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Posted 2016-05-26 9:53 AM (#512464 - in reply to #511143)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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Gorgeous, amazing, iconic... all words that can be used about White's car.

But truth be told, Mopars aren't the be-all end-all, IMO that '56 Lincoln Premiere in Wisteria Lavender with white leather convertible shown at Amelia (pic up above) is every bit as beautiful and desirable as any Adv...... (Ducks and runs...) :-)

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Posted 2016-05-26 9:56 AM (#512465 - in reply to #511143)
Subject: RE: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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One can be other than a One-note (Mopar) Johnny, to wit:

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Posted 2016-05-26 10:00 AM (#512467 - in reply to #511143)
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Posted 2016-05-26 10:18 AM (#512470 - in reply to #512467)
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Posted 2016-05-26 10:49 AM (#512471 - in reply to #511143)
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You know what I have always loved and admired 57 Lincolns (and 56s to a degree) , but recently after seeing a ragtop one in person here in Melbourne that my friend owned at his panel shop and us pulling up with our 57 Chrysler New Yorker coupe , even he accepted he wasn't the coolest and it wasnt meant to be that way . The body on the Lincoln compared was quite stodgy which surprised me when compared .
The 57 58 Chrysler and Desoto with their slimline bodies , kool big blocks and hemis ,and being smooth and dynamic is what make the lincoln just a big smooth driving quiklerly styled barge which just isn't as kool as one of our Forward look cars . I think the linclon is more like a Factory custom looking car though

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Posted 2016-05-26 10:59 AM (#512472 - in reply to #512471)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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Here's a link to what he owns, impressive collection.

www.vernonsantiquetoyshop.ca

Doctor DeSoto

Posted 2016-05-26 1:04 PM (#512485 - in reply to #512472)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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The 56-60 Lincolns were pretty extreme in their George Jetson styling. Mercury took it
to the level of bizarre, much like Dodge did in 1961. I question their level of performance
and ease-to-work-on like Mopars have through the late 50's. I love 56 Imperial, but would
take a Lincoln over any Imperial for a given year, especially the 58-59 years, based on styling
alone. Granted, they go a whole different direction than Exner took the Imperials, but my
appreciation for Googie is not limited to the Exner look, just as I can appreciate other work
besides John Lautner's.

As some know, I have a couple Model TT Ford trucks. As a result, I frequent a website or
two that focus on those vehicles for tech support and parts sourcing, like I do here for FL
cars. By and large, I hate Ford products. Most are cheap and appear to be designed by
baboons. I owned a slew of them as the result of my ex's liking Fords, and they were crap,
compared to cars like my DeSoto. So, I am not talking out my axx when I talk about these
cars. Yet, on these T sites, many who post there think FOMOCO products are the only type
worthy of even discussing. Their brand loyalty is beyond absurd. They bash all other makes,
so I ask if they have even owned/worked on/driven any of these cars, and it is always a
resounding "no". It would be like me, bashing late 30's Hudsons or something. I don't know
squat about them, to a point I'd have to walk over and read the name badge to even know
what it was !

This brand loyalty DEFINES "stupid" and "arrogant" in my book. We are all free to like what
we may, but mindless devotion and baseless slams on stuff a person knows nothing about
only define the character of the person running their gums.

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Posted 2016-05-26 1:57 PM (#512492 - in reply to #512485)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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Doctor DeSoto - 2016-05-26 10:04 AM
... I love 56 Imperial, but would
take a Lincoln over any Imperial for a given year, especially the 58-59 years, based on styling
alone. Granted, they go a whole different direction than Exner took the Imperials, but my
appreciation for Googie is not limited to the Exner look, just as I can appreciate other work
besides John Lautner's....

Are we talking about the same car Doc? Personally, I think the '59-'60 Lincoln is about the absolute ugliest car ever built. I would take a '59-'60 Imperial over that ugly behemoth any day. This car makes the '61 Dodge look regal & refined. This has nothing to do with brand loyalty. The '60 Ford is truly a nice car, and Ford had great style from 1910-1950, but this thing would not be allowed to set one tire on my driveway.

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Lancer Mike

Posted 2016-05-27 6:49 PM (#512617 - in reply to #512492)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

Location: The Mile High City

Haggerty sez: $294,000 for a fresh resto by Tom White. No more, no less.

