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51coronet
Posted 2016-08-26 6:06 PM (#519906)
Subject: scarebird bracket for 57 up chrysler?


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I looked on the scarebird website and do not see a mention of a bracket that will work on 57, 58 Chrysler. I see a bracket for 57 to 61 Plymouth and dodge, Bracket part number FWD.

Does this bracket work with Chrysler as well? If I am not mistaken the Chryslers were generally bigger and heavier so the set up for brakes may not be identical to the Plymouth and dodge divisions.

The others that appear for the specific year Chrysler I am interested in are for dodge truck so I came here to ask the question.

Thanks
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KcImperial
Posted 2016-08-26 10:37 PM (#519921 - in reply to #519906)
Subject: Re: scarebird bracket for 57 up chrysler?



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They do sell a kit for 57-58 Chrysler's. I've bought them in the past.
You should really give them a call. They were quite helpful on the phone in my experience.
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mstrug
Posted 2016-08-27 6:18 AM (#519931 - in reply to #519906)
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Hollander has 2 spindles shown. #386: 1671362, 58-61 Windsor, 57-59 DeSoto Firesweep, Dodge 57-61 pass. car, Plymouth 1957-61

#387, 1670320: 57 Wind. Sara., and N.Y., 61 N.Y. AND 300.62 NY., DeSoto 1957-59 Firedome and Fireflite.

And 388, 1671363: Imperial 1957-62

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Powerflite
Posted 2016-08-27 2:01 PM (#519950 - in reply to #519931)
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Scarebird claims that the kit they sell works only for Dodge and Plymouth. But I have used them on a '58 Firedome (shown in picture) and two '57 Chryslers. So it does work on the bigger cars too. You just have to move the brake line connection to the rear side of the wheel. The brakes work really well with the 12" '71 Ford Galaxie rotors and '98 Dodge truck calipers, and I highly recommend them. But they do require the use of at least 15" wheels.

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51coronet
Posted 2016-08-27 3:57 PM (#519953 - in reply to #519950)
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Powerflite - 2016-08-27 2:01 PM

Scarebird claims that the kit they sell works only for Dodge and Plymouth. But I have used them on a '58 Firedome (shown in picture) and two '57 Chryslers. So it does work on the bigger cars too. You just have to move the brake line connection to the rear side of the wheel. The brakes work really well with the 12" '71 Ford Galaxie rotors and '98 Dodge truck calipers, and I highly recommend them. But they do require the use of at least 15" wheels.


Very nice thanks for the info!! My 57 2 door imperial that is currently a complete mess will be getting the brake treatment so I have been lurking around to see what will be best. I do not have stock wheels or hubcaps for this car so its getting some sort of aftermarket 15 or bigger wheels. I will be replacing brake lines with new stainless lines so some moving the lines around is not a problem. Did you have to modify the spindle at all when using the glaxie rotors? Did the stock bearings work or did you need different ones? ECI has a kit that uses 13 inch rotors which is appealing since I will be using aftermarket wheels. This means I can use a smaller booster in theory.

What did you do as far as master cylinder and booster? I ask because the hemi cars don't have much room in that area for mods/upgrades or changes due to the proximity of the valve cover to the firewall and master cylinder. I like the idea of 13 inch rotors in this car since it will be a little hotter engine etc. I feel 11 inch may be borderline for such a heavy car.
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KcImperial
Posted 2016-08-27 4:15 PM (#519954 - in reply to #519953)
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51coronet - 2016-08-27 2:57 PM
Very nice thanks for the info!! My 57 2 door imperial that is currently a complete mess will be getting the brake treatment so I have been lurking around to see what will be best. I do not have stock wheels or hubcaps for this car so its getting some sort of aftermarket 15 or bigger wheels. I will be replacing brake lines with new stainless lines so some moving the lines around is not a problem. Did you have to modify the spindle at all when using the glaxie rotors? Did the stock bearings work or did you need different ones? ECI has a kit that uses 13 inch rotors which is appealing since I will be using aftermarket wheels. This means I can use a smaller booster in theory.

What did you do as far as master cylinder and booster? I ask because the hemi cars don't have much room in that area for mods/upgrades or changes due to the proximity of the valve cover to the firewall and master cylinder. I like the idea of 13 inch rotors in this car since it will be a little hotter engine etc. I feel 11 inch may be borderline for such a heavy car.


You do realize that your '57 Imperial is not a "Chrysler"? You asked about Chrysler Vs Plymouth and Dodge.

The Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth kit will NOT work on an Imperial.

