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TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | Some of you may know this car. I hear it has been around for a while with the last owner trying to sell it. I needed a car to make a show car out of, something that turns heads and makes a departure from the rest. I've always wanted a '57 Fury, but the thought of yet another Christine car made me think twice about getting one. Although without a doubt it was the movie that made me want to have one. When I contacted the owner he told me it was a 2 door POST car. And I never reallly got any good photos of it before I purchased it. I seriously rolled the dice on this, but the price was low enough for me so I took the gamble. It's a 2 door Hardtop, with electric windows all round. The body is solid and has had care taken to remove rust etc. The panels are amazingly straight, I know a lot of these slab sided 50's cars can be wavy down the sides, but this is really good. Plus it had been painted in a Dodge color from 2012 I believe. So it does not look like every other resto 57 out there. I'm kind of OK with the paint, but I am going to color sand it and hit it again just to make sure it is as good as possible. I am need of the original grille and headlight trim/buckets. I am ditching the Mercedes E90 lights the builder put in (the guy who owned it previous to the guy I purchased it from). I am not sure what he was thinking, but it does not work. So I'm taking it back to original-ish! I am planning that the inner 2 lights will be intakes for a turbo. Or at least look fairly hight tech type of intakes. The interior is empty. But the dash has been redone in black leather with orange stitching. I will probably reverse the colors for the headliner, doing an orange leather with black stitching. The car is on air suspension. But I'm going to change the system to a ride-tech one. The one in there at the moment could probably lift a bus! It is overkill. Rear end is Ford 9", with a 4 link setup. I'll most likely leave it that way for now. The engine going in this has not been decided yet. We are only aiming at about 750 to 850 HP. But options are open as to how we get there.
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mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | Welcome! and thanks for saving that car from that sad horrid front end..
We being on the internet will critique your work with a fine wine and some cheese :) so it better be good!
yeah I think a lot of us were like daaaaammmmmnnnnn :wince: when we saw those head lights. And there is a lot of value in that body work and two door hard top body, I think he started out at 30 then down to 22 ... and i'm sure you got a deal. Most of us buyers here wrote it off, I guess the seller gave up and took whatever he could for it. Its a clean body with new paint though. Sounds like a good project. Watch out though the angry old guys here will screan "PUT IT BACK TO STOCK! :madman: "... so I hope you have thick skin
Its shown up for sale on this board probably 3 times... here is one time.
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=59755 Edited by mikes2nd 2016-12-12 3:34 PM | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | I did not know he started that high..! I paid 12 for it! LOL | ||
SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | Glad that beast is in good hands now, Zoran! Looking forward to your improvements. Pete | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | 12k is a great price for a super clean completed body and all the other goodies. Most of the people here were probably "too expensive to restore to stock" to start out at the 15-22 he was at last. most here would restore to stock, and wouldn't have the heart to destroy that nice paint job. I would get the dual 58 head lights on it, put a grill on it(paint those black again I guess or body color match?). Put a gold V on the grill ... The gold V would really accent off the black. Actually maybe gold and black and orange color... I would probably go black and gold fury emblems. Paint the rims gold? I am not a fan of huge blacked out rim, they just disappear and look like someone lost their hubcaps When I see black painted rims... I think https://corollaswithouthubcaps.wordpress.com/tag/missing-hubcaps/ The lower grill is body color painted and the upper grill is black? fix that at least. | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | oh and you might want to get a set of bumper wings off ebay, the fiberglass would be fine and paint them black | ||
big m |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Sounds like you're going in a good direction with this Savoy. I, too, wonder why those awful lights were chosen by the builder, just seems totally out of place. I have the grills and headlight buckets and such available, too. ---John | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 854 | Nice project it will be nice to see the front end returned to a normal looking 57 Plymouth ,I really like the simple 57 savoy side trim it has,Good luck with the project .John at Big M auto is a great source for parts for this Savoy . | ||
1961plymouthfury |
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Expert Posts: 2633 Location: Minor Hill, TN | When I seen the front of the car I was like what the hell but above comment is right put it back the way it was when it 1st rolled off the assembly line back in 1956 | ||
The Chrysler Kid |
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Expert Posts: 1384 Location: Ocala, Florida | Great to see it is in good hands and will have her nose returned to normal! | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 360 | keep the brakes, 4 link, 9 inch, etc. Fix the front end is my opinion. This is obviously a custom rod so to reverse it will cost a lot. Put a hemi in it since originality is out the window. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 494 Location: Alberta | In reading the info provided some Hot Rodder did not get the memo before he emptied his wallet. The torsion bar suspension design for these cars was set up with the differential set 1/2 inch forward of centre so combined with the the front torsion bars under excelloration the force moves the differential into centre line positioning, gaining traction and preventing "wheel hop" something GM never quite understood thusly the GM Lovers came up with the aftermarket 4 Link when they finally got some HP. That's my opinion I'm sure this Tid Bit will make you laugh but this changed the world for Chrysler to bad a former GM Executive spoiled most of it in 1960. I Love the Black Chrome I was considering it my 57 Coronet 2DR Sedan Everyone loves a Knight in Shining Armour Edited by RUSTORICHES 2016-12-13 10:34 PM | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | HI all. Thanks for all the comments. I'll try and reply to those that made suggestions, if I miss you out don't worry the suggestion was noted and appreciated. Just a comment on the 4 link rear. Since this is a Ford 9 inch that has obviously been modded for air suspension, the 4 link was the way to go. It is setup fine. But we will see how it really goes once we go through the geometry a little more closely early next year. This is my 48th Mopar! And my first forward look. But I'm pretty well up to speed on why torsion suspension is awesome Edited by TekHousE 2016-12-15 11:16 AM | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | looks like you got some bends in the front bumper and lower grill to fix also... I dunno man those "holes" need addressed. I would paint it or put trim on that matches upstairs with the down stairs...
Gad those headlights...WHO in their right mind thought that was okay>???????? bumper wings are 499$ in fiberglass plus 100 $ shipping. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-1958-PLYMOUTH-FRP-BUMPER-WINGS-COMPLET... Edited by mikes2nd 2016-12-15 11:25 AM | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | That entire lower valance is going to need panel work. Somewhere between California and Tampere, Finland, somebody dragged it out or into a container with no air in the front..It is the only damage done during transport luckily. It always happens. This is what 5 to 6 weeks in a container will do to a car. Yeah those holes..Was there supposed to be trim covering those bars too? I was not sure about that. What did it look like originally? And back to those lights..Yeah..Awful. The problem is they person who did them also altered the stone deflectors big time. In fact you can see that there is NO MORE join between the deflectors and the upper part of the light housing. So I am trying to get a pair of those stock deflectors now. Then I will just cut the lights out. Straighten the bottom edge and put the stock deflectors back on. Luckily he did not smooth the top of the fender, the holes for the original trim are still present. I have a few leads on the original buckets for the lights too. Edited by TekHousE 2016-12-15 11:49 AM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | lower grill has aluminum polished bars that use clips that go in those holes. Fury had gold with a white V. Belv had opposite coloring (1958_plymouth_belvedere__fury_christine_clone_8_lgw.jpg) (ebay834833.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1958_plymouth_belvedere__fury_christine_clone_8_lgw.jpg (450KB - 202 downloads) ebay834833.jpg (177KB - 202 downloads) | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | Thanks helps a lot..And raises a new challenge. I see that the headlight TRIM housing (don't know what else to call it) but the part that inserts and lines the actual fender hole for the lights. Kind of is designed to sweep into the trim piece lining the hood lower lip. That is going to prove to be challenging, my car does nto have that hood lip trim now. But putting the twin lights back in I am going to need those inserts to the fender, right? | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | yes you put those headlight trims in, you'll need the hood lip trim also(those can get expensive fortunately they were on 4 doors also). the headlights are lined up with mounting points on the fender(a flat sheet metal area). Those can be redone however you want. You will need the lower panels, the "behind the light" ones can be fabbed fairly easily since they are pretty much flat. the trim is actually separate from the light but has to line up due to the "notch" for the turn signal at the top. 57 light didn't have the notch in the light trim, its cleaner for your design. (1957-belvedere-36b-001.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1957-belvedere-36b-001.jpg (264KB - 192 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | Here is a beautiful 57... gold grill looks good with a gold V? instead of the ship sails.? (front.jpg) Attachments ---------------- front.jpg (336KB - 197 downloads) | ||
