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59 explorer
Posted 2014-02-25 3:57 PM (#428947)
Subject: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special


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Starting a separate tread on the 1958 DeSoto Spring Special

From the DeSoto Retailer April 1958

"A fluted anodized aluminum sweep spear on the sides plus three new colors highlight the Spring package now available as optional equipment on all DeSotos.

The glamorous sweep spear is "fluted". with channels grooved out of the anodized aluminum, which is corrosion resistant.

The new Spring dress will be available on all 18 models with the exception of the convertibles and Adventurer.

The new colors are Heather Blue and Spring Rose available on the Fireflite and Firedome models, and Persimmon Red on Firesweeps....

With the new DeSoto exterior are eight stainless steel deck accent strips and sill moldings of stainless steel."


Pictures are appreciated

If possible, please PM a copy of the pictures to me

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-02-25 11:40 PM (#429006 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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So, according to Hoyle, the Spring dress was NOT available on convertibles. Interesting, since
two Sweep ragtops exist today. One is known to be a latter day creation, the second, an over-optioned
red "auction queen" of unconfirmed origin.

I never knew this exclusion before ! I never cared for the spring extra gee-gaw myself (on my own
cars), but it can look real nice on certain paint schemes. As I have seen them, DeSoto offered the package
as separate items and one is more likely to see the special paint, or an incomplete "set" than they are
to see a fully decked Spring Special car with the whole enchilada. Dodge's Spring Special was like this
too.

The quote about the sweep inserts being "grooved out" is misleading. It is a stamped, or rolled pattern
of fine horizontal ribs, much like the pattern of old school metal roofing.

The deck lid accent bars are vertical (Chrysler used horizontals in the same location to each side of the
shadow box), and the reference to stainless sill mouldings are what we commonly call "rocker mouldings"
these days. The latter became a common item to many 59's.
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58wedge
Posted 2014-02-26 2:04 AM (#429012 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special


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Was a spring special pinkish colour-firesweep conv projekt (orginal-car)for sale years ago nort-west somewere dont remember , it was sold to a restorer in south CA, (think i saved some oictures of it somewere,i see if i can find)just for info w-out stepping on any toes..
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Posted 2014-02-26 2:19 AM (#429013 - in reply to #429012)
Subject: Re: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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Good thread, but this should be moved over to the Members Rides message board; not posted here, in this "Everything-Else Board".
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firedome
Posted 2014-02-26 8:53 AM (#429034 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: Re: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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I think the OP has a '59, not a '58, so it's just an info thread on '58 SSs.

BTW did '58 DeS SSs have the wide stainless strip above the rain gutters as did the SS 2 and 4 dr hrdtp Chryslers, like my own? That trim is not mentioned in the dealer puff piece, above.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-02-26 9:38 AM (#429048 - in reply to #429034)
Subject: Re: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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Negative on the roof trim. That was a standard, across-the-board option on all hardtops
in both 57 and 58 (standard on Fireflite, which meant Adventurer got it too).

As for moving the thread to the Member's Rides section, why ? Thus farly, no poster owns
a Spring Special and the thread is intended to highlight/discuss this unusual model. Seems
to me like it is exactly where it should be for future reference. Yoo 'sprain now, Roocy !

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Posted 2014-02-27 12:43 AM (#429146 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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The Binder sale included a 58 Spring special.



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Posted 2014-02-27 10:31 AM (#429173 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: Re: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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Almost went to Spencer for that auction, we have family there and in Ames. Love that model, year,, aluminum side trim, and orange is my favorite color! It had a stuck engine though, and from these pics, apparently some rust as well, but iirc the interior was nice... someone from MN bought it for around $5k and immediately flipped it to Sweden.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-02-27 11:54 AM (#429180 - in reply to #429173)
Subject: Re: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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If I am understanding the tea leaves, the car above has all three SS trim items ... rocker mouldings,
rear deck accent bars, and sweep inserts. The paint color is NON-SS autumn rust. As all elements were
separately optional, it is unusual to see all the parts on one car. Most buyers opted for this or that, but
not the whole package.

So, for those tracking, these pix are a good example of the trim one would look for to PID a Spring
Special 58 DeSoto.
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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-02-27 5:37 PM (#429213 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special


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Note it has the optional Gravel guards which I think look good
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-02-27 10:53 PM (#429244 - in reply to #429213)
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Most 57 and later DeSotos seem to have the gravel guards and based on the regular requests
by members here looking for them, they are popular with just about everyone. I think they kinda
break up the smooth flow of the wheel opening lines and will likely restore my car without them
to better show off that wheel opening.
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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-02-27 11:25 PM (#429246 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special


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My 2 x Fireflite 4 doors never had them and they were fully optioned . But I agree for coupes , as I really only like them only on 4 doors not coupe/ragtops .
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Posted 2014-02-28 12:28 AM (#429251 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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Chris bought the car brand new and it was one of his primary drivers. It had a hitch and they used it with a trailer to go pick up a lot of the earlier cars in the collection.



