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eScore
Posted 2016-10-15 6:40 PM (#523506)
Subject: Correct 57 D500 wheels


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I have a 57 D500 that I am trying to make sure to get the original wheels back on. I think they are likely on another car in the collection I bought and I need to get it figured out while that car is still around. Any help would be hugely appreciated.
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Posted 2016-10-15 9:34 PM (#523514 - in reply to #523506)
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14'' x 6'' like the police,taxi and wagons. Pretty sure. The 501's got 15'' wheels.
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Posted 2016-10-16 7:27 PM (#523596 - in reply to #523506)
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I have a set Fully Restored , they have been hydrocleaned and ready to fit to a car . 14 x 6 , but don't take the dog dish hubcap .I am in Australia and could ship but might cost a bit .



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2016-10-17 12:53 AM (#523617 - in reply to #523506)
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The correct wheel size for a 57 D-500 car is 14 X 5 1/2". Approved for 14X 7.50" or 14X 8.00" sized tires.

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Posted 2017-04-22 2:03 PM (#538610 - in reply to #523506)
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I was more concerned with getting really picky and having the exact originals, because I think I have them around, I just don't know which ones they are. I will try to get some pictures of what I have. I know 3 are the same and the rest are different just in the holes around the center. I realize I am way late on this. Thanks for the info guys.
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Posted 2017-04-22 4:32 PM (#538619 - in reply to #538610)
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The manufacturer, the date and the size are stamped on the inner surface of the rim.

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Posted 2017-04-22 5:46 PM (#538621 - in reply to #523506)
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interest so inside the tire? I looked but I dont recall finding anything on mine. Do you know what is stamped? Is it the CDDP stamp? Also another thing that has been bugging me is the colored wheels. Did any 57 Dodge model come with color matched wheels? I see a fair amount (especially convertibles) that the wheels match the primary color of the car. I went with black to keep mine original but does any one have any insight on that?
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Posted 2017-04-22 6:28 PM (#538623 - in reply to #538621)
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Some good info and photos on the subject of wheel color here-

http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=30370&star...
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Posted 2017-04-22 7:27 PM (#538630 - in reply to #523506)
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eScore - 2016-10-15 6:40 PM I have a 57 D500 that I am trying to make sure to get the original wheels back on. I think they are likely on another car in the collection I bought and I need to get it figured out while that car is still around. Any help would be hugely appreciated.


If you know your car's code, the listing below should help.

My 56 D500 would be a D63 with 12" brakes = 5.5 x 15:

"15 x 5. 50, P29 Fury, D63 w/12" Brake, All C67, C68, C71 except Cal.Blt., C72 except Cal.Blt., except Est. Wgn., C68-300 All"





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LD3 Greg
Posted 2017-04-22 8:18 PM (#538632 - in reply to #538619)
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LD3 Greg - 2017-04-22 4:32 PM

The manufacturer, the date and the size are stamped on the inner surface of the rim.

Greg


This is the sort of stamping you will find on OEM wheels. This photo courtesy of Paul Williams. It is 14 X 6 for a Desoto.

Wheels were bought from Budd, Kelsey Hayes, Motorwheel and others. Painted in various colours such as light grey, dark grey, black, argent or white.

The rest you can read about!!!

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2017-04-22 8:29 PM (#538633 - in reply to #538632)
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Off my 300C. Poor pic but you can vaguely make out the Motorwheel logo.

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eScore
Posted 2017-04-22 9:48 PM (#538639 - in reply to #523506)
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Holly crap that thread has a ton of info. I am so baffled. My car has the white on grey for a spare, and I feel confident that is original, but all the wheels that have ever been on it where black. Based on that thread it seems nothing Dodge would have had color matched wheels and I believe that but I was expecting them to be white. I don't know what to think now.

I sat on this thread so long I didn't even see those last three posts before my response until it posted. I do not know what you mean by my cars code. I wish I had seen all this before I had my wheels painted and mounted. I know I do not have the original 4 wheels because some have holes inbetween the lugs and some do not. I painted them all black and now I am not sure if they should have been white on grey or what. And I had no idea they where date coded either, but I hate to pull the tires back off now.

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2017-04-22 10:38 PM (#538642 - in reply to #538639)
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This is what I would do. Check the size and date on the spare wheel. If it is 14 X 5 1/2 K and dated same month or a month before the build date of your car, it is a safe bet it is original. (Especially if the outer colour of the wheel makes sense). Then find 4 more wheels with the same size, manufacturer and date.

BTW. All car bodies were painted entirely separate from their rolling chassis. For a Dodge, all wheels could have had accent (body) colour sprayed on their outer surfaces the same time as the separate hood and fenders etc. were painted.

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Posted 2017-04-22 10:49 PM (#538643 - in reply to #538642)
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Hey! I just did the same thing. I had to stop to recharge this thing and didn't look back!

Black is good! No big deal. It isn't as if ANY of us are going to agree on anything!

Just have FUN with your work!

