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sconut1
Posted 2014-09-23 12:18 AM (#457120)
Subject: Goodbye 440....hello A block 318


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Well, its near the end of car show season. In fact, one more rural Alberta show, known as Pumpkinfest and it's bedtime for the Fury. But it's won't get its usual off-season nap this year. In between NFL Sundays, (Go Cowboys, Eagles and Ravens), it will be loosing it's 1969 hotrod power plant, and welcoming it's totally re-built 1957 drivetrain. I have a lot of work to do. Today, I separated the engine and transmission I got from John Fowlie and the transmission is off to the rebuilders tomorrow morning. It's an air cooled A488 transmission and I'm pretty sure the guy at the transmission shop might have worked on these cars when there were still the odd one in daily use. He ain't no spring chicken....and I'll leave it at that. I'm kind of stoked to have him working on it. When I called to book the appointment....I could hear the excitement in his voice. He wanted to know if I could bring it in right away! I told him he'd have to wait 'till tomorrow until I got it unbolted from the engine. Separating a A488 from a 318A isn't quite as pleasant a task as separating a modern day transmission, but it doesn't totally suck. As I discovered, there are eight moderately pain in the butt TC to crankshaft nuts to remove. With the engine and transmission still bolted together and suspended from a forklift, I found that you need to pull the inspection plate, but with all the dirt and dust, it didn't look like there was one! Indeed there was. With my buddy having a slightly better torque vantage point than I, with me lying under the floor under the engine, he cracked the TC nuts, and I undid them bagging both nuts and washers, labeled appropriately. After a couple of missed bell housing bol ts, we were able to separate the transmission from the engine. The torque converter decided to stay on the engine. With some gentle persuasion (wiggle back and forth), I was able to pull the TC from the crank. Transmission separated. I've read where others have had issues with this. All I can say is the fasteners were not corroded on this engine and tranny combination and though not "modern", wasn't really that bad. Beer helps (doesn't it always?) So tomorrow, I tear into the 318A. I hope to have some pics to post. But, I do have a few questions for y'all. 1. I watched John's guys pull this combination out of an 1958 Belvedere. Today I noticed, that there is green paint on the valve covers. Anyone know what might be up with the green paint? Tomorrow will also be power wash day for the block, so I'll be looking for LP2-XXXXX somewhere on the engine. If not, I suppose this won't break my heart. I'd decided on not going with an FP31 stamped engine, so even it isn't a 1958 engine, it is what it is. It's going in the car. I should mention that this engine will get a total rebuild. I don't care how good its internals may be, and in fact, I think it's probably not in bad shape. It's still getting the full meal deal. If the pistons are really good, I might re-use them, and the con-rods, but if there's any doubt, it's all getting replaced. There's a certain amount of interchangeability between 318A and 318LA engines. Should this cause pistons and rods to be super cheap, then they'll get changed regardless of condition as well. 2. I want to get the cam done to Fury spec. I'm going with the numbers published in Marvin Raguse's 1957 Plymouth Fury Restorer's Guide. I tried calling Iskandarian Cams this morning, only to find that their phone number no longer works. I then called Crane Cam. The guy I spoke with wanted duration at 50 thousands lift, gross valve lift, and the intake center line. I told him I'd get back to him. Does anyone know this info about the Fury cams? What should I need to tell people to get a Fury cam made? Who would folks here go to get this cam made? Has anyone ever heard of Chris Nielson cams? FYI...here's the info I got from Marv's book. The first numbers are for the Standard cam; the second numbers are for the Fury Cam. Intake...Open..BTC..8 Degrees...17 Degrees ............close..ABC..52 Degrees..59 Degrees Exhaust.Open..BBC..52 Degrees..55 Degrees ............Close..ATC..8 Degrees....21 Degrees Lift Intake + Exhaust 0.387........0.405 Any input on the cam is appreciated! More posts on this to come.

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ply57nz
Posted 2014-09-23 4:25 AM (#457136 - in reply to #457120)
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Nielson cams done the cam for my engine ( 301 poly A engine) He suggested a 2x4 fury cam for my engine and the service was fantastic. The info on the tag that came with the cam is as follows

Engine Mopar 318 'poly'
Cam Grind 405M
Valve lift .405"
Duration 256 degrees (203 degrees@ .050")
Valve Clearance .018" in&ex

109 degrees L.S.A is written on the side of the tag so not sure what that is.

Hope that helps

Cheers Norm

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Mopar1
Posted 2014-09-23 5:38 AM (#457139 - in reply to #457136)
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fenix
Posted 2014-09-23 10:02 AM (#457158 - in reply to #457120)
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8 bolts on the crankshaft? my 61 318 has 6. LA 318 pistons won't work, rods will.
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Posted 2014-09-23 11:56 AM (#457171 - in reply to #457120)
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#1. The Engine Date and Size Code is always located on the front left face of the A 277, A-301, A-318 or A-326's block. It is stamped --- just below the Deck.

#1a. Their is a lot of items that went from a 1956 Plymouth Poly to LA-273's, LA-318's and LA-340's. This list start is:

.. the Oil Pump
... The Rod's
.... Every Bearing
.....The Valve Springs

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From The LA Series of engines you can source a "Windage Tray" or a Engine Cooling Fan Drive ( #TEM 271-303 ) and a matching Engine Cooling Fan from any Rear Wheel Drive
1975 - 1988 GM or MoPar.




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Mopar1
Posted 2014-09-23 1:38 PM (#457183 - in reply to #457158)
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8 bolts on the crankshaft? my 61 318 has 6. LA 318 pistons won't work, rods will.
Through '61 should be 8 bolt, though I've seen reports of cranks in some pre-62 hemis & polys having 6 bolt cranks.
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sconut1
Posted 2014-09-25 1:10 AM (#457303 - in reply to #457120)
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Hmm..... it's looking like this is not an original engine from the car. I did some looking around on Bing this morning. As usual, no one seem to agree on engine color, but I did find some people saying that for '63 only, the 318 was Turquoise. I'm a guy....is Turquoise kind of a green color? I did see a stamping on the front to the block. Its: 1737929. Anyone have any ideas about this number
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sconut1
Posted 2014-09-25 1:11 AM (#457304 - in reply to #457120)
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Transmission out of the car and on it's way to the transmission shop. Also, a close up of the torque converter





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sconut1
Posted 2014-09-25 1:37 AM (#457306 - in reply to #457120)
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sconut1
Posted 2014-09-25 1:40 AM (#457307 - in reply to #457120)
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Water pump off.

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sconut1
Posted 2014-09-25 1:46 AM (#457308 - in reply to #457120)
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Intake manifold off...not too shabby! No signs of sludge. Coolant passages are disgusting though. Funny, the coolant that came out of the engine was nice and green. Guess this is what happens when things sit for a while. The water pump impeller was totally incased in a salt like substance. I've got a pic of that, but it's too big to post.

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sconut1
Posted 2014-09-25 1:50 AM (#457309 - in reply to #457120)
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Heads off. Look Ma.....no ridges to ream! There's slight corrosion on the cylinder wall. The pistons came out quite easily, using slight persuasion from a plastic hammer. One came out so easily it fell on the floor. Oops... we promise not to do that again.....

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sconut1
Posted 2014-09-25 1:58 AM (#457311 - in reply to #457120)
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Oil pan off and cam is removed. All the bearings looked decent, until I pulled the cap from #5. I'm pretty sure that this is what killed this engine. Lots of babbit gone from the bearing, and much of it appears to be deposited on the #5 (rear main) journal. I hope this won't wreck the crank, but we'll find out when this all makes a trip to the engine rebuilder.

Incidentally, this bearing seems too small. Anyone have any thoughts?



