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samdjr74
Posted 2015-09-17 7:51 PM (#489918)
Subject: 1958 Dodge decoder needed UPDATED photo


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Hi All,

I read a few threads and I'm trying to figure out how you guys comes up with the numbering system. I can't make those numbers out because of all the paint on the tag but the lower numbers are visable. Here's what I have

 

35                              1         5

    Schedule    BDY    PNT     TRM

A1126 10035  331    3ZUZ   123

 

Block number

L325-66573

 

With all that being said, what does ths tell me?

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

And here's a picture of the tag once I got the 3+ layers of paint off

 

data tag



Edited by samdjr74 2015-09-18 10:55 AM
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2015-09-17 8:22 PM (#489921 - in reply to #489918)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge decoder needed



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Hi, Sam:

I don't have it all figured out, but it depends on where those upper numbers are located on the data plate. There are basically 27 positions on the upper part of the data plate. This looks like a Detroit data plate.

A 3 in the number one position indicates a Torqueflite Automatic three speed transmission
A 5 in the number two position indicates Air Temp air conditioning
For the other numbers we would have to see exactly what position they are in. You can indicate those by reading the top two numbers (down) above the stamped number, for example, a 501 indicates undercoating.

I have only seen As and Bs as the first letter in the lower section. I don't know what they mean.
Your car was built approximately November 26, 1957 (1126)

It is a Dodge Coronet V-8 Club Coupe (331)
The paint color is Deluxe Two Tone Gold roof, Sunshine Yellow lower, Gold fins and deck 3ZUZ
The interior is Coronet deluxe black and white
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samdjr74
Posted 2015-09-17 8:35 PM (#489922 - in reply to #489918)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed


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Thanks Mike!

It is a Detroit car, I figured that out with the vin number. It's a push button 3 speed so that sounds right but there's no provisioning for A/C that I can see. I's a V8 poly that was converted to a hemi. Interior is black and white, the color is off white and gold but it's a repaint. I don't know what sunshine yellow looks like so I'll search that out

I'm going to strip the paint off and hopefully get a better idea of the numbers.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2015-09-18 12:12 AM (#489932 - in reply to #489922)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed



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Sam, I will probably never completely figure out the coding! I have a long ways to go as it is. I would love to see pictures of your car - sounds cool.
Check out this thread for color information:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=41650&posts=24&highlight=58 dodge template&highlightmode=1#M462386

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samdjr74
Posted 2015-09-18 7:54 AM (#489949 - in reply to #489932)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed


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Hi Mike,

These colors look closer to the color of my car. I lookud up sunshine yellow on google and the colors that came up were a blinding yellow! Not a bad color but mix it with gold and it's just strange. My car looks like a cream and gold which is nice.The picture below is the day I got it a couple months ago. The day was overcast so it's a little muted.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

Lancer Mike - 2015-09-18 12:12 AM

Sam, I will probably never completely figure out the coding! I have a long ways to go as it is. I would love to see pictures of your car - sounds cool.
Check out this thread for color information:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=41650&posts=24&highlight=58 dodge template&highlightmode=1#M462386

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2015-09-18 12:47 PM (#489965 - in reply to #489949)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed



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Hi, Sam:

So there are good folks on here (Christine-lover, LD3 Greg, d500neil, among many others) that know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but I think that

3 in the first position is the Torqueflite
5 in the second position indicates air conditioning, which should automatically include Solex glass for all windows
1 in the 22nd position indicated undercoating
5 in the 27th position is a delivery code and indicates the car was delivered from the factory by truck

It seems very unusual to me that the car has air conditioning, but no other option groups like even a radio! It seems like a very frugal person from an extremely hot environment ordered the car.

Here is a recent image of another sunshine and gold car







(Sunshine and Gold Coronet Club Coupe photo.jpg)



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samdjr74
Posted 2015-09-18 12:59 PM (#489966 - in reply to #489965)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed


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Hi Mike,

 

Thanks again. The car is fairly stripped but here's what it does have in options, V8, automatic, power steering and a 1 speaker radio, that's about it.