The Imperial spindle has a different diameter and uses different size wheel bearings than the rest of the Chrysler fleet. It also has 5.5x5 bolt pattern which will not match the '71 Galaxie rotors.

You can swap the spindles for Chrysler units and then this kit will work but you will end up with a smaller bolt pattern on the front wheels.
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51coronet
Posted 2016-08-27 5:55 PM (#519958 - in reply to #519954)
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KcImperial - 2016-08-27 4:15 PM

You do realize that your '57 Imperial is not a "Chrysler"? You asked about Chrysler Vs Plymouth and Dodge.

The Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth kit will NOT work on an Imperial.

The Imperial spindle has a different diameter and uses different size wheel bearings than the rest of the Chrysler fleet. It also has 5.5x5 bolt pattern which will not match the '71 Galaxie rotors.

You can swap the spindles for Chrysler units and then this kit will work but you will end up with a smaller bolt pattern on the front wheels.



OK so what works on Imperials? I know Chrysler made an attempt at making Imperial its own brand but that didn't stick anywhere. As far as the world and parts go its a Chrysler and uses Chrysler parts. Good info I didn't know the imperial was the oddball for bolt pattern.
Anyway like I mentioned earlier I will be using aftermarket wheels so retaining a 5 x 5.5 pattern Is not important.
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KcImperial
Posted 2016-08-27 6:34 PM (#519963 - in reply to #519958)
Subject: Re: scarebird bracket for 57 up chrysler?



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51coronet - 2016-08-27 4:55 PM

OK so what works on Imperials? I know Chrysler made an attempt at making Imperial its own brand but that didn't stick anywhere. As far as the world and parts go its a Chrysler and uses Chrysler parts. Good info I didn't know the imperial was the oddball for bolt pattern.
Anyway like I mentioned earlier I will be using aftermarket wheels so retaining a 5 x 5.5 pattern Is not important.


I'm not the guy that rallies for correct names, but for this question and on this forum, you gotta at least mention the Imperial part to keep from getting incorrect info. Imperials are oddballs for almost all of their parts.

If you don't care about bolt patterns - find some spindles from a Chrysler and then use the standard Scarebird kit (refer to Marc's post above for interchange). I did this on one of my Imperials because I had already changed the rear axle to a late 60's C Body with the smaller bolt pattern.

AAJ makes a conversion kit that fits the stock Imperial spindles and keeps the 5.5x5 bolt pattern. It's a smaller rotor and still requires 15in wheels.

I'm not sure if Scarebird or SSBC offers anything. A phone call to either of them will get you a faster answer.

To add some info about master cylinder - The last AAJ kit I bought used a 67/68 drum brake master cylinder. It's still tight but fits. The discs really need a larger chamber resevoir. On the Scarebird kit, I used a 67 disc brake master cylinder but I also modified the firewall and raised the mounting point for it to fit. This is putting the cart before the horse a little bit because you should match the master cylinder bore to the calipers and each company uses different calipers with their kits.


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Powerflite
Posted 2016-08-27 6:38 PM (#519965 - in reply to #519958)
Subject: Re: scarebird bracket for 57 up chrysler?



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As far as the world goes, all Mopars are called Dodge, but that doesn't help an actual Mopar owner much. As far as parts go, it should definitely be referenced as an Imperial as virtually nothing interchanges except the motor & trans. You can see my solution for using a dual master cylinder with the 392 hemi & original power booster on this thread:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=62442&...

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51coronet
Posted 2016-08-27 9:38 PM (#519970 - in reply to #519965)
Subject: Re: scarebird bracket for 57 up chrysler?


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When it comes to parts and looking up NEW parts, Imperial is not a MAKE on any website or parts store, it is always Chrysler as the make / imperial as the model. Dodge and Plymouth follow the same rule on all parts websites. This is the entity I was referring to as the whole world including e-bay and craigslist as well as private owners/sellers. It just didn't stick anywhere so for parts purposes no one seems to make the distinction. This website is one of the very few that will make that distinction and not always 100% of the time. Its just easier for sake of finding parts to call it a Chrysler because in reality it is. The name is just a technicality Chrysler was wrestling with to compete with Cadillac and Lincoln, which in reality are general motors and ford. Lexus is Toyota, Infiniti is Nissan, acura is Honda etc etc etc etc etc. For parts finding purposes the "MAKE" names (like Lincoln) of all others seem to stick, Imperial is the exception.

To note I have come across a few sites that list imperial on its own but it has been for parts cars or junkyards etc. not an actual new parts supplier.
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