Greg

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Posted 2017-04-22 11:27 PM (#538648 - in reply to #538639)
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eScore - 2017-04-22 9:48 PM

My car has the white on grey for a spare, and I feel confident that is original, but all the wheels that have ever been on it where black.

I do not know what you mean by my cars code.


Here is an example of a 56 Dodge OE spare wheel:



Here is a list of 55, 56 and 57 Dodge Model designations. One of them must fit your car, i.e. the one on your metal cowl tag.





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Posted 2017-04-23 8:54 AM (#538663 - in reply to #523506)
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I think the tag I have a picture of with me is different than the one you are referring too. Here is what I have to reference now. I think it was from under the hood. I will look for another tag when I get home. That spare is the same as mine, but the thing is I can't be sure if the spare I have is from my 57 Dodge or the 58 Desoto he had. I've seen multiple "original" Dodges with this spare so I believe it to be from the Dodge but I will never be able to be 100% I guess. I am going to talk to my grandpap again about the wheel color when i get home too. We had discussed it before and he was sure the car never had body color matched wheels but we never even discussed the black vs white over grey. At the time I couldnt figure out what the deal was with that white over grey wheel and just kind of disregarded it as an oddball. I really appreciate the info and time from you guys. This whole thing is a lot of fun. I think I also have the original bumper jack found now which is awesome. Now I just have to find the base plate.



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Posted 2017-04-23 10:06 PM (#538711 - in reply to #538663)
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Take care of that original trunk mat ! The 57-9 trunk mats are quite fragile and impossible to find.

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2017-04-27 12:41 AM (#538974 - in reply to #538663)
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eScore - 2017-04-23 8:54 AM

I think the tag I have a picture of with me is different than the one you are referring too. Here is what I have to reference now. I think it was from under the hood. I will look for another tag when I get home. That spare is the same as mine, but the thing is I can't be sure if the spare I have is from my 57 Dodge or the 58 Desoto he had. I've seen multiple "original" Dodges with this spare so I believe it to be from the Dodge but I will never be able to be 100% I guess. I am going to talk to my grandpap again about the wheel color when i get home too. We had discussed it before and he was sure the car never had body color matched wheels but we never even discussed the black vs white over grey. At the time I couldnt figure out what the deal was with that white over grey wheel and just kind of disregarded it as an oddball. I really appreciate the info and time from you guys. This whole thing is a lot of fun. I think I also have the original bumper jack found now which is awesome. Now I just have to find the base plate.


Very interesting car! It is coded as having a manual transmission and tinted glass all around. It is radio delete but with a power seat. It is a glacier white with a flame red saddle D500, Custom Royal 4 Dr HT.

Let's talk about wheels. It left the factory with standard wheel covers. You have shown pics of its spare with white painted over grey or whatever. I already told you how to determine "original" wheels with the date code for any of these cars. Without dates it is nothing but speculation!!!

On the other hand, white over whatever makes sense for your car because the lower colour of your car was white.

As pointed out by 2010 and later posts, there doesn't seem to be a sales code for painted wheels. If ANYTHING happened without a sales code it meant that, if in fact it did happen, it was done no-charge! In other words FREE. Manufacturers don't do anything for free!!

I think that when any two tone paint was ordered the cost of painted wheels was already included in that extra cost. As Bill has pointed out several times, "notes" were made that got imprinted on the applicable broadcast sheets. Let's look at that with respect to this car. I THINK, maybe, the customer who ordered this car MAY have been given the option. Does he want the wheels white or red?! No big deal for the factory. The car got painted first red and then white. The wheels got painted either time!
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Posted 2017-04-27 9:58 AM (#538987 - in reply to #523506)
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Thats odd that it would come up as radio delete, and not spinners because I know it came that way. I was just trying to figure the tinted glass out, for some reason i never thought it was tinted. I am going to switch my spare tire to the white and gray wheel some time soon and will check that date then, but the 4 wheels I had painted black and put on the car are not a matched set so I know that some of them are not original to the car. I am sure it didn't have red wheels when it was new or they would have stayed with the car, and every one would remember it, so it either had black or white. I don't think I could ever know for sure at this point but maybe I'll figure it out. I posted the pictures on the thread that has been going for 7 years on this subject which make me lean towards them being white originally.

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Posted 2017-04-29 12:44 AM (#539091 - in reply to #538987)
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eScore - 2017-04-27 9:58 AM

Thats odd that it would come up as radio delete, and not spinners because I know it came that way. I was just trying to figure the tinted glass out, for some reason i never thought it was tinted. I am going to switch my spare tire to the white and gray wheel some time soon and will check that date then, but the 4 wheels I had painted black and put on the car are not a matched set so I know that some of them are not original to the car. I am sure it didn't have red wheels when it was new or they would have stayed with the car, and every one would remember it, so it either had black or white. I don't think I could ever know for sure at this point but maybe I'll figure it out. I posted the pictures on the thread that has been going for 7 years on this subject which make me lean towards them being white originally.


Your car is coded for accessory group 1 = no radio. Also coded for accessory group 4 = standard wheel covers. Both groups include several other options as well but these are the ones at issue. Look them up for yourself! This is how your car left the factory. How it was when someone actually took delivery of it is another matter!! Hey, it could have been ordered by one dealer who sold it to another and so on ---- before it was sold at retail.

I'm just a numbers and originality guy! Nothing more. Just thought you might like to know. Get the CHS report to be sure. Very interestingly optioned car and in great survival condition. A WONDERFUL accquisition for you and have fun with it!!

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Posted 2017-04-29 1:24 AM (#539093 - in reply to #539091)
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Check out my last post on "Coloured Rims". That is a photo of Neil's car he sent me years ago. At that time we had numerous photos of two-toned 57s with rims over painted with either bottom body colour or accent (saddle) colour.

So --- how did it happen?

We never did figure it out. Obviously, this wheel "paint over" was already included in the extra cost for two tone body paint, but, which of the two colours would be used for the wheels?!

Chrycoman, pointed it out recently. It was called "NOTES". I guess the "New" word would be to default to the standard and anything different needed to be "noted". A dealer could easily "note" that the wheel colour be the accent colour not the bottom colour.

We may never really know!!
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Posted 2017-04-29 12:17 PM (#539104 - in reply to #523506)
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I don't doubt you. It is very odd that a Custom Royal would have been built with no radio. And I know it had a radio and spinners when he took possession from the dealer. He ordered the car to his specs and then came to Detroit to get it months later. But no doubt the dealer may have added things that it was missing after the factory did their part. The power brake situation I posted in another thread will also always be a mystery. I appreciate the info for sure. Anything I can get on it is great. I plan to send the vin in soon to Chrysler for a build sheet an all just to see what I get. I really don't think my car had any special painted wheels from the start but just the ones that match the spare which would make the exposed part white. I did pull the spare off and have the wheels switched the the white and grey one now. When I did I found this date code. With having a 58 Desoto in the collection I guess there is the ultra rare chance this wheel came from it but very on likely with a 1 57 stamp on it. I just wish I had 4 more to match this one.

What do you think the number after the date is? Does it have any major significance or is it just a part number?

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2017-05-10 1:26 AM (#539810 - in reply to #539104)
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eScore - 2017-04-29 12:17 PM

I don't doubt you. It is very odd that a Custom Royal would have been built with no radio. And I know it had a radio and spinners when he took possession from the dealer. He ordered the car to his specs and then came to Detroit to get it months later. But no doubt the dealer may have added things that it was missing after the factory did their part. The power brake situation I posted in another thread will also always be a mystery. I appreciate the info for sure. Anything I can get on it is great. I plan to send the vin in soon to Chrysler for a build sheet an all just to see what I get. I really don't think my car had any special painted wheels from the start but just the ones that match the spare which would make the exposed part white. I did pull the spare off and have the wheels switched the the white and grey one now. When I did I found this date code. With having a 58 Desoto in the collection I guess there is the ultra rare chance this wheel came from it but very on likely with a 1 57 stamp on it. I just wish I had 4 more to match this one.

What do you think the number after the date is? Does it have any major significance or is it just a part number?


No way can I prove it but I Think your car would have left the factory with 14 X 5.5" K wheels.

Greg
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Posted 2017-05-10 1:35 AM (#539811 - in reply to #539810)
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When you get your CHS report we might be able to zoom in on this stuff better!

57 and earlier is REALLY difficult to decode!!

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Posted 2017-05-14 11:31 AM (#540001 - in reply to #523506)
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I haven't submitted it yet but i will soon. What do you mean by K wheels? I wouldn't think the spare would be wider than the rest do you? And based on that date code it sure seems that would be the correct spare. Not doubting you just giving all the info I have.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2017-05-16 12:33 AM (#540124 - in reply to #540001)
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eScore - 2017-05-14 11:31 AM

I haven't submitted it yet but i will soon. What do you mean by K wheels? I wouldn't think the spare would be wider than the rest do you? And based on that date code it sure seems that would be the correct spare. Not doubting you just giving all the info I have.


Not sure what the "K" means. My experience with wheels would suggest it has something to do with the shape/offset of the "drop centre", or, the configuration of the "bead" area. When these cars were new, extra attention was paid to an additional rolled indentation in the bead area. More security for tubeless tires? ---- ? Not sure!

On the other hand, the offset of the drop centre determined the compatibility with 12" brake drums for a 14" wheel!

I think all wheels would have been the same size.

Wayne Greafen did extensive research with respect to date coding. I would quote his "45 Day Rule" as it might apply to something as constantly supplied as wheels. In other words, the wheels would need date codes within 45 days prior to the build date of the car to be "considered" as original!

Aren't you sorry you asked!?

But, this is what separates the men from the boys when it comes to DOCUMENTED originality.

I truly hope I haven't misquoted Wayne in any way!
Greg
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