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wizard
Posted 2023-02-25 10:26 AM (#627834 - in reply to #469368)
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Great Dieter, that means that you have more possibilities to find some. Most inportant that the "claws" are still there and not rusted away. Not the best solution as for clips, but it works.

As you can see, my spare clips has been cleaned from rust and been given a fresh galvanizing.

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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-03-01 11:10 AM (#627967 - in reply to #469368)
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Today a free working day for private affairs...

I had an appointment with the engine builder at the cylinder grinder shop. Discussion about further steps at the engine.

The crankshaft (replacement is grinded and hardened, had a color protection layer and the polished surface is another thing in Switzerland).

Discussion about the engine. For the crack, for sure there is a appropriate technical solution to make it sealed for ever. All exhaust valve seats are beyond cutting (too deep). Hardened rings will be installed. The guides for the valve stems are worn out mainly on the exhaust side. The engine builder will have an eye for valves with an oversized stem.

New words as well. The engine comes to the engine test stand to get it broken in and power/torque measurements over a wide rev range.

Happy Restoration!

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wizard
Posted 2023-03-02 3:04 PM (#627992 - in reply to #469368)
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As for cracks, look on youtube Dieter. Theres a kit with drilling template and short alu screws.....

here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq0wfU4ZaKk
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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-03-03 2:24 PM (#628011 - in reply to #627992)
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wizard - 2023-03-01 9:04 PM As for cracks, look on youtube Dieter. Theres a kit with drilling template and short alu screws..... here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq0wfU4ZaKk

Thanks Sven

I let the companies working. The boss of the company we met, did propose that solution as well. Another solution could be JB welding.

I did watch the video. The crack in the example seems to be wider than the crack in the block. Nobody knows, if the really thin crack goes fully through the wall. Rember the cracks you and me noticed at the cylinder heads of my Beast...

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Posted 2023-03-03 2:47 PM (#628012 - in reply to #469368)
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I would cut a groove into it, pre-heat it, & weld it with nickel wire - either that or braze it with brass; but it would take more heat that way.
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hemidenis
Posted 2023-03-04 1:30 AM (#628024 - in reply to #469368)
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in Argentina it is a guy who weld blocks of tractors and big machinery. He told me something like that, he made the cast iron very hot in a furnace and while hot he weld it. But he keep it hot and gradually bring it to room temperature over a 7 days period...
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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-03-05 4:32 AM (#628066 - in reply to #469368)
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Thank you for the replays.

I had another idea as well: Muggy Weld. That could work as well.

Happy Restoring!

Dieter



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wizard
Posted 2023-03-05 10:50 AM (#628070 - in reply to #469368)
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Even normal soldering could work, given clean surfaces and use of acid.
My friend and had this discussion long time ago, and one thing was just JB Weld, but with all holes temporary closed and vacuum applyed to the cylinder bank. If the crack goes trough, then the vacuum could suck in JB weld in the crack.
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wizard
Posted 2023-03-05 10:53 AM (#628071 - in reply to #628024)
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hemidenis - 2023-03-04 7:30 AM

in Argentina it is a guy who weld blocks of tractors and big machinery. He told me something like that, he made the cast iron very hot in a furnace and while hot he weld it. But he keep it hot and gradually bring it to room temperature over a 7 days period...


This is the serious way of handling with the problem Denis. What the old guys did back then, here in Sweden they used coal bedding, bringing the item up to good heat, then welding it hot. This prevent new cracks to form around the weld - a very common thing to happen if welding cold.
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Posted 2023-03-05 11:16 AM (#628072 - in reply to #469368)
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Yes, however, with advances in cast iron welding rod, namely using the proper nickel alloy; it's now quite easy to weld cast iron without cracking, and only use a much smaller amount of preheat. My welds here didn't crack and don't leak. I cut and added a whole section to it.



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wizard
Posted 2023-03-05 12:04 PM (#628075 - in reply to #469368)
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I saw your work, really nice!
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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-03-12 12:46 PM (#628209 - in reply to #469368)
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The engine block was initially magnafluxed. I just wonder why this crack they didn't discover. The result I got, was that all cylinder bores are co-centrical with an almost identical bore wall thickness.