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Posted 2014-09-25 3:32 AM (#457312 - in reply to #457120)
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1737929 is a shared casting number from 57-64 . the number you need to designate year of your motor is on the drivers side just below the deck on that big wide
flat spot . its stamped not cast onto the block . might take some heavy cleaning to see em as some aren't stamped real deep . i'm kinda curious as to the year it
actually is ----------------------------------------------------------later
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Posted 2014-09-25 5:05 AM (#457315 - in reply to #457120)
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Maybe it is a truck engine?

http://dodgesweptline.org/phorum/read.php?2,3340,3340#msg-3340
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Posted 2014-09-25 9:54 AM (#457333 - in reply to #457120)
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You should check the back of the bearings for oversize markings, also check the piston top for same. IIRC Sears sold rebuilt engines in this color.
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Posted 2014-09-25 11:43 AM (#457347 - in reply to #457333)
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machine shop guy told me to never ream the ridges, the use the original bore to center the boring bar, if Your going .030, i have a new set of pistons and rings for sale, not dished truck pistons either.
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sconut1
Posted 2014-09-25 1:02 PM (#457357 - in reply to #457120)
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I didn't check the bearings for oversize. I'll have a look when I get the rest of it back to my place tomorrow. My mechanic buddy checked the bores for me, and he says the engine is .030 over. I won't know if I can leave it at .030 with a light hone or if the rebuilder will want to go to .040 (or whatever the next size there's pistons available for.
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Posted 2014-09-25 2:04 PM (#457364 - in reply to #457120)
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Hola

The short length Engine Mounts and the rear dumping left Exhaust Manifold both are "car division" items.

The bracket on The "center dumping" Right Exhaust Manifold is for The 12 Volt Generator Mounting.

All Three Bolt Valve Tappet Covers are of The MoPar Chrome Colour Days. In 1963 all A-318's only had Two Bolts to hold The Valve Tappet Covers
...and the Spark Plug Looms are spot welded on.

It is now 2014 and the Chrome Colour is getting had to find with-out reaching deep. For this reason some are now using a High Temp Alum Colour.

If you contact any place and ask for a O.E.M. 1966 Dodge Truck A-318 Cam Shaft --- the spec's of it are very - very good for a Torque Motor.

For a another or new Gasket, Bearing and Ring Set --- say it is for a 1966 Dodge Truck Motor that is for a Three Ton. This A-318 Engine is what is
called a Dash Three ( -3 ). The same set ( with a larger diam piston rings ) used for a 1970 LA-340 is called High Performance.




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sconut1
Posted 2014-09-25 3:17 PM (#457384 - in reply to #457120)
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Hi Roger:

Thanks for the info. I'm really pleased to hear that about the valve covers. It looks like there's some '50s in this engine after all. I still have to clean the block, and maybe I'll get lucky and find the LP2 making on that engine after all. That color really threw me. Fenix also mentioned that 8 bolt cranks are not usually found on 50's engines. That concerned me a little too. But, maybe someone put in a beefier crank when the engine was rebuilt last? Who knows.

I dropped off my oil pan, valve covers, manifolds, timing chain cover and intake manifold at the rebuilders this morning for hot tanking and bead blasting. There going to check out my distributor too. I told them not to get too carried away on the distributor as it will be in there only temporarily until I find a dual points distributor.

As soon as I finish this post, I'll call Chris Nielson and order a cam. Once it's here, I'll send the block, crank and pistons in to the rebuilder and get it all done. Gotta love a re-builder who has no fear of Poly engines!
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Posted 2014-09-25 6:42 PM (#457406 - in reply to #457120)
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Hola Gord

From The 1956 A-277 V8 to a 1961 A-318 V8, every one used a eight bolt Crank Shaft. It made no differance if it was a four bbl pay more option or the 2 bbl version.

The Distributor is the same as used in newer LA-318's. This means that you may source one from a 1985 318 Dodge Van that is Electronic. There must be a reason that every
maker of Dual Points went away - even before The Electronic Design was introduced.




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Posted 2014-09-27 7:52 PM (#457588 - in reply to #457120)
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Electronic ignition, or not; you should send your distributor to a facility that can dial in its performance, for maximal
MPG and MPH.

The OEM design specifications on MoPar distributors is typically very conservative; there is a lot of hidden performance lurking in
your engine's OEM distributor/vacuum advance system....which is relatively easy to unleash.


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Posted 2014-09-27 9:57 PM (#457596 - in reply to #457588)
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d500neil - 2014-09-27 7:52 PM

Electronic ignition, or not; you should send your distributor to a facility that can dial in its performance, for maximal
MPG and MPH.

The OEM design specifications on MoPar distributors is typically very conservative; there is a lot of hidden performance lurking in
your engine's OEM distributor/vacuum advance system....which is relatively easy to unleash.