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58 DESOTOS RULE
Posted 2014-03-03 2:44 PM (#429707 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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I have a 1958 De Soto Firesweep 2-door Spring Special which I have owned since 1981. The car when I bought it was painted Haze Blue metallic which was listed on the Diezler color chip chart as a Spring Special color for Firesweeps. I think it was probably a repaint however. It has the chromed vertical bars on the trunk deck as well as the anodized spear insert and chrome rocker mouldings. It does not, however, have the gravel guards and shows no sign that it ever had any.

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Posted 2014-12-25 10:37 PM (#465847 - in reply to #429707)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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I have a Firedome. It has the 736 interior, but it has been replaced. I need to know what that original interior looks like. Please post some pictures. I need to see the seat design and the door panels.
This is what I have left over from years of changes.



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Posted 2014-12-25 10:39 PM (#465848 - in reply to #465847)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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Here are some pics that I found on the web.

Pick yours out and tell us about it. Mine is the first one. It looks fairly good in this picture, but the first six inches from the bottom is all Bondo.

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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-12-26 9:24 AM (#465862 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special


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I have a 58 Firedome coupe with survivor Red/Grey trim (whats left of it it) if you email me I can send you pics , as uploading them here drives me nuts .
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Posted 2014-12-26 9:15 PM (#465909 - in reply to #465862)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special


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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-12-26 10:23 PM (#465914 - in reply to #465909)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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Am I reading this right ....

This package not available on Adventurer convertible or "2 door" (coupe) ???

I think this is kinda of obvious.

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This package IS available on other model convertibles, including Fireflite ???

The reason I ask is that previously it has been mentioned that NO convertibles were
available with the package, but it appears that a less-than-clearly-worded bit up top
about the Adventurers could be read as ALL convertibles.

Since two (of questionable origins) convertibles are out there with the full kit, and it
makes no sense to me that the "blingy" convertibles would be restricted from wearing
the dress up kit.

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Posted 2014-12-27 12:13 AM (#465922 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: Re: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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It is poorly worded...I would think that the convertibles wouldn't have been restricted from having the spring trim; really none of the extra trim has anything to do with body style, sans for the ribs on the station wagon tailgate.
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Posted 2014-12-27 12:25 AM (#465924 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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This car is mine and I would be interested in knowing how you obtained this image as it's a very old photo and I don't remember ever posting this picture on line.In fact, I'm not sure I even know where the original of this picture is located now.This photo was taken not long after I bought the car from a collector in Roswell, NM in April 1981. It is parked in the driveway of my parents house in Appleton, WI. My parents passed away at least ten years ago and the house that they lived in in that city was torn down years ago when my father sold the property to move to Ohio.(1998)

The collector I bought the car from had had the Torqueflite rebuilt before he sold it to me, but I had to have the engine rebuilt after I had had it in service for a few seasons. The engine was not original to the car but had come from a 1960 Plymouth and it is a standard 383 V-8 with a two-barrel Carter BBD carburetor.

The interior is not correct but was a cheap tuck and roll abonimation that a previous owner had had installed. It is black so you may be sure that it is very hot in the car in the summer because of it.

The front end was restored professionally by a fellow who used to have a restoration shop in Brown Deer, WI. I believe he has closed his shop now though. Upper and lower ball joints and tie rod ends were obtained from Kantner Products as were strut rod bushings.The rear springs need to be arched though as they cause the car to sit lower than I would like. 

The car has power brakes, power steering, and power windows. It also has a power seat and electric clock (which I had converted to a quartz movement in 1983.

I added an alternator and a Direct Connection electronic ignition distributor in the 1990s to make the car a daily driver but I haven't used it lately.

I had the car rustproofed with the Ziebart brand of undercoating in 1981 when I first got it and it has very solid metal. There is the usual weak areas in the rear quarters and I don't doubt that there is some bondo in there but the flanks seem to be pretty straight.

I used to be in the military, hence the bumper sticker about joining the Army that you see in the old picture. 

 

Thanks for the chance to expound upon my De Soto. 



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-12-27 2:29 AM (#465926 - in reply to #465924)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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Do you know if your car was blue under the S/S sweep inserts ?
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58 DESOTOS RULE
Posted 2014-12-27 3:10 AM (#465927 - in reply to #465926)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2014-12-27 1:29 AM Stephen ~ Do you know if your car was blue under the S/S sweep inserts ?

It was blue underneath the Spring Special sweep inserts, but I am reasonably confident that the car was repainted before I owned it. I suspect the original color was light green as that is the color in the footwell underneath the dashnoard where the carpet has come away.I don't know who may have repainted it but it could have been the man I bought the car from as he was a car collector and was pretty handy. I admired a 1950 Dodge roadster he was working on in his garage. I don't have ready access to the build plate right now as the car is in storage in Wisconsin but I can check it in the spring the next time I go there. 

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-12-27 2:31 PM (#465968 - in reply to #465927)
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Well, the actual question would be then, on a two-tone car (when outfitted with the S/S
sweep inserts) ... was the color sweep actually painted the accent color ? