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Chrome58
Posted 2016-10-07 5:41 AM (#522825)
Subject: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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Hi everyone,

In order to check if my '57-'59 reproduction of the PW connectors do fit the '60-'64 applications (it seems they should), I am searching for any PW connectors of that period. They may be broken, or incomplete, I don't care.

Thank you.
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wizard
Posted 2016-10-07 10:03 AM (#522834 - in reply to #522825)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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Hi Vincent - I have an idea; since we're both within the EU and don't need to care much for customs and fees, I could lend you one master switch and one single switch - that way you could physically check if your connectors does fit or which changes are needed.

If you like this idea, go to my profile and you'll find my email address....
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finsruskw
Posted 2016-10-07 10:35 AM (#522835 - in reply to #522834)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors


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Vincent, My parts were in this mornings post and they LOOK GREAT!!
Thank you very much!
I have alerted the 300 Club folks w/your info.
Let us all know if they fit other years as well and I'll [ass that along also!
Thanks again!
Dave
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NicksGarage
Posted 2016-10-07 1:50 PM (#522845 - in reply to #522825)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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I can take pictures of the switch connectors on my spare 196 harness this weekend if needed.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2016-10-10 1:42 AM (#523020 - in reply to #522845)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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Here are some pictures of the 4-switch connector on my 1960 harness.




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wizard
Posted 2016-10-10 1:57 AM (#523021 - in reply to #522825)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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Could it be so simple that MoPar just cut the connector in the middle for to accept a slight difference in the stud positions?
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NicksGarage
Posted 2016-10-10 2:02 AM (#523022 - in reply to #523021)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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wizard - 2016-10-09 10:57 PM

Could it be so simple that MoPar just cut the connector in the middle for to accept a slight difference in the stud positions?


Or maybe to make it easier to assemble the wiring harness.
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Chrome58
Posted 2016-10-10 3:09 AM (#523027 - in reply to #522845)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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wizard - 2016-10-07 4:03 PM

Hi Vincent - I have an idea; since we're both within the EU and don't need to care much for customs and fees, I could lend you one master switch and one single switch - that way you could physically check if your connectors does fit or which changes are needed.

If you like this idea, go to my profile and you'll find my email address....

Excellent idea, Sven !
I'll PM you shortly.

finsruskw - 2016-10-07 4:35 PM

Vincent, My parts were in this mornings post and they LOOK GREAT!!
Thank you very much!
I have alerted the 300 Club folks w/your info.
Let us all know if they fit other years as well and I'll [ass that along also!
Thanks again!
Dave

Thanks Dave !


NicksGarage - 2016-10-07 7:50 PM

I can take pictures of the switch connectors on my spare 196 harness this weekend if needed.

Thanks a lot Nick, it's the first time I actually see a '60-'64 master switch. I did not know they were split in the middle like that !
But, from what I gather from your measurements, it seems that the distance between the pins are the same as for '57-'59.
And the connectors look exactly the same, too ... I'll wait for the parts from Sven to confirm.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2016-10-11 1:28 AM (#523150 - in reply to #523027)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors


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They are NOT the same!! They are about a half a hole different in length as compared to 57-59. Also, the single switch connectors are different in width.

60-62 are the same. 63, I don't know. 64 is the same pin pattern as 60 but didn't use screws to hold the halves together. They were a sealed unit. Jeff Carter showed me how to rebuild these plastic parts many years ago and I have done a bunch of them. If I think of it I can post photos of them!!

I can send you a set of excellent factory connector samples for 64.

GREG
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Chrome58
Posted 2016-10-11 3:04 AM (#523156 - in reply to #522825)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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Thanks for your input, Greg. Since they are different, I'll then take the '60-'62 set that Sven is sending me as a template and I'll make a 3D model of those parts for reproduction. If you can send me a '64 set, I'll reproduce them as well. I'll PM you shortly.

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NicksGarage
Posted 2016-10-12 4:20 PM (#523308 - in reply to #522825)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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The 1960-64 switches are the same. Screwed on covers should make it easier for installation. I think it was '65 that they changed the look of the switch but not sure about the pin pattern.
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Chrome58
Posted 2016-10-13 4:01 AM (#523345 - in reply to #522834)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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wizard - 2016-10-10 7:57 AM

Could it be so simple that MoPar just cut the connector in the middle for to accept a slight difference in the stud positions?

No, they did that because they certainly came to the conclusion that the previous design was flawed.
And indeed, designing a plastic part with a "U" shape puts a lot of constraints in the bottom inside corners of the "U".
They must have had a lot of complaints from garages and customers where the "U" connector broke in half (and indeed mine is broken exactly there).
Furthermore, the plastic industry was in its infancy, so the material was probably fragile as well.

wizard - 2016-10-07 4:03 PM

Hi Vincent - I have an idea; since we're both within the EU and don't need to care much for customs and fees, I could lend you one master switch and one single switch - that way you could physically check if your connectors does fit or which changes are needed.


I received the '60 switches from Sven yesterday. I checked, and the pin pattern is indeed different from the '57-'59 set. However, as the electrical connectors and built-in notches are the same, I can design a variation from the '57-'59 set that will fit the '60-'62 switches (even including the split and the correct black plastic).

But I do need some precise measurements.
Nick, can you give me some precise measures, with a caliper maybe ?


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LD3 Greg
Posted 2016-10-13 4:10 PM (#523378 - in reply to #523345)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors


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Vincent, here is what I'm sending. These are 64, the same as 60-62 with the only difference they are sealed together with melted plastic studs.

On the right is the contact plate out of a 60-64 master switch. This may help you verify pin fit.

I'm also sending an NOS metal terminal crimped onto a 14 gauge wire just to double check its fit.

Greg



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NicksGarage
Posted 2016-10-13 4:15 PM (#523379 - in reply to #522825)
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If you still need measurements, let me know.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2016-10-13 7:43 PM (#523389 - in reply to #523020)
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Nick. The terminals in your top pic appear to be installed upside down. The little step in the pocket is to engage the terminal end. There is a a little cupping on one side to ease insertion of the pins.

Greg



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Chrome58
Posted 2016-10-26 5:38 AM (#524427 - in reply to #523378)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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LD3 Greg - 2016-10-13 10:10 PM

Vincent, here is what I'm sending. These are 64, the same as 60-62 with the only difference they are sealed together with melted plastic studs.

After close examination of the '64 set that you've sent me, I can say that the '64 connectors are different than the '60. And I'm not talking about the sealed plastic studs. The notches for the cables are organized differently, the lower one being parralel to the connector body instead of being at an angle like Nick's picture is showing (and like the '57-'59 are). Furthermore they seem to be longer too.

Strange, because if we look at the parts manual, all the connectors from '60 until '64 had the same part number :
- Single connector : 2096 905
- 4-way connector : 2096 908
- 5-way connector : 2096 911 (I did not know it even existed)

NicksGarage - 2016-10-13 10:15 PM

If you still need measurements, let me know.

It seems I will need measurements.
I'm sending you a PM.

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Chrome58
Posted 2017-03-13 2:28 PM (#535864 - in reply to #522825)
Subject: Re: '60 - '64 Power windows connectors



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I'm back on the modeling stage for this project.
I think I can make an hybrid design that will fit both the '60-'62 and the '63-'64 switches.
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