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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900     Location: Lower Mainland BC | My 56 Custom Royal D-500 has power steering (pump is driven off the back of the generator). The "fan" belt that drives this is actually 2 V-belts belts, as shown below. I took the belts off my car to install a NOS water pump and instead of reinstalling the old belts (look pretty good), I wanted new belts. The old belts say "Modac 189 25-14233" which, when I google that, nothing comes up. Nada. Zilch So I took the old belts to my local LORDCO (think PepBoys or O'Reilly). They had a Gates belt measuring device and it came up as a "1560". Not sure what happened exactly but I ended up with 2 AC-Delco "Professsional" belts 15560 (88934361) (I think he said they don't actually carry Gates belts). Specs pn the 15560 AC-Delco belts say 13/32" x 56 5/8". I put them on but now I am not sure if I want to run AC-Delco on a Mopar product. Doesn't seem right.  I googled Gates 1560 and it come up with: Outside Circumference (In): 56 Inch Outside Circumference (mm): 1422mm Top Width (mm): 10mm Width (In): 3/8 Inch REF: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/GAT5/1560/N1573.oap?ck=Sea... The15560 AC-Delco belts just barely went on so I am not sure how a 56 inch Gates 1560 would work. Any thoughts/options that I should consider? This photo is an example 56 D-500 photo (with PS and two belts). Edited by 56D500boy 2016-11-04 1:53 AM (ExampleD500EnginePhoto.jpg) Attachments ----------------  ExampleD500EnginePhoto.jpg (128KB - 201 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Found a few cross-references here (including a couple of MOPAR PNs if they are still around): http://www.kakapart.com/oem/partscrossinterchange/gm-88934361.html ACDelco 15560 MOPAR BH204 MOPAR BH198 MOPAR B15565A MOPAR B0015565 MOPAR B0013566 I've checked a couple of these Mopar PNs and they don't seem right.  | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 60 dart - 2016-11-04 4:27 AM Take some thinner and wipe the Delco off ------------------------------------------------later LOL Yeh that would work too. (Thanks)  | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | StillOutThere - 2016-11-04 11:31 AM I have an old parts house Gates catalog. The belt listed for your 315 with power steering and no AC is # 7565 with two required. The XL (heavy duty) belt interchange is # 8565. This was printed in 1990. I'm sure the part numbers have been updated but any good parts house should be able to work with them. Unfortunately this particular book does not have an explanation page as to what their part numbers mean in dimensions. finsruskw - 2016-11-04 2:08 PM If you can come up with an original OEM number, I have an old NAPA cross reference book I can run it through. Good luck! Thanks guys. From the 1956 Chryco parts book I have (which does include D500 parts - sometimes), on pg 7-13 (Group 7B) there are two confusing choices for a D63: 1673650 - Belt - Fan & Gen. with P.S. - with 40 Amp. Gen. (no mention of D500) 1672623 - Belt - Fan & Gen. - U.S. built - with 40 Amp. Gen. - D63-1 - D63-500 (no mention of PS)  | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | finsruskw - 2016-11-04 7:21 PM 1673650 crosses to NAPA 25-13903 1672623 crosses to NAPA 25-14233 This from a 1985 X reference NAPA master book. Hope this helps some. Thanks. It did. (Sort of :)) I contacted a local NAPA store with those numbers and they came up dry. *HOWEVER*, the guy on the phone asked me for the details of my application and came up with a NAPA 257565 which is 57.08" long x .41" wide (when you select PS but no A/C). (The AC Delco ones I bought yesterday are 13/32" (= 0.40625" so the same) wide x 56 5/8" (slightly shorter or the NAPA 257565 is slightly longer). Price was quite a bit more than the AC Delcos that I got. I googled NAPA 257565 and got this: https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/NBG257565/NBG257565_0227159862 and a couple of hits with GATES 257565. I asked the guy about the Gates connection and he said that Gates makes NAPA's belts. So overall good to know there are still options.  | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 57chizler - 2016-11-05 5:38 PM A lot of the old Mopars used a 13/32" wide belt rather than the 3/8" wide belt. You need to determine which width is appropriate for your sheaves. If the 56" is too short for your application, this might work. You probably know this but, when two belts are run side-by-side, they both have to be the exact same length. In the days of old it was easy to find a "matched pair" taped together but nowadays you're sometimes lucky to find a belt let alone a matched pair or a parts store that will match the belts by their mold mark. Thanks for the reply I did NOT know about matched pairs. I have been into single serpentine belts driving a fan, PS, PB and A/C for years. Previously the fan belts I was acquainted with each had a single purpose, i.e. water pump or A/C or PS pump, etc. The belts I bought for the 56 Dodge are the "same" (in the sense that they are the same brand and the same number). Except one store had only one so I bought it and then went to another of their outlets and bought the "same" belt (same number, same brand). I've installed them and they look "right" but then again, I can't really tell. They are 56 5/8" long. I think 57"+ might be too long. Hope I didn't make a mistake. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Okay. Same general topic but new twist. I was at my local Mopar NOS parts guy's (Ron W's) place this AM. I took an oil bath air cleaner that Martin K. from Tempe sold me. I thought that it didn't fit because it bumped into the PS pump fill "tower" (and cap). Ron has the same basic air cleaner on his 55 Dodge Custom Royal with the 4 bbl (and manifold) from the 54 Dodge pace car. No issues with the PS pump - but it is a different design. Bottom line is we decided that I might need to tilt the generator and PS pump out further, i.e. my belts are too short. And/or "clock" the PS pump so it is more like the one below and less straight up and down. This is what I am trying to achieve: | ||
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