

There has always got to be an interesting story behind these situations.



Every crime scene hides a story. Here is enough material for a movie or a novel.
To be continued next year ...

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w.weiland
Posted 2017-01-14 7:45 PM (#531373 - in reply to #528612)
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What's up with this car
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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2017-01-18 7:29 AM (#531644 - in reply to #528612)
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IMHO this car could pop up at this forum when it's at a customer or under process at a professional restorer (customer most probably the biggest secret).

Dieter



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1958firemite
Posted 2017-01-22 12:05 AM (#531979 - in reply to #528612)
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any update with this car.
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sidesho_bob1961
Posted 2017-03-04 2:35 PM (#535160 - in reply to #531979)
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So, whatever became of this rot bucket?
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Moparbo
Posted 2017-03-06 8:41 PM (#535313 - in reply to #528612)
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I spoke to the buyer last week and the Dodge has been picked up and is on the way to Sweden.
Bo.
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w.weiland
Posted 2020-10-18 8:29 AM (#604578 - in reply to #535313)
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Well 3 years have past. what/where is status of this ride
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