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desertsky
Posted 2016-01-11 12:11 AM (#500653)
Subject: 1958 plymouth plaza business coupe


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It is a radio delete, heater delete, manual steering, manual shift, manual brakes, rubber mat, fixed window, no window regulators, no back seat car, in iceberg white, has original vin tag and firewall tag. No engine or transmission, otherwise complete. Sold at a Tucson AZ dealer, Beaudrys, car is located in Tucson az. and has clean, clear az. title, all glass is there and original except for drivers door. Asking $5,500 obo or interesting trade for something 79' and older, preferably mopar but I am open, 520-682-2711. Pictures to follow. Included in pics are images of the body tag and vin. which is LP1L1982.
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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2016-01-11 7:01 AM (#500666 - in reply to #500653)
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Looking forward to some photos of this one, Scott. Not too many of these left.
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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2016-01-11 1:27 PM (#500700 - in reply to #500653)
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Here are some of the photos from Scott.
Looks like a neat car!
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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2016-01-11 1:29 PM (#500701 - in reply to #500653)
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A few more photos from Scott.
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desertsky
Posted 2016-01-11 1:36 PM (#500702 - in reply to #500653)
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A big Thank you to SavoyPlaza, appreciate your assistance in posting the images, please let me know if I can return a favor to you someday, if you ever need any dry AZ parts, call me.
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PlymouthFury
Posted 2016-01-11 3:06 PM (#500710 - in reply to #500702)
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I like that!! Delete everything!

But has a rear deck speaker grille?? Maybe someones aftermarket radio setup?
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desertsky
Posted 2016-01-11 3:56 PM (#500723 - in reply to #500653)
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I saw that and thought the same thing, it looks vintage and I was not sure if it was added or not, it looks original so my guess was it was there by default when the car was made before the car was built and optioned according to the order, as is the front dash speaker mesh/grille.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2016-01-11 4:50 PM (#500730 - in reply to #500653)
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Sorry I didn't see you're email until now! Good luck with the sale!
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desertsky
Posted 2016-01-11 5:31 PM (#500741 - in reply to #500653)
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Thanks Randy, hope your coupe is going well.
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PlymouthFury
Posted 2016-01-11 8:22 PM (#500774 - in reply to #500653)
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Looks like an OEM rear deck grille. Shouldnt be there unless a rear speaker was ordered so hard to say!
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hemi powered
Posted 2016-01-11 8:46 PM (#500780 - in reply to #500653)
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trade for 65 chevelle coupe no motor or trans blank slate
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desertsky
Posted 2016-01-11 9:07 PM (#500787 - in reply to #500653)
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I just looked at it and the grille is just laying there, not bolted or screwed down, could be from the assembly line as mentioned or just a grille that was put there by whomever through the years, it is definitely a radio delete car, I would rather trade for something so I am hoping someone has an interesting car or project but I am open to offers, thanks.
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desertsky
Posted 2016-01-11 9:09 PM (#500788 - in reply to #500653)
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57burb, That was my line of thought, that since it was a literal no option car, it might be just one of a few, your dog dishes would complete the look.


Hemi Powered, Send me some pics to hemiorangechallenger@gmail.com, I would prefer mopar but we can take a look at it.

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57burb
Posted 2016-01-11 9:15 PM (#500789 - in reply to #500780)
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What a cool car! It's even more bare bones than the '57 Plaza that Doctor Desoto is restoring. Are we looking at the lowest cost '58 Mopar possible? LP1L indicates a 6-cylinder Plaza, with 1472 built and this one number 982.

It's well worth the asking price. I hope someone jumps on this project and saves it. I have a set of dog dishes I would donate to the cause!

Or if someone wants to make a drag car like they would have in the early-mid '60s, that could be cool too.



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-01-11 11:34 PM (#500793 - in reply to #500789)
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57burb - 2016-01-12 6:15 PM

What a cool car! It's even more bare bones than the '57 Plaza that Doctor Desoto is restoring. Are we looking
at the lowest cost '58 Mopar possible? LP1L indicates a 6-cylinder Plaza, with 1472 built and this one number
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My car, while a stripper in exterior appearance, got a lot of money spent on options
.... 318, TF, PS, PB, and A/C !

I am happy with that, because it has the bare bones look, but a lot of the "driver
comfort" goodies to make it a little nicer to drive. It was always my intention to try
and replicate the nearly identical car I saw under a tall pile of cars at Ray's Auto
Wrecking in the early 80's ... basically a monotone Buzzard Puke Green 58 Plaza
4 door sedan with dog dishies and blackwalls. The car at Ray's was a six, but had a
floor shifter retrofitted to the 3-speed manual. I still have the shifter.

Can we get some detail photos of that rear seat area ? This subject was kicked around
at length a few years ago, with no real conclusions. Perhaps there are clues about how
Mother Mopar finished this area in on the biz-coops on this car ???
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desertsky
Posted 2016-01-11 11:56 PM (#500796 - in reply to #500653)
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Not sure why my recent posts are pushed to the bottom of the thread or is that just what I am seeing from my screen, not sure,

Doctor DeSoto, I can get a few more details of the rear seat area, is there anyplace in particular anyone would like a close up of? Glad to document anything else while I am at it, let me know, might need some assistance in posting them, beyond that no problem.
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Powerflite
Posted 2016-01-12 12:06 AM (#500797 - in reply to #500796)
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If you put a 300D hemi, 350 or 361 motor in that, it would be the equivalent of a '58 Road Runner. High performance on the cheap.

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58coupe
Posted 2016-01-12 9:58 AM (#500816 - in reply to #500653)
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Doc, one thing we have determined from this car and mine, the brackets to hold the rear seat in place were torched off apparently at the factory but I have no idea what the panels looked like for the seat delete.
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2016-01-12 10:20 AM (#500819 - in reply to #500653)
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What are the Condition of the floors and trunk in this one ?It looks like a great project ,Is anything left of the interior to use for patterns ? Thanks .
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desertsky
Posted 2016-01-12 11:17 AM (#500820 - in reply to #500653)
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Car is a great project car, az car so very solid but there are a couple of minor spots that I would patch, even out here just due to age there can some minor rust, I will try and get more pics, there are no door panels or rear panels, bench seat is in good shape framewise and springwise, upholstery on bench has expired and hay/stuffing is showing, doors, hood and deck lid close clean and fit well, never any collision damage besides the dent or two in the bumper, firewall and engine bay are clean, as seen in the images, the heater delete and blower motor delete covers are there, dash is 100% complete, great overall car, would also do a package deal for the business coupe and a 1969 dodge super bee, numbers matching car, 383 AT, WM21 it is also a builder but 100% there and was recently running and driving, recently had all trim, grill, tail lights removed and boxed for a re-paint, in primer now, factory rallye dash, M46 factory side scoops, has fender tag, 15 for both, do not want to muddy the waters on the business coupe car but did want to mention the Bee in case someone might like that deal better. Bee is in storage so it would take me a week or so for pictures, but can describe details if interested.

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2016-01-12 12:01 PM (#500821 - in reply to #500819)
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Neat!
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2016-01-12 4:22 PM (#500843 - in reply to #500821)
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Doc, on my car I have glue residue on the wheel wells. As if vinyl was on them. Other than that mine just had a plane cardboard panel.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2016-01-12 6:47 PM (#500861 - in reply to #500700)
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painted horn ring. I wonder if this one came with painted hub caps. looks like a genuine no-frills car.
can anyone read the data plate? I wonder if this had any options at all (looks like it might have a back-up light)? It reminds me of that absolutely no-option '58 Dodge club coupe a member owned.

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firedome
Posted 2016-01-13 10:06 AM (#500918 - in reply to #500653)
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Yes that Dodge was Jeff's car here in upstate NY... I think he finally cut it up as there was no interest in it!
Very cool stripper Plym!
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desertsky
Posted 2016-01-20 12:23 AM (#501720 - in reply to #500653)
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Business coupe has had a couple of trade offers but nothing interesting, reduced price is 4,500 or trade.
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Swept57
Posted 2016-01-20 10:00 AM (#501751 - in reply to #500653)
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I really, really hope someone restores this to factory original and not hot-rod or Christine it. I would sleep better knowing that at least one of these remains as built.
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2016-01-20 4:05 PM (#501786 - in reply to #500653)
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Yes it would be nice to see this one restored ,But it seems most of the 1958 Plymouths don't end up that way .
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2016-01-20 4:12 PM (#501788 - in reply to #500653)
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I myself own a original 1958 Plymouth Convertible it is a original red car ,I was happy with it being a red car when I bought it that was in 1990 now the thought of it being another red 58 Plymouth doesn't excite me .
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-01-22 12:22 PM (#501976 - in reply to #501751)
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From above:

I really, really hope someone restores this to factory original and not hot-rod or Christine it.
I would sleep better knowing that at least one of these remains as built.

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Yes that Dodge was Jeff's car here in upstate NY... I think he finally cut it up as there was no
interest in it!

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There are a very few of us (although the number seems to be growing) of fools who are bored
with the same-old, same-old cars and have found the strippers to be a purposely ignored and
interesting alternative to the over-blinged go-fast mobiles.

Tan and puke green sedans and wagons with dog dishies and blackwall tires may not have the
Barrett-Jackson sex appeal of the big-engined, red and white ego stroker, but they represent a
very real part of the times and they say quite a bit about the personalities involved - attention
seeker vs. someone genuinely interested in period cool.

As built ? Even mine was not quite stripped enough and I removed the side trim to give it the
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60crossram
Posted 2016-01-24 10:42 AM (#502158 - in reply to #500653)
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I assume that the Business Coupes would have had a cardboard panel separating the trunk and passenger compartment, but how was it attached ? Did the rubber floor mat go all the way to this panel ? Any seat brackets were removed from the body I'm sure ? Love the stripper cars !!!
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PlymouthFury
Posted 2016-01-24 10:58 AM (#502161 - in reply to #500653)
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The rear seat was optional. So I don't know if they'd remove the seat anchors. Unless if the seat was not ordered then someone torched them out? But I don't even know if they'd waste time doing that. The Chevy "utility sedans" at least in 1960 had a small platform in the back. Did the Plymouths just have nothing? I still think they'd do some kind of finish work to the back seat area.

What did the rear door panels look like? Were they still vinyl like up front or the cheapo colored board like in the 2dr wagons?

Too bad there isn't a "survivor" around or factory documentation to take notes off of.



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57DODGECONV
Posted 2016-01-24 5:02 PM (#502181 - in reply to #500653)
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Yes it seems like there would be some original literature on these cars ,This would be a great car to restore but it would be nice to have some of the factory details to go off of .
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-01-24 9:19 PM (#502191 - in reply to #502181)
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I've mentioned this here before .... I got the chance to look at a 1959 Chevy
business coupe and the rear seat area treatment was pretty much the platform
as shown above. It is the only one of ANY make I have ever seen in unmolested
condition to indicate how they were trimmed out originally.

Out of curiosity, 58 was the last year for Plaza, but did Plymouth give up building
business coupes after 58 too ? I can't remember ever hearing about one after 58.
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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2016-01-25 6:47 AM (#502211 - in reply to #500653)
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Here are a few photos of a '59 Biscayne business coupe that was on LeBay a while ago. I'd love to see an original Plymouth
rear seat area intact.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-01-25 10:58 AM (#502227 - in reply to #502211)
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Lose the stupid wheels, and that is yeah, yeah, and HELL YEAH! cool !!!!


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Swept57
Posted 2016-01-25 11:33 AM (#502230 - in reply to #502227)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2016-01-25 10:58 AM

Lose the stupid wheels, and that is yeah, yeah, and HELL YEAH! cool !!!!


Agree! But there is probably an LS motor under the hood.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2016-01-25 2:31 PM (#502246 - in reply to #500653)
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This supposed survivor 1954 Plymouth business coupe had no shelf. It was on eBay around a year ago....



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big m
Posted 2016-01-26 12:21 PM (#502367 - in reply to #500653)
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I used to drive a '58 Ford business coupe, it used a plywood shelf behind the driver seat to place luggage and parcels on.
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desertsky
Posted 2016-01-27 12:48 AM (#502433 - in reply to #500653)
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Lots of calls and some interested parties but no sale yet, I am open to a lot of trade options also, as mentioned, preferably mopar, I am reducing the price to $3,750, also 1969 super bee mentioned previously is sold, thank you to the buyer and enjoy the bee!
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desertsky
Posted 2016-02-13 1:07 PM (#504045 - in reply to #500653)
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Appreciate all the trade offers so far, all have been late model cars and just not right for me, reduce to 3,500 obo, trade as mentioned, thought for sure she would find an interesting trade, anybody have any projects to trade?
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Posted 2016-02-17 8:19 PM (#504476 - in reply to #500653)
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I sent u a pm, maybe ill buy it, and put it away for a future project
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Posted 2016-02-19 3:01 AM (#504591 - in reply to #500653)
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I had great chat with the seller of the 58 Plymouth, very honest man, honest car, was offered a great price, but the time is not right for me to purchase it right now,
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desertsky
Posted 2016-02-21 9:40 PM (#504801 - in reply to #500653)
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Business coupe is sold, congratulations to Alex the new owner, he has some great plans for it and will bring it back to its full finned glory, thank you to forwardlook for the great site and wonderful information it contains, appreciate all the thread contributors as there were some great pics and insight into these cars that were shared.
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