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fenix
Posted 2014-04-11 11:49 AM (#435491)
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Location: atlanta		Well things are finally showing some progress, have the engine for the car, looks like the bell/flywheel/trans etc. will swap over and i'll be able to keep the 3 on the column. flywheels being resurfaced and the studs pressed out since the other crank has been tapped for 1/2 X 20 capscrews. should have the t bars in today and the master cylinder off, put the wheels on the front and finally get it back on the ground. Well that's the plan for today. I nixed the idea of the Poly thing and bought this other motor that seems to be working out fine as far as an install. I will prep and paint the engine bay before the install.



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Posted 2014-04-11 1:20 PM (#435508 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-04-11 10:34 PM (#435625 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		K, the flywheel registers on the hemi crank, the crank is tapped 1/2 20, the 318 is 7/16 20, and the 1/2 20 grade 8 bolts won't clear, new flywheel or machine it?, also the hemi is 8 bolt the 318 is 6 with two never drilled.
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Posted 2014-04-11 11:56 PM (#435633 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-04-12 9:30 AM (#435669 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-04-13 12:27 AM (#435780 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-04-13 11:30 AM (#435818 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Here's what I'm gonna use for exhaust, Sanderson ceramic coated block huggers.



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fenix
Posted 2014-04-21 5:44 PM (#437161 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Okay, a lesson in the natural progression of things, particularly engine swaps. This is the first installment of many, many, i'm sure will be posted, sadly, and many that ya'll out out there have already experienced, again, sadly.

#1.Ya got a 61 Poly 318, standard trans, 172 tooth flywheel, 6 holes on the crank flange, 7/16th X 20, it registars on the 325 hemi crank flange which has 8 1/2 X 20 tapped holes, and the 6 holes line up beautifully, now don't get the giddy's and think how far Your ahead of the game already and that on this swap, heck I might not even have to adjust the clutch, then run down the the machine shop to get it resurfaced, why?, because a week later when you go down to the machine shop to have the 7/16 holes drilled and faced for the 1/2 X 20 cap screws you'll soon find out why they have several defibrillators stationed around the office! Uh, $350 drill and face + 60 to resurface and all of a sudden ya have a $410 modified poly 318 flywheel and you can buy new hemi flywheel for less that that.

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Posted 2014-04-21 7:31 PM (#437177 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-04-21 8:57 PM (#437193 - in reply to #437177)
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Location: bishop, ca		The Sanderson on the driver's side will NOT fit; its front runner hits the motor mount and the dump exits on top of the torsion bar.

You CAN use the Driver's side as a basis for the reconfiguration of the exhaust runners.

There is another thread on the Exhaust Board where a guy re-configured the Sanderson to fit his Hemi 57 Dodge.

The main-flange fits fine, and the first inch or so of the runners can have newly-shaped pipes be welded to them.

Easiest thing is to play with the runners with the fender(s) being removed.








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fenix
Posted 2014-04-22 10:49 AM (#437259 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Well, that post, Neil, almost, i said almost had me put a round in the chamber! :-) I looked and looked through the threads and didn't see it, i did see a 56 Dodge I believe that was talking about Sandersons. I can alway just run Zoomies out the fenders.
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Posted 2014-04-22 7:46 PM (#437313 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		I did some more measurments, i have the motor on a roller stand that is exaclty 24" wide, same as the TB width in the car, i mocked the headers on the motor and measured, looks good to me, but as i peered over the engine bay, the drag link looks like a problem, if so it's probably a deal breaker. I have the the pass side TB in, the other side will have to have the thriugh bolt for the TB tension plasma cut, sawzall with and new blade barey scratched it, must be case hardened, and that would make sense.
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Posted 2014-05-21 8:28 PM (#441830 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		I'm gonna take the front sheet metal off, I ordered Hot Heads mounts, they don't interfere with the block huggers, I hope they clear the Tbars, or it's back to the Poly thingy.
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Posted 2014-05-21 8:43 PM (#441836 - in reply to #441830)
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Location: bishop, ca		Be sure to take lots of photos of your project, Roger.

It's good that you are going to take off the driver's (and passenger's) fender; the photos should be very self explanatory, regarding
the 'factory' fit/alignment, and what you will have done to create various clearances on the driver's side.

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Posted 2014-05-21 10:52 PM (#441847 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-05-28 7:59 PM (#442747 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		The Hot Heads motor mounts came in today, have to mock up the headers and mounts, I've been assured by HH that they don't interfere with the headers, may get away with the T bars, next booger will be the drag link, maybe a center or rear sump, or may have to have a pan built, this motors going in even if it's in the trunk! pics at 11;00
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Posted 2014-05-29 5:45 PM (#442886 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Mocked up the headers and mounts, all looks okay, next is to swing it in the car and see what the clearence problems are gonna be, oil pan for sure.

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Posted 2014-05-29 6:02 PM (#442887 - in reply to #442886)
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Posted 2014-05-29 6:24 PM (#442889 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-05-29 6:49 PM (#442896 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Not gonna use it anyway, Hot Heads makes an adapter that has a inlet and outlet port, because of the block huggers being so close to the pan, I plan on running an oil cooler and this dual filter setup. I wonder if I should run the cooler before or after the filters, i would think before.