58 DESOTOS RULE |
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Expert Posts: 2308 Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | I'm glad you're going to ditch those awful Mercedes-Benz headlights. It really brings the car down in my view. Putting a stock 1957 Plymouth face on it wouild be an improvement and I'm sure you can put halogen bulbs in it rather than the old style sealed beams for modern cruising after dark. I personally like the color but I might consider going back to chrome - at least for the bumpers. Edited by 58 DESOTOS RULE 2016-12-15 6:49 PM | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Contact Big M for all your front end metal needs. It is common to all but Plazas (they use painted steel instead of aluminum for some of the trim bits). No real unobtainium here. Someone really had a serious case of SFB Syndrome that greenlighted that headlight idea. WOW ! | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | OK Guys! I have the stone deflectors now, won them on ebay. And a guy in Norway had the grill, light surround trims etc. Should be on their way soon. And I also purchased the fiberglass bumper wings set from ebay as well! I know what to do with the area behind the grill, that is easily fabbed/hidden. I have an easy away and a hard way to do it. The easy way would be to create a backing plate that goes directly behind (read touching) the grill right below each headlight pair. Yes I lose the 'depth' of the original, but I might be able to get away with this for a show car. Once we are done with the shows etc. I can fab some real solution that is closer to original. That way the next owner of the car will not have to worry about it. | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | deflectors are harder to find. Grills are fairly abundant. I saw that front trim on ebay. | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | Update. I am still on the fence about changing the lights. I have most of the stock 57 front end parts. I have, grille, headlight surrounds and the headlight bucket for the main headlight pair, plus the inboard smaller parking light lenses. As much as i want to go back to the original it is way harder to do it now. It's not just because of the single light having been fitted, it's also the chrome trim that attaches to the fender itself. I don't have that yet, but even if I do that part continues onto the hood, and on my car that trim piece is no longer needed. Right now as much as I hate to say it. The Merc lights might stay for this season. But we are looking at fabbing the new grille I have so that it covers the light at the lower portion. It will look better. But I need to photoshop it first before I start cutting up a perfectly good grille. Stay tuned. Bumper wings turned up and they look amazing. And the stone deflectors are in great shape so worst case scenario, I fix the entire front end look after this season. | ||
mikes2nd |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | yeah it looks like they did a ton of damage to get those headlights in... I think in the end you have to do it man... they just look horrible. | ||
soiouz |
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Expert Posts: 3480 Location: Montreal, Canada | mikes2nd - 2017-01-22 10:49 AM yeah it looks like they did a ton of damage to get those headlights in... I think in the end you have to do it man... they just look horrible. I agree with Mike here. I know I couldn't keep those horrendous bug eyes, no matter the amount of work involved.. Edited by soiouz 2017-01-22 11:00 AM | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | I do agree..But just to recap. This season the car is a promo for my new business and my mechanics business. Show it, stir the scene a bit here etc. . We will sell it eventually, and before that happens it will be back to normal. Oh, but the good news is...We are putting a HEMI in it right from the start. We both agreed the diesel was not going to do it justice. What was the most powerful engine the 57's could have? I need horsepower for an original or OPTIONAL engine. That is how they work out the capacity of anything we put in it now for road registration over here. Edited by TekHousE 2017-01-22 12:14 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 1740 Location: Alaska | The hottest engine available in 57 Plymouth Furys was a 318 with dual 4 barrels rated at 290 HP. Not sure if you could get that in other body styles. In 58 you could also get a 350 with dual 4 barrels rated at 305 HP. ( not counting fuel injection) | ||