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1958-DeSoto-Adventurer

Lancer Mike

Posted 2016-05-27 6:52 PM (#512618 - in reply to #512617)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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Add $3,000 for swivel seats, L= Los Angeles plant ?

I hope they got the price right.

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Posted 2016-05-29 10:45 AM (#512725 - in reply to #511143)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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"Add $3,000 for swivel seats"
That should have read, "Add one year for swivel seats"!!!

Gary

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Posted 2016-05-30 12:41 AM (#512760 - in reply to #512492)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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Powerflite - 2016-05-27 10:57 AM

Are we talking about the same car Doc? Personally, I think the '59-'60 Lincoln is about the absolute ugliest car ever built. I would take a '59-'60 Imperial over that ugly behemoth any day. This car makes the '61 Dodge look regal & refined. This has nothing to do with brand loyalty. The '60 Ford is truly a nice car, and Ford had great style from 1910-1950, but this thing would not be allowed to set one tire on my driveway.

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No argument on the 60 Ford .... at least in exterior design. The interior and trim are really
cheap and look so.

I think Ford made cheap, and CHEAP LOOKING cars from day one. Something I find charming
with a Model T, but more like lipstick on a pig as cars became more refined, as Ford chose to go
the window dressing route. Some times, they really hit a good exterior design ... 40, 56, 60 to
name a few, but underneath they had minimal everything .... brakes, engine, suspension, interiors ...

I can see how a person might see the 58-60 Lincoln as excessive and "ugly". I think color and
trim level help, like the 58 Premier below. I see them as FOMOCO really reaching back to 30's
level "luxury" in "behemoth" size and trim, much like what Packard, A-C-D, Pierce, Cadillac, and
Lincoln did then. A real "battleship" of the George Jetson era. Lincoln made heavy use of the
starburst motif on these ... the thrusting side trim ends in one, the wheelcovers, the steering wheel,
even the name "Premier" is set over one.

The canted headlights and body sculpting and super low belt line .... Maybe I am weird, but I think
these were really neat cars ! .... at least from a styling standpoint. I know little about them for
mechanicals and parts and reliability. A same era Ford is a dope on every level, but given Lincoln's
level of market, perhaps they were better ???

Mopar's weak link was body construction an as a result, rust. Otherwise, Mopar really had it together
through the fin years (for the most part). But if I didn't have the DeSoto, I'd be happy to have a nice
58 Lincoln ragtop in my garage.

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Lancer Mike

Posted 2016-05-30 3:32 PM (#512792 - in reply to #512760)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

Location: The Mile High City

Hey! What's with all the Lincolns?

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Posted 2016-05-30 9:40 PM (#512818 - in reply to #511143)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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I will be looking forward to seeing this car at Hershey this fall. Since Harry could not go last fall to Hershey, I was able to make my acquaintance with Tom White before I cared who he was. I had the most pleasurable experience seeing the '56 with Tom and its owner from Canada. We talked about the similarities of the EFI units on the '58 DeSoto and my '81 Imperial and the encouragement to keep the Imperial EFI alive. Both gentlemen gave me their business cards at the conclusion of our conversation. The absence of knuckle dragging behavior was refreshing to this lady; such civility should be the norm, not the exception.

Lancer Mike

Posted 2016-05-30 11:22 PM (#512825 - in reply to #512818)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

Location: The Mile High City

So this is Harry's wife? I only know Harry through the boards, so please introduce yourself. I hope Harry is comfortable as possible. Glad to hear you are going to Carlisle. I will be thinking about Harry. Among all the other attractions, this will be a great car to see I am sure.

Mike

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Posted 2016-05-31 12:21 AM (#512828 - in reply to #512825)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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Harry's a lady ???

I am having a hard time tracking this conversation ....

ruchaven

Posted 2016-06-02 3:23 PM (#513037 - in reply to #511143)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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No, Harry is NOT a lady. It is just that Harry and I share the same name on here. Personally I been a closet motor head for a long time, since the 1970s. But, back then "good girls" weren't to be seen around old cars. I was around Mopars and Internationals as a kid. Unfortunately, I lost my father in a traffic accident in 1974, leaving me with responsibility of keeping our 1970 Plymouth station wagon on the road along with our produce farm. Fortunately I lived between two junkyards at the time and learned to repair the wagon out of necessity. My first ride was a 1956 Studebaker Commander my father bought for me two months before his accident. I really got hooked on car shows since 1980 at the Studebaker Drivers Club National Meet in Gettysburg, PA. I didn't win anything, but I enjoyed the competitive spirit of the times. Now I have the '81 Imperial which I think has the most classic appearance of any Chrysler product ever made.

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Posted 2016-06-02 4:01 PM (#513039 - in reply to #513037)
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Nice. I own a '70 Satellite wagon too. Do you have any pictures of yours or your other cars from back in the day?

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Posted 2016-06-04 3:13 PM (#513194 - in reply to #511143)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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I agree in that it's a great car but the colors...blah.

I'm assuming they used those colors in pursuit of 'originality' which is fine but...Imagine it in Red /white like Christine! OK, juts kidding but for sure there are a bunch of colors that would complement the car better, and the two tone insert is really 'off-putting'
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Doctor DeSoto

Posted 2016-06-05 12:59 AM (#513231 - in reply to #513194)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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My thoughts, exactly.

My Adventurer was black with gold, and I was told it had a black top ... arguably the
most complimentary color combo possible, yet still I grew to find the Adventurer package
something less than what a person could get with a Fireflite because of the bland interior
and exterior color limitations. The 4bbl moves the Fireflite along quite well. I just can't
see trading the pastel coolness and interior fabrics of a Fireflite for the 2x4 intake and
restrictively blah colors. The Adventurer "dart" looks pointlessly tacked on, like something
the idiots at Chevy added to the 58 Impala just to slap more glitter on the sides.

It's a cool car for sure, but I prefer the near-identical Fireflite with some great pastel
color scheme.

Lancer Mike

Posted 2016-12-14 10:05 PM (#528720 - in reply to #513231)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

Location: The Mile High City

Hemmings Motor News - December 2016

2016 HMN Concours D'Elegance

"September 25 marked the fifth year that Hemmings has teamed with the Saratoga Automobile Museum to put on the event, and once again, the outstanding quality of the entries in each category posed a significant challenge to the judges, which resulted in three finalists for the Best in Show accolade: a 1932 Studebaker President Convertible Sedan; a 1954 Cunningham C-3 Vignale Coupe; and a 1958 De Soto Adventurer Convertible."

The Studebaker won. Vernon Smith won 1st place in the "Tailfin Evolution (1955-'62)" class.
It must be a pretty stunning sight in person. The pictures showed a cornucopia of really wonderful cars!

Hooray! Hemmings even spelled De Soto correctly, with the space! Would you expect anything less?

Lancer Mike

Posted 2016-12-14 10:34 PM (#528723 - in reply to #528720)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

Location: The Mile High City

Does anyone know what that knob is under the brake warning light? Must be a new addition: $100 bill dispenser? Ejector seat? Flamethrowers? Bat Ray?

This one has the signal seeker radio and the foot button too! Maybe the foot button came into play when you got the Highway HiFi in the mix?

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Doctor DeSoto

Posted 2016-12-14 11:39 PM (#528730 - in reply to #528723)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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My Fireflite has the foot button for the seeker radio. No Hi-Fi on
my car. If memory serves, the button for the radio is smaller and
different thant the headlight dimmer switch. Both buttons look to
be the same in that photo. Hmmm ..... better go look at mine to
check ....

Lancer Mike

Posted 2016-12-15 1:31 PM (#528789 - in reply to #528730)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

Location: The Mile High City

Interesting! The one I bought from James didn't have any type of anything to connect to a foot button.
James also had a NOS in-the-box signal seeker which did not include a foot button or foot button wire.
Were there two signal seeker radio options? An early and a later version?

Doctor DeSoto

Posted 2016-12-15 10:05 PM (#528826 - in reply to #528789)
Subject: Re: 58 Adventurer - Amelia Island Concours 2016

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The foot pedal was a separate option. Not sure about why a seeker
radio would have no plug port for the pedal actuator wire.

LD3 Greg

Posted 2016-12-15 10:18 PM (#528829 - in reply to #528826)
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Most seeker radios I saw had no port for the foot button control. I had two 57 Imp. seeker radios and both had distinct ports for the foot button wire. There must have been more than one style of seekers.

Greg

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Posted 2016-12-15 10:23 PM (#528830 - in reply to #528829)
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As I recall, the radio foot button was much lower than the dimmer switch. I suppose I just thought they were hidden under the carpet?!

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