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| So I know they make headers for both B bodies and C bodies, will either one of those work reasonably well on a '60 dart? I'm thinking the C body ones would probably fit fairly well but... |
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Location: Netherlands | Not sure what kind of headers there are for poly'd B or C's, but the '50s and early '60s Mopars have their (power) steeringboxes in the wrong place for a good set of (long tube) headers.
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | won't fit . not enough clearance around the torsion bars . if i can find photos here of my vintage ballanger headers , those and block huggers are the only ones
that will fit ----------------------------------later
http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=24683&post...
forgot , hedman mades sets almost like mine above .
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | Here is a start if you can WELD.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-277-326-318-Poly-Exhaust-Lake-Header-... |
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This general design should work,on the tough-to-fit passenger-side.
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What else is planned for your 1960 A-318 powered Dart to aide the possible benefit of having header's ?
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| Rodger - 2015-06-02 6:30 AM
Hola Ben
What else is planned for your 1960 A-318 powered Dart to aide the possible benefit of having header's ?
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Hotter cam, throttle body fuel injection, matching electronic ignition system ( I haven't fully decided which setup I want yet but I'm leaning towards the MSD Automic setup), nitrous, quick change rear end, H rated tires or better, ditching the iron torqueflight and early polyhead for an aluminum torqueflight setup, slip yolk drive rather than ball and trunion. High compression pistons if if they can be had, if they can't, screw it, I'll machine my own. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Some more examples...
The 1957 Hedman Headers 318 Poly is shown.
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Location: Netherlands | The '57 Hedmann headers look promising from a flow standpoint.
Those custom headers shown look plain silly how that front most tube just T's into the second one, forcing the exhaust to make a hard 90 deg. turn. Or even the exhaust from the 2nd cylinder to possibly partly blow into the front port again.
I would cut that area open and create a nice smooth 'S'-blend connection for way better flow.
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | the bottom ones/block huggers directly above , some were made by spitfire and another i can't think of . -------------------------------------later |
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| I'm not beyond haking the inner fenders open and running them through the fender wells. sure tire clearance becomes an issue but with modern ceramic coatings the heat isn't as much of an issue anymore. Has anyone made fender well headers for these cars before?
I like those headman jobs, I may just copy those. In fact, I can just get some plate and plasma cut my own head plate. It won't have the mounting for the generator but I'm planning a swap to an atlernator anyway so that becomes a non issue. Again, I can fab up my own brackets for that. It's only metal, it's easy. I don't even need a crane to lift any of the parts! |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | and the hedham won't work with a clutch setup . header flange can be had from epay 45$-------------------------------------------------later |
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| 60 dart - 2015-06-07 10:02 AM
and the hedham won't work with a clutch setup . header flange can be had from epay 45$-------------------------------------------------later
that's fine, the car is an automatic. If it ever gets a manual it'll be a tremec job and a hydraulic clutch anyway. |
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Location: Houston | Wow that Cyl 2 dumping into Cyl 4 is pretty unappealing |
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| GregCon - 2015-06-07 2:36 PM
Wow that Cyl 2 dumping into Cyl 4 is pretty unappealing
It can't be any worse than the origonal log style manifolds. |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | old hot rodder once said , any headers are better than no headers ... when ya aint got no other choices a begger don't care --------------------------------------later |
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Location: bishop, ca | (From above...:
Wow that Cyl 2 dumping into Cyl 4 is pretty unappealing
MAYBE....what we are seeking is SCAVAGING of exhaust, where one exhaust runner's flow will allow an adjacent
pipe to evacuate its spent fuel charge rapidly.
We do not want to have a conflict between the flow of spent gas, in a cylinder, with the filling of an adjacent cylinder, with
an air/fuel mixture.
There is/are a lot of intraweb discussions on exhaust-gas scavenging.
Read all about it:
http://www.x-pipe.com/Scavenge.html
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| and the factory log style manifolds are better? If you care to put your money where your mouth is and show me a header design that fits and flows well, i'm all for it. |
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Location: Houston | Oh, it may well flow like the dickens* but it sure is ugly.
*But I suspect not given that I don't see a lot of modern headers using that layout |
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Location: bishop, ca | The above headers may happen to be 'industrial looking' in appearance, but that is not to say that 'YOU' could not copy/clean-up
their appearance/design via your own exalted-rendition of its runners.
Facts is/are, that I have seen this manifold's basic design-layout be executed several times, INCLUDING in the color pics
that appear at the top of this thread.
If the above headers' execution are too 'rough' for your sensibilities, you can copy their layout with your own
design......but, it does appear that, to fit headers to our DOD/PLY models, that the front passenger-side runner will have
to merge with its neighboring exhaust runner.
You can see this necessity having occurred, in the execution of the Hedman Headers' design, above.....and,
Hedman ain't no amateur operation.
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What are you planning on doing with The Heater Assembly, The Radio, The Seats and all the other items that you are needing to remove from your car so that it matches
what you are aiming for ( The 1960 Dart's used the shorter 118 inch wheel base from The Plymouth Division - which means they did not qualify to be a Patrol Car. ) ?
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Location: Houston | The Hedman design, you could kinda argue, is a sort of Tri-Y design that has some amount of symmetry and proportion. |
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| Rodger - 2015-06-12 6:53 AM
Hola Ben
What are you planning on doing with The Heater Assembly, The Radio, The Seats and all the other items that you are needing to remove from your car so that it matches
what you are aiming for ( The 1960 Dart's used the shorter 118 inch wheel base from The Plymouth Division - which means they did not qualify to be a Patrol Car. ) ?
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who said anything about patrol car? Hell no, the Phoenix is Salt bound. The seat, don't have one, radio, I have two, one needs work, the other I haven't even played with yet. The heater is staying in, infact, just spent a good deal of time refurbishing it! Actually I have two heater units but I suspect I'll have to mix and match the two to get one that works. |
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