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Posted 2014-06-01 8:29 PM (#443404 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Ok, got the DS fender off and can do some real measurements, looks like the V covers are no problem, the headres will be close, depends on how low they drop, the motor mounts look like they'll work, will have to make some plates to extend the sise to side.



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Posted 2014-06-01 8:36 PM (#443409 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Also have a question, when these yahoo's dragged it out of hiding, they must have not released the E brake or something, the front bumper was tweaked real bad, and this is what they did to the end of the frame, what would you do, weld a new end on, get a welder out here and try to heat and hammer it back right? if I have to weld a new end on, what years/models fit, I'm also looking for the driver's side section of the front bumper, the DS is good, have a new center section, so I need the DS section.



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Posted 2014-06-01 9:41 PM (#443416 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: Perth Australia		I fixed the end on my dodge, wasnt that hard actually, but isnt there supposed to be a flat bit that the bumper bracket bolts to?

Yours is much worse than mine was though, mine was just bent a bit, not ripped apart

I would expect that the metal is/will be quite stretched which will make it hard to get right

Its not really structural (apart from holding the bumper on) but with damage like that, I would do some very carefull measuring of the subframe to check that its all still in spec.

Might be better to get another frame, your not really that far away from it being able to come off, its just all the hanger on bits that are the pain (suspention, brake lines ect)

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Posted 2014-06-01 10:07 PM (#443420 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Yep, it's pretty mangled mick, I think it can be saved, it's not visible, bt the demension's have to be right so the bumper fits snug.
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Posted 2014-06-04 7:48 PM (#443793 - in reply to #435491)
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Roger, here's some pics of 361 custom headers' installation.

Their basic design should work on our cars.






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Posted 2014-06-04 8:07 PM (#443795 - in reply to #443793)
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Roger, here's some pics of 361 custom headers' installation.

Their basic design should work on our cars.




ha! bill la roys 12 second 59 fury coupe!
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Posted 2014-06-04 10:02 PM (#443807 - in reply to #443795)
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Posted 2014-06-05 1:40 PM (#443860 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Not sure yet, I did get the two Tbars in, I need to cut a piece of broom handle and knock the Tbars forward and install the clips and cups, installed the proper lower strut bar bolts to the lower a frame, went ahead and loosened the upper control arm bushing as suggested so when i put weight on the front end it doesn't damage them, next comes the front shocks and connect the tie rods, then I'll install the wheels and roll it forward so I can remove the other fender and inner fender panel. I'll install the bell and trans on the hemi, install the mounts and headers and swing it over to check the clearance.
I shot a couple of pics of the Tbars installed, this is weight off wheels and the adjusting bolt just coming through the barrel nut on top, haven't done this before, does it look right? anyone?



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Posted 2014-07-31 11:20 AM (#451110 - in reply to #443420)
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Location: atlanta		Well, yesterday was a good day! a few days ago a kid (anyone under 50 is a kid to me) came by looking at the car, we talked for a while and i mentioned needing some help getting Gypsy back together, he said great, he'd help and when did i want to start, how about Wednesday? great I said.
Yesterday about 9:30 he bangs on the door, ya ready to go to work?, uh yep, say's I, nursin' a small hangover, sure!, that kid worked my ass off! got the outter tie rod ends on, cut the old shocks off and installed the new ones, I couldn't find the lower shock bolts, so He say's I work at fastenal around the corner, I'll run get some grade 8 stuff, i give him some money, he comes back, his cost, $.65, two bolts, two washer's and two lock nuts, pretty sweet huh?, any way, he said, K, what's next, I told him about the 66 Fury rear in the yard with the springs and all attached, he grabs his cutoff and cuts the u bolts, we drag over to the carport and get it up there, next we cut out the u bolts on the 61 tapered axle rear, went and got new u bolts and walla, the rears in, I'm amaxed the thing sat on the smae eyebolts, no mods at all, straight bolt in swap, put the rims and tires on to see how she looks, sweet huh?, It was dark, about 9:30 and we drank a Lime-A-Rita and called it a day, went in took a shower, woofed a sammich and hit the hay.
Gotta rest today cause he's coming back tomorrow, I know it's gonna be a long day!, but great, gettin' R done.

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Posted 2014-07-31 4:30 PM (#451141 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-08-01 9:45 PM (#451332 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Got a little more done today, cleaned the bottom of the trunk floor and inside framerails, rust treated it and undercaoted it, then installed the new gas tanks/ sending unit, and plumbed and hooked up the fuel guage wire. We started taking the front accessories off the 66 Poly, disconnected the auto trans, only hitch was one exhaust manifold bolt broke of in the head, guess I'll have to take the head off and take it to a machine shop, right?