Exactly, when the built these things at the factory, the first thing they did is select the dizzy and place it on the assembly line belt, that determined how the car would be built, all other parts to the car were built around that individual part.
I don't know the exact reason, but I kew someone in the NASA shutttle program, they told me the higher ups and even Morton-Thiokol covered up the Challenger MURDER, the real blame was the incorrect vacumn advance setting on the boosters not alowing the boosters to achieve full thrust.

WWII, the second bomb, "Little Boy" was also traced back to an incorrect advance on it's dizzy, allowing it to prematurely detonate at 2700 feet instead of the prescribed 1700. Just kiddin', we all know there's no dizzy on such a crude Plutoninum device.

1912, the Titanic could have avoided the iceberg, but the chief engineer and monkeyed with the advances on the dizzy's on two of the engines, when the Capt. asked for more power, it wasn't there and couldn't avoid the berg.

1941, Pearl harbor, none of the aircraft launched to counter the Japanese attack could come up to speed and ward of the attack, why?, You guessed it, experimental dizzy's had been installed in all the fighter's at the base commanders orders.

I personally remove my dizzy every night and place it in a safe, once a week I fly it to MSD HQ and have it verified, then it's sent to National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). for verification, yep I take no chances my dizzy is not 100%.






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sconut1
Posted 2014-10-08 12:53 AM (#458513 - in reply to #457120)
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Today, I sent my Camshaft off to Chis Nielson Vintage Racing Cams for, well, modification. Chris tells me that he can build a Fury cam from the cam that was in my car. He has excellent pricing.

http://www.nielsoncams.com/

I tried Iskandarian, but there was no phone number on their website that worked. I tried Crane Cams, but they didn't like the specs that I gave them and needed more information. I'd forgotten about Chris and that he did this type of work. So thanks Norm (Ply57nz) for reminding me! I think my Camshaft project is in good hands with Chris.
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mstrug
Posted 2014-10-08 5:07 AM (#458525 - in reply to #457120)
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Here another cam maker:

http://www.camcraftcams.com/index.php?page=318-chrysler
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mstrug
Posted 2014-10-08 5:15 AM (#458526 - in reply to #457120)
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Chris' jnfo:

Chris Nielson Cams
P.O. Box 416
644 West 100 North
Farmington, UT 84025
(801)451-7745
Camshafts, Timing Components and other engine parts.
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mstrug
Posted 2014-10-08 5:17 AM (#458527 - in reply to #457120)
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Don't know if this is current, Headers!

Spitfire Headers
2823 Highway 348
Rudy, Arkansas 72952
1-501-474-0120
Harold Block hugger headers for Poly 318 Approx. $150.00
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mstrug
Posted 2014-10-08 5:28 AM (#458529 - in reply to #457120)
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article on polys:

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/howto/mopp_0110_how_to_give_a_31...
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Posted 2014-10-08 11:35 AM (#458546 - in reply to #457120)
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I used Chris Nielson for my Fury cam, and was quite pleased with the service and product.

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sconut1
Posted 2014-10-08 11:50 PM (#458596 - in reply to #457120)
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Hi John:

Cool! I'm glad to hear you've used him and were happy with the results. Makes me even more confident in my decision to use Chris. I'm sure he will do a good job.

To be honest, I can't wait to post photos of the engine you sold me decked out in Fury colors back in the car! I'm kind of stoked over this project.

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Posted 2014-10-09 11:35 AM (#458622 - in reply to #458596)
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sconut1 - 2014-10-08 8:50 PM

Hi John:

Cool! I'm glad to hear you've used him and were happy with the results. Makes me even more confident in my decision to use Chris. I'm sure he will do a good job.

To be honest, I can't wait to post photos of the engine you sold me decked out in Fury colors back in the car! I'm kind of stoked over this project.



Looking forward to seeing it myself, Gord!
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sconut1
Posted 2014-11-20 11:30 PM (#462405 - in reply to #457120)
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Hi All:

It's been way too long since I updated this post, so here's an update as to where this project of mine is sitting at the moment.


Today's word of the day: Over-budget

Meh.....