One idea... cold welding..

Pontiac engine welding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNwYdFNDlM8

 

Happy Restoring!

Dieter



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Posted 2023-03-12 12:52 PM (#628211 - in reply to #628209)
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di_ch_NY56 - 2023-03-12 9:46 AM

The engine block was initially magnafluxed. I just wonder why this crack they didn't discover. The result I got, was that all cylinder bores are co-centrical with an almost identical bore wall thickness.

One idea... cold welding..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNwYdFNDlM8

Happy Resotring! Dieter



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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-04-15 11:49 PM (#628930 - in reply to #469368)
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Yesterday afternoon I did clean the filter cases of my Letter. Of course the covers need a new paint job. The underside of the base plate a surface rust removal and rust inhibiter primer.

Happy Restoring!

Dieter





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jwheath68
Posted 2023-04-18 10:40 AM (#628985 - in reply to #469368)
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How’s the project coming? Did you find a solution for the block?
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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-04-19 2:05 PM (#629005 - in reply to #628985)
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jwheath68 - 2023-04-17 4:40 PM How’s the project coming? Did you find a solution for the block?

 

Hi

Thank you for your question. Nothing new under the sky. No answer from the engine builder nor from the cylinder grinder shop. The last I sent to the cylinder grinder shop is the metal stitching process documented on an engine block (preferred method over two component glue with a CNC-machined plate over the crack).

Happy Restoring!

Dieter

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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-04-22 4:47 AM (#629048 - in reply to #469368)
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Last Tuesday, or last Tuesday one week ago, I destroyed the top thread (leaking now). No replacement in sight anymore. So the brake system will be unfinished forever...

Happy Restoring!

Dieter



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56D500boy
Posted 2023-04-22 6:34 AM (#629049 - in reply to #629048)
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I destroyed the top thread (leaking now). No replacement in sight anymore. So the brake system will be unfinished forever...


Not like you to be so negative Dieter. Of course there are solutions to your problem and probably not for too much $$.

Following your 5-58-1 hint in that tiny tiny image from the 1960 Mopar parts catalogue, I found what I think is the correct PN for the tee on page 5-11 as PN 2123 218.

When I chased 2123 218 in eBay as "2123218 brake line tee", there were no perfect hits but there were some very close ones. Have a look at these and post a photo of your tee:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2510209.m570.l131...

One example:

Brake Line 3-Port Tee Fitting SAE 3/8-24 Inverted Flare Edelmann 3/16" 3-Way Tee

https://www.ebay.com/itm/122665110171



Hang in there. All is NOT lost


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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-05-02 2:03 PM (#629287 - in reply to #469368)
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I'm very nervous... so a storm in a water glass did appear.

I'm in contact with John (Big M). The brake tee is not forgotten. sooner, or later I gonna get it. Big thanks to you John.

Happy Restoring!

Dieter

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samstrader
Posted 2023-05-10 4:09 PM (#629438 - in reply to #469368)
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Yes, however, with advances in cast iron welding rod, namely using the proper nickel alloy; it's now quite easy to weld cast iron without cracking, and only use a much smaller amount of preheat. My welds here didn't crack and don't leak. I cut and added a whole section to it.

Amazing welding cast iron Nathan.  I didn't know that could be done yet.  I thought only brazing worked which wasn't all that strong.  I'm sure glad to know about this.  There are opportunites for me on this.

Thanks for showing this.

 

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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-05-17 2:28 PM (#629620 - in reply to #469368)
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There is a professional cast iron welder in Germany, who restored the exhaust manifold with one broken mounting ear (to the exhaust system). He welds the Mercedes Benz truck engine with imperfections from the casting process. I did a proposal mail to the engine builder and cylinder grinder. But no answer so far....

IVG Reviguss GmbH
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Am Steinfeld 3 - 5
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Deutschland

Happy Restoring!

Dieter

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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-06-04 2:26 AM (#629976 - in reply to #469368)
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The main brake cylinder is back together (intended was to install the boot correctly). Of course I know that work had to be done prior to mount the brake cylinder to the reinforcement plate....

To mount the collar with the boot again, I had to release the brake pressure through the brake cylinder at the passenger side rear wheel. Of course I did open the bleeding screw too ways (should be 1/4 of a 360 degree turn). In comparison to the New Yorker (Beast) the wheels were not mounted wile replacing all wheel cylinders.

Sometimes, of often, I feel overstrained while restoring that car.

Happy Restoring!

Dieter





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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-06-18 3:44 AM (#630278 - in reply to #469368)
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The brake sytem is basically bleeded now. Some air bubbles are still in the system, with a geysir in the main brake cylinder pot when applying the brakes with my left hand, while inspecting the pot through the open windshield opening.

Full air extraction later on when the passenger floor is protected.

Happy Restoration!

dieter

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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-07-08 9:30 AM (#630662 - in reply to #469368)
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The dashboard is at the body and paint shop again for the charcoal part repainting job. Ready during August 2023.

Engine: absolutley bad story. Nothing did happen so far

Even though the amount is ready on my account for years.

I assume mostly due to a talk of a member here to the engine builder boss. A black painting on me forever. He shot directly into my back.

I do not forgive, I do not  want to talk to that person anymore.

The rumour the engine builder did mention at the visit of the cylinder grinders job was "he has no money, we will wait until he saved some money"!

Happy Restoring!

Dieter

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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-07-16 7:33 AM (#630792 - in reply to #469368)
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News about the engine block. I got a call from the engine builder last week. He went to the Gussschweisser homepage and did agree with a professional repair of the engine block crack.

This morning I wrote to the company (Gusschweisser.de) to ask if they would be open at July, 31st, 2023.

There are two options I'm thinking about now.

a) picking up the engine block at the cylinder grinders and bring it to Germany on the same day (July 31st)

b) picking up the engine block on July, 29th this year and store it over the weeking in my daily driver to start early on the Monday to drive 335 km one way from my home to bring the engine block to Germany (Buch am Wald).

Happy Restoring!

Dieter

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hemidenis
Posted 2023-07-16 9:40 AM (#630798 - in reply to #469368)
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Darn I missed the whole engine saga. What a pain in the neck, apparently engines rebuilders are the same around the world, they don't even consider making things right to a customer living in another country.
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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-07-31 5:04 AM (#631050 - in reply to #630798)
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hemidenis - 2023-07-15 3:40 PM Darn I missed the whole engine saga. What a pain in the neck, apparently engines rebuilders are the same around the world, they don't even consider making things right to a customer living in another country.

 

The whole saga did turn another way. I got a mail from the wife of the professional cast iron welder in Berg am Wald in Germany. No appointment available for a not definded time due to the reason the welder is on duty actually.

I did a phone call to the engine builder to inform and propose "metal stitching method" as an alternative. We did agree to wait to what will happen to the professional cast welder (most probably a health issue).

Happy Restoring!

Dieter

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Posted 2023-07-31 11:55 PM (#631068 - in reply to #631050)
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I don’t know if you’re looking to replace your engine, but a ‘60 Imperial 413 just came available for a cheap price. Might be a rebuildable core? Not mine, just want to help.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ForwardLook/permalink/10159926237314...
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Posted 2023-08-01 2:16 AM (#631069 - in reply to #469368)
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I am suffering with you Dieter. I don`t tell you what to do here , I am just telling you what I would consider. Make a cover plate out of soft copper sheet hammering it to fit over the whole
freeze plug hole and attaching it to the cylinderblock with a number of M5 12.9 machine screws. When the copper is formed to fit you put enough 260 deg celsius silicone on the block and
screw it down evenly so the silicone comes out all around the cover. Sweep off the extra material and carefully wash the edges. Of course you first of all have to put a stop screw at the absolute end of the crack.Copper can be painted with epoxy as primer.
I mention this since I have done this once 30 years ago and still today it is not leaking. This I know since I still use the tractor it was done to.
It is frankenstein thinking yes but hey these are still cars aren`t they and your youth is ticking away Dieter.
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Posted 2023-08-01 5:56 PM (#631090 - in reply to #469368)
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I've never seen a cast iron weld that lasted. That doesn't mean it is not possible, BUT in such an application, were you spend many thousands of Euros and many, many hours into a block, you should be 100% sure.
Given the fact, that there is no numbers matching block, only a vague time matching and that the 300 blocks were regular 413 New Yorker/Imperial blocks, I'd get a parts car with a good 413. I will buy the 8.3/4 from you then, if its not an Imp
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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2023-12-29 8:07 AM (#633198 - in reply to #469368)
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Two times verified that nearby is a good, professional cast iron welder (oldtimer engine blocks and heads, and more)