 

Thanks,

Sam

Lancer Mike - 2015-09-18 12:47 PM Hi, Sam: So there are good folks on here (Christine-lover, LD3 Greg, d500neil, among many others) that know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but I think that 3 in the first position is the Torqueflite 5 in the second position indicates air conditioning, which should automatically include Solex glass for all windows 1 in the 22nd position indicated undercoating 5 in the 27th position is a delivery code and indicates the car was delivered from the factory by truck It seems very unusual to me that the car has air conditioning, but no other option groups like even a radio! It seems like a very frugal person from an extremely hot environment ordered the car. Here is a recent image of another sunshine and gold car

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2015-09-18 1:07 PM (#489967 - in reply to #489965)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed



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I looks like you have the basic Coronet interior. I was mistaken about the deluxe Coronet interior code!
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samdjr74
Posted 2015-09-18 1:38 PM (#489972 - in reply to #489967)
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Yeah I would say my interior is basic, but still cool in my opinion

 

Lancer Mike - 2015-09-18 1:07 PM I looks like you have the basic Coronet interior. I was mistaken about the deluxe Coronet interior code!

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-09-18 1:51 PM (#489973 - in reply to #489967)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed


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Hi Mike and Sam.

I think you will find that 5 in the second space means heater and defroster. Coded separately likely because heater, normally included in accessory groups 1 or 2, were not ordered on this car.

My notes indicate that 3 in the second space is front A/C.

Greg
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samdjr74
Posted 2015-09-18 1:53 PM (#489974 - in reply to #489973)
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Thanks Greg, that makes sense

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2015-09-18 6:49 PM (#489991 - in reply to #489974)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed



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Thanks, Greg! I will revise my notes. That did not make much sense to me on this car! With that correction, the car should NOT be equipped with Solex glass - crystal clear all the way around!
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samdjr74
Posted 2015-09-18 8:09 PM (#489994 - in reply to #489918)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed UPDATED photo


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Thanks again guys

So how does one learn this knowledge of decoding the tag? Is there a website that might help?
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-09-18 8:43 PM (#489996 - in reply to #489994)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed UPDATED photo


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samdjr74 - 2015-09-18 8:09 PM

Thanks again guys

So how does one learn this knowledge of decoding the tag? Is there a website that might help?


No website! Just years of trial and error ---- mostly error!

Greg
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2015-09-21 11:55 AM (#490183 - in reply to #489996)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed UPDATED photo



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These (see attachment) are the notes I have, in Microsoft Excel format for 1958 Dodge Detroit cowl plates.
These don't apply to other years, makes, or even codes from the Windsor, Los Angeles, or Delaware production plants!

As noted above, I have very incomplete knowledge of these - so please look at this as a work in progress.
It is not definitive and I guarantee that there are mistakes included!

However, I hope that our wide body of group knowledge can correct the mistakes and fill in blanks and gaps.

Edited by Lancer Mike 2015-09-21 2:25 PM




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samdjr74
Posted 2015-09-21 1:32 PM (#490192 - in reply to #489918)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge decoder needed UPDATED photo


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Very nice, thanks Mike!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2015-10-03 1:26 PM (#491293 - in reply to #490192)
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Based on the Regal that was recently for sale, I updated the decode.



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sermey
Posted 2015-10-04 12:17 PM (#491367 - in reply to #489918)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge decoder needed UPDATED photo


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I have cleaned your TAG-Plate. Here it is!  - SERGE - 





(1958 TAG Plate.jpg)



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samdjr74
Posted 2015-10-04 4:12 PM (#491381 - in reply to #491367)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge decoder needed UPDATED photo


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Awesome Serge, thanks! I never took an after pictures for you guys but I did a little more cleaning, hit it with a good primer and some off white paint and it turned out pretty good . When I get the car repainted down the road I'll make sure it  gets the proper color applied 

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