I'm going to call the transmission place tomorrow. Based on my last conversation with them, it should be ready to go. My unofficial price for a rebuild was $700.00, but apparently, it needed bands, which were $200.00 each, so they sent them out for rebuild at a lower cost. There were also some additional internal issues, so the re-build will stand me about $1500.00.

The engine.... was supposed to come in around $2600.00, not including Chris Nielson's work. However, the rebuilder found that the pistons had some, and I forget the exact term for this, some "knurling" on the piston skirts. Apparently, this "knurling" is done on a piston to compensate for a slightly "inadequate" bore. The re-builder said that he had the machine to do this, but that no one does this anymore on engine rebuilds, and that the right way to do this would be to bore to the next interval (in my case, .40 over), and replace pistons and rings as appropriate. I'd asked for hardened exhaust seats earlier, but unfortunately, 7 out of 8 exhaust valves were burned and I'd asked for 8 our of 8 to be replaced. There were also 3 intake valves that were beyond repair, so they're being replaced as well. Valves aren't expensive, but when you add the valves to the overbore to the new pistons....well, add an extra $1100.00 to the original work order and you're at, $3700.00.

My ass hurts now. This project is an excellent substitute for a hemorrhoid.

My rebuilders tell me.... "...it's old car stuff". I suppose they're right. Doesn't take the sting out of my left or right cheek though.....

I'll have a good motor and transmission when I'm done though! This car is driving to Carlisle from western Canada next year, so stuff's gotta be done right.

I went to Cooper Brother's Auto Electric here in town. I asked for a rebuild of my starter and generator. Turns out for around $400.00, I can get re-man units from Wilson electric out of Winnipeg has both re-build and ready to go. Sold! I pick 'em up on Monday.

Engine rebuild parts won't be in until Dec. So it looks like my Fury will have a heck of a Christmas present waiting for it.

In the meantime, I'm going to have a buddy of mine video me doing a compression test and a startup of the Fury with the 440 in it, so prospective buyers of my old engine will be able to see what they're going to get. It will be impossible to do this with the engine out of the car. Once John does the video of me
doing the startup and compression test, I'll re-paint the underside of the hood in an equishene tone to match my trunk. Then I'll pull the outer and inner fenders, re-paint the inner fenders (Glenn B.... you're engine compartment is too cool not to duplicate), repaint the firewall to body color and get the new drive train installed.

Stay tuned y'all...... plenty more good stuff and pics to come!




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Posted 2014-11-21 2:52 AM (#462413 - in reply to #462405)
Subject: Re: Goodbye 440....hello A block 318



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Knurled pistons was a stop-gap measure to help extend the life of sloppy worn pistons in years gone by, I've seen a few on very old engines many years ago but it's just not done any more due to the fact that piston manufacture and technology has advanced to the point that pistons are relatively inexpensive nowdays compared to the labor to knurl up a set of pistons it would probably be cheaper to buy new pistons and rebore the engine and that's the way I would go if it were my engine.

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sconut1
Posted 2014-11-25 11:53 PM (#462834 - in reply to #457120)
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A few new parts have finally started to roll in. Here's my new generator and starter.....



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sconut1
Posted 2014-11-25 11:58 PM (#462837 - in reply to #457120)
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For S&G's, here's some pics of my new engine crane and the cross member from the '58 Plymouth that I'll be using to donate engine mounts from and will also be using to help me establish position for the new mounts.

Apparently....my engine crane photo is too big to post....

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sconut1
Posted 2014-11-26 12:04 AM (#462839 - in reply to #457120)
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For more S&Gs.....here's some before photos of the 440 in it's current resting spot....

Notice my incorrect black firewall....this will change once the engine is out.

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goat19642004
Posted 2014-11-27 8:01 AM (#462943 - in reply to #457120)
Subject: Re: Goodbye 440....hello A block 318



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What are you running for exhaust manifolds on that 440?
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sconut1
Posted 2014-11-28 9:23 PM (#463067 - in reply to #457120)
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Hi Goat:

Some folks at car shows have mentioned that to me that they're "the good ones". I don't really know what that means, but I had one guy trying to buy them from me at the last car show I attended. I can tell you that that 440 is a high performance engine as it has the H stamp on the boss and it is out of a 1969 Plymouth GTX based on the serial number on boss on the side of the block above the oil pan. The exhaust manifolds are Chrysler manifolds as they have the Pentastar on them and have a "normal" looking part number on them.