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Posted 2014-08-02 12:24 AM (#451349 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA		that broken bolt might not be so hard to get out . if it's got just a real tiny stub stickin out or in past the face . get a good 1/8 drill bit and start it a close to center a possible . drill a little bit , stop and check center . if
its of a touch off start drilling again by pointing the drill the way it needs to go . after a few seconds , stop , look again . do it as many times as needed to get close to center . once your satisfied with center , drill all the
way through the stud . then up the size if the bit drill . then up the size to a bit that is about the same size as the inside of the threads , drill it . then get the size tap you need , tap it >straight in< . you should have a
nice clean hole . even if you miss center by a couple of thousandths , it'll be ok ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but then to , a machine shop is less worrisome but i've done it that way for yrs . never had one strip back out ------------------later
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Posted 2014-08-02 3:43 PM (#451399 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Got her down on four wheels, first time she's been moved in over a year, washed her off to get some of the dust off, u bolts tightened, new wheel cylinders for the back installed, waiting on the shoes, got the heads and intake off the Poly, motor looks pretty good inside, little ridge, cylinder walls look good. still half a days work left.

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Posted 2014-08-03 11:45 AM (#451474 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Yesterday evening we got the other fender off, stripped the innner fenders, treated the surface rust, painted and undercoated, I'll stash these away till time to install.
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Posted 2014-08-03 12:59 PM (#451482 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA		oh those fancy jack stands in the background . i was thinkin on a set myself ------------------------------------------------later
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Posted 2014-08-03 1:39 PM (#451489 - in reply to #451482)
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Location: atlanta		Yep, on sale at tractor Supply, pretty sweet, and here's a HOT TIP for Ya, don't jack the car up and leave them sitting for month's, otherwise they just turn into extra heavy regular jack stands when the hydraulic cylinder shaft turns to 1/8" rust!

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Posted 2014-08-03 7:17 PM (#451509 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-08-06 12:28 AM (#451789 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Okay purist's, change of direction, guy came by he house today lookin' at the Plymouth, saw the hemi and wanted it, made a trade for a sweet 350 Chevy and auto trans for the Plymouth, it's even got chrome pulley's! dun good didn't I?
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Posted 2014-08-06 1:19 AM (#451790 - in reply to #451789)
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Posted 2014-08-06 3:51 AM (#451801 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-08-06 3:07 PM (#451849 - in reply to #435491)
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Posted 2014-08-06 7:07 PM (#451864 - in reply to #451849)
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-08-06 9:22 PM (#451872 - in reply to #435491)
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fenix
Posted 2014-08-06 10:07 PM (#451879 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Some more progress today, master cylinder is installed, proportioning valve installed, hard lines to the front and rear installed and hooked up, removed fender antenna, fenders dechromed, got the car turned around so the nose is on the carport. Agenda for Friday, install rear shocks, pull front seat, install the new shoes and hardware on the back end. Tomorrow, drop off front fenders to fill in antenna hole and a small rust hole under the driver's side outer headlight bucket, drop off the intake and valve covers for clear powder coating, remove crank from the 61 poly and drive the pistons out, contact Neilson about a new cam, have one header weld redone. I need the rubber line from the rear end tee to the brake line, nobody has a listing, any help?
By the way, the guy brought the Hemi back crying, he said he didn't own a spark plug socket long enough to get the spark plugs out, okay, no problem, we swapped back, damm I really wanted that chevy for my car! Brrrrraaahhaaaahaaaahaaaa....

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fenix
Posted 2014-08-06 10:09 PM (#451880 - in reply to #451872)
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ttotired
Posted 2014-08-06 10:32 PM (#451885 - in reply to #435491)
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A guy gave a hemi back because he didnt have the tool needed to remove a spark plug?

Guess I should scrap the dodge

Lost my screw driver

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fenix
Posted 2014-08-06 10:34 PM (#451886 - in reply to #435491)
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fenix
Posted 2014-08-08 11:30 PM (#452181 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		OK, Some wise person replied when i first bought this car " rebuild the original motor" well, I'm infamous for not listening, the original motor is now torn to the bare block and will go to the machine shop Monday for an .030 bore, ETC.
I now realize there's NO Hemi in my future (dammit), toyed with making it a sono clone, but I have most of what it takes to get the Poly motor together, so I guess a Poly @.030, headers, cam, and a P-600 with three 2's are in our future. The Hemi's for sale if anyone's interested.

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oldwood
Posted 2014-08-09 1:15 AM (#452194 - in reply to #452181)
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fenix
Posted 2014-08-09 12:31 PM (#452225 - in reply to #435491)
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Location: atlanta		Wasn't the cooking sherry that clouded my mind, it was the side shot of acetone that was doing it!

Anywho, her's the motor, crank looks real good, had the beat n' drive the pistons out, luckily I used my Carport Engineering Inc. piston removal kit, and the worst of the pistons to remove. I stopped by the machine shop to ask about a wait time for the block, he said about a week, i told him about the pistons being stuck and not haveing a ridge reamer, i didn't know this, but he said NEVER use a ridge reamer because it will egg shape the bores and the factiory bore is what they use to align the boring bar with, ever heard that?
There's also a shot of the MC, the PV and the lines, waiting on new clips to position the ends of the hardlines.



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