1961plymouthfury |
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Expert Posts: 2633 Location: Minor Hill, TN | If I were to have a '57 or a '58 plymouth . I would not want any changes on the front of the car I would want it the way it came off the assembly line. It also must have the original engine. If it has been overhauled that is ok but if its been swapped out I do not want the car. Here is a photo of my '57 sorry about the way the photo looks it was taken back in 1985 Edited by 1961plymouthfury 2017-01-23 12:49 AM (Berdine Christine's older cousin.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Berdine Christine's older cousin.jpg (19KB - 194 downloads) | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | 1961plymouthfury - 2017-01-22 7:37 AM If I were to have a '57 or a '58 plymouth . I would not want any changes on the front of the car I would want it the way it came off the assembly line. It also must have the original engine. If it has been overhauled that is ok but if its been swapped out I do not want the car. Here is a photo of my '57 sorry about the way the photo looks it was taken back in 1985 This is not the thread for you then..Sorry. I don't see why I need that info mate? You can clearly see this is not that type of car. | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | Guys. We got word from the authorities here in Finland. It is way better news. So it works like this. For the Savoy I can choose to base the calculation of horsepower on ANY available engine that Plymouth could use spanning 1957 to 1959. From there there is a calc. done on SAE HP, multiplied by 0.9, then that new HP figure can have 20% added to it. From what I can tell, the highest HP engine in 1959 that could have been in a Plymouth would be the 413 cubic inch big block. Is this correct? Does anyone know if there was a larger HP output engine in 59? What we are trying to do is end at a high enough gross horsepower that allows us to use the 5.7 Hemi in the Savoy. That get's the car passed through inspection and registered BEFORE we add a procharger or any other power adder. Once it is registered we can do what we like. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9648 Location: So. Cal | So they don't care about torque??? Typical bureaucratic BS. Unfortunately, the 413 wasn't available in the Plymouth. The best you could get is the 395 golden commando engine, which was a 361 with 305 hp and 395 ft-lbs of torque. This doesn't include a dual quad option. It is unclear if the dual quad was offered on the '59 Plymouth. But the dual quad 361 in the '59 Dodge was rated at 320 hp. http://www.59plymouth.net/showcase/dualquad.html Also the '58 fuel injected 350 motor was rated at 315 hp so you could definitely use that, and that is not much less than the Dodge version. Edited by Powerflite 2017-01-23 12:17 PM | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | Thanks! | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 520 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado | I'll say it, as much as i'm not a huge fan of the lights, i think they will go over well for you since its a promo and also since you are in Europe. People will maybe recognize them which is a plus for you as a promo. Also not messing with the headlights means you don't have to repaint it, which saves a lot of time and money. The hemi will be a nice touch. Enjoy the car! | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | Yeah. I know..the lights. I get it. I agree. But think of this car as having a 'this season' look and then we dig in and fix it later. Well unless someone buys it from me at the show. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 520 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado | Roll with it man, i totally understand, I wasn't giving you hard time for them. I actually think they work well for your business case for the vehicle. They get peoples attention, thats what you want in a promo vehicle. | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | OK..Update.. The lights are definitely getting fixed. Well I can say that the e90 lights will be diced. The area will be smoothed into a curve with a small hole for the electrics of the new lights. I am putting the stock 'look' light bezels back, but they will be populated with LED projector lights and RGB halos. I am certain that purists are not going to be happy. But as has been established this is a promo car. It will hark back to the original front end form, but with modern function. Fenders and stone guards are ONE piece now. The original builder actually did a pretty nice job of integrating those 2 parts. We don't want to mess with it as it looks really clean and smooth now. I will take the fenders off this week, wrap them in lots of bubble wrap and get them off to be modded and the inside areas repainted. (IMG_0073.jpg) Attachments ---------------- IMG_0073.jpg (189KB - 186 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | I have no idea what the guy who built that was thinking... Like "hmm how can I make it look as bad as possible?"... | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | OK update.. One fender off this afternoon. Ran out of time will do the other one tomorrow. Say goodbye to those lights folks! (20170226_163133~2.jpg) (20170226_163151~2.jpg) (20170226_164210~2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20170226_163133~2.jpg (290KB - 186 downloads) 20170226_163151~2.jpg (206KB - 197 downloads) 20170226_164210~2.jpg (270KB - 191 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 854 | Best thing you could do for that car Loose the Lights ,Good work!!! | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | All wrapped up waiting to go to panel and paint.. Edited by TekHousE 2017-02-27 4:47 PM (16990684_10154133116742447_1678653310_o.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 16990684_10154133116742447_1678653310_o.jpg (197KB - 188 downloads) | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | OK, been a while that I updated this.. The front lower grille section and the 2 left and right lower valances were destroyed by the transporters, so now these areas are metal worked and will be painted soon. We have a local Finnish company that makes proprietry flat panel touch screens with custom programming, that integrates into trucks, and other heavy duty vehicles. They are coopoerating with me now, I will make a kind of similar interface like on the new Hellcat control panel, but with old school looking buttons etc. This system is programmed in C, so it is really robust and is on the instant power is turned on to the car, i.e. when unlocking the doors etc. This is going to be trick! My custom seats are being made. These are also going to be really unique, in fact what we are doing with how we are installign them, is something I have never seen done before. I am paying serious homage to the forward look with these seats..You will see once we are done. Teh console is all custom made by me and anothe guy. The headliner will be like in a new car, so hard against the roof. And it will be in 3 pieces, but the middle section will mirror the floor console running the length of the car. And the middle of the headliner section is dropped down a few millmeters and the gap is lit with side emit LED. So it will glow on the roof when teh door opens. It will fade up to full bright and when you start the car it will fade back like in a new car. Engine is a worrying me a bit. We have one on its way, but apparently it is stuck in Germany now. I have a backup 5.7 coming out of a 2009 Chrysler 300 in Estonia that we can buy at the right price.. (36582959465_4138901fed_z.jpg) (36582959685_0d1ffe8568_z.jpg) (36445209261_d8aa20cc54_z.jpg) (35773516403_625307bebf_z.jpg) (36536524936_e20a084ab4_z.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 36582959465_4138901fed_z.jpg (96KB - 194 downloads) 36582959685_0d1ffe8568_z.jpg (97KB - 183 downloads) 36445209261_d8aa20cc54_z.jpg (94KB - 160 downloads) 35773516403_625307bebf_z.jpg (77KB - 172 downloads) 36536524936_e20a084ab4_z.jpg (89KB - 166 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | Its good progress though, sucks about the shipper damage. Any other emblems going back on it? besides maybe the V? Going to be an amazing car when done. Edited by mikes2nd 2017-08-15 9:46 AM | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | The side rear SAVOY badges are going back..but with a cool twist..I will post that once we are done with them.. The 'V' is going back on to the front..I have a Gold one that is a resin repro I got from a guy on Facebook. | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | Just another little update..Interior is starting to take shape. And the 'V' are the steel pieces that will be featured as inserted into each of the 4 seats we are also custom making..:) (20967844_1324375130993163_693040584_o.jpg) (20170818_232339.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20967844_1324375130993163_693040584_o.jpg (203KB - 160 downloads) 20170818_232339.jpg (273KB - 170 downloads) | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | Teaser video for the run up to the show later this month. Seems like you cannot embed video here..? This is the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=okV_M4Kb2Uc Edited by TekHousE 2017-09-10 9:48 AM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | not working | ||
TekHousE |
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Regular Posts: 50 | I can't get it to work either. The post about how to link youtube videos does not work anymore I guess.. Nothing I can do. Sorry..Try copying and pasting the link below, that is from youtube. youtube.com/watch?v=okV_M4Kb2Uc | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6498 Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okV_M4Kb2Uc https://youtu.be/okV_M4Kb2Uc <iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/okV_M4Kb2Uc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> https://youtu.be/okV_M4Kb2Uc?t=8 Edited by mstrug 2017-09-10 4:27 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 3480 Location: Montreal, Canada | Did you get my parts? | ||
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