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goat19642004
Posted 2014-11-30 8:08 AM (#463180 - in reply to #457120)
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Thanks for the reply. Do you have any side view pictures of the engine? I'm trying to figure out the best exhaust manifold/ header option for my car. I also have a 440(bored and stroked to a 493) that Currenty has a set of homemade headers that are causing me some headaches. I'm new to the Mopar world and unfamiliar with different types of manifolds. Now ask me about Pontiacs and I'll have the answer!
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narleycharlie
Posted 2014-11-30 11:16 AM (#463195 - in reply to #457120)
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Yes please post side shots of the manifolds. And also a shot of the drop down by the steering box.
They look like HP manifolds.

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sconut1
Posted 2014-12-02 10:32 PM (#463435 - in reply to #457120)
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I took a pic from the side, but it was too big to post. I'll try a few more times and then post them. I'd assume that they would be high perf manifolds, but I say that only because the engine does have the H stamp on it's identification boss.
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sconut1
Posted 2014-12-03 10:48 PM (#463533 - in reply to #457120)
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Goat & Narliecharlie........

Here are photos of my exhaust manifolds.
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sconut1
Posted 2014-12-03 10:49 PM (#463534 - in reply to #457120)
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Goat & Narliecharlie........

Here are photos of my exhaust manifolds.



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sconut1
Posted 2014-12-03 10:55 PM (#463535 - in reply to #457120)
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Ok.....back on track.....

My Golden Lion paint arrived this week. A super big thanks to Scott at Crosstown Chrysler Dodge here in Edmonton who snagged the last 5 cans of this stuff in Canada located west of Toronto for me!

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oldwood
Posted 2014-12-03 11:30 PM (#463539 - in reply to #463535)
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That Gold Paint should look good on those 2 FERDS you own. lol Just Kidding!!!
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Posted 2014-12-06 3:49 PM (#463831 - in reply to #463534)
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Can you post the casting number of the driver's side high performance exhaust manifold? Thanks. Dennis
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sconut1
Posted 2014-12-06 11:50 PM (#463859 - in reply to #457120)
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LOL.....at Oldwood.....well, I could use it on the Mustang, but I wouldn't have any left for the Fury!

Shyhawk....sure, I'll grab it tomorrow and post it for you
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sconut1
Posted 2014-12-06 11:54 PM (#463860 - in reply to #457120)
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Well. things weren't moving along with this quite fast enough to suit me, so a buddy of mine popped by this weekend and we took the front end of the Fury off. I left the left inner fender is as I'm still waiting for another buddy to get his a$$ over to my place and take a video of me doing a compression test. So it stays, being a convenient holder for the battery and all....

Here's a photo or two of what we did today.

Gotta love my black spray-bombed firewall. That will be changing to body color as soon as the motor and tranny are out. I think you should have to pass an IQ test before you're allowed to buy spray paint. Oh... was....was that my outside voice????.......

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Posted 2014-12-15 8:09 PM (#464774 - in reply to #457120)
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And I'm still waiting on a camshaft.......................................................................
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Posted 2014-12-15 8:31 PM (#464776 - in reply to #457120)
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Hi Dennis... I'm sorry took so long to get back to you on this. The Driver's side exhaust manifold has a part number of: 2843392-1. I'm not sure about that -1. I thought that Chrysler part numbers were typically 7 digits, so I'm not sure what that designates. There is a date stamped in the casting: 9-9-68. My engine was produced in late 1968, so the dates do jive, more or less.

For S&Gs, I tried grabbing the one of the passenger side as well. Its part number is either 2806800 or 2806900. The part number isn't cast "nicely" in the manifold, and I had a tough time reading the number. But, such that they are, here you go!

If you find out that these are something other that what they appear to be, please let me know. The serial number off the side of the engine block shows that this engine was originally installed in a 1969 Plymouth GTX. If these manifolds turn out to be for something else, or if you find the numbers to totally not jive or otherwise not make sense, please let me know. I'm far from a Chrysler muscle car guru.
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