Over the last two afternoons I replaced the master brake cylinder. Easy to replace and all is sealed again. At the pedal now pressure builds up (few air bubbles went out of the reservoir,I guess that's normal).

Not easy, but I managed to get the front wheels off as well (heat gun) - no wonder the center hole and the flange at the brake drum must be clean, with no color on it. Now I have to look for a person who holds the brake pedal downl (or a bag with snow chains) to start bleeding.





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Posted 2023-12-29 10:06 AM (#633199 - in reply to #469368)
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Nice to see your posts again Dieter! Since you don't have the dashboard mounted it should be easy to put in a wooden wedge somewhere on the pedal fulcrum.

You can bleed the brakes by first open a bleeder, press down the pedal, insert suitable wooden wedge, tighten the bleeder, remove the wedge. Repeat as needed. This is how I do it when I dont have any helper available.

Takes longer time, but works......
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Posted 2023-12-30 11:36 AM (#633211 - in reply to #633199)
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wizard - 2023-12-28 4:06 PM Nice to see your posts again Dieter! Since you don't have the dashboard mounted it should be easy to put in a wooden wedge somewhere on the pedal fulcrum. You can bleed the brakes by first open a bleeder, press down the pedal, insert suitable wooden wedge, tighten the bleeder, remove the wedge. Repeat as needed. This is how I do it when I dont have any helper available. Takes longer time, but works......

Thanks my friend, I guess I need one more bottle of DOT4-Brake fluid... Most probably next week. Happy New Year 2024 for you and your family.



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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2024-01-05 5:14 AM (#633298 - in reply to #469368)
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The brake are bled, the rear brake pads adjusted.

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Posted 2024-04-02 7:05 AM (#634500 - in reply to #469368)
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Last week I had a phone call the the employee of the cyinder grinder company (where the block, the crankshaft, both cylinder heads and the rotating assembly are sitting now).

I did fully agree with the metal stitching method for the crack in the engine block. Furthermore I said, please clean the other side of the block as well to check for a crack as well.

I did inform the engine builder. No anser so far. He (the engine builder) was hanging on the idea, that I gonna seek for a better 413 engine block. My answer was just (in the mail) it's like seeking for a needle in a haystack.

Happy Restoring!

Dieter

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Posted 2024-04-03 3:02 AM (#634519 - in reply to #469368)
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Dieter, don't give up to convince the engine builder that he should do his job
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Posted 2024-04-15 8:03 AM (#634705 - in reply to #469368)
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Thanks to MoPar

Now longer ago I got 12 clips for the moulding (surrounding windshield and rear window). The ones are smaller (I assume for the windshield) the others are bigger (I assume for the rear window). The bigger clips I just have three rusted clips. But double amount of the smaller clips.

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Posted 2024-04-15 11:58 AM (#634707 - in reply to #469368)
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Dieter, ask Carlo Notaro, he might have some https://www.facebook.com/notaro.se/
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Posted 2024-04-16 1:24 AM (#634717 - in reply to #634707)
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wizard - 2024-04-14 5:58 PM Dieter, ask Carlo Notaro, he might have some https://www.facebook.com/notaro.se/

Thanks Sven I'm in contact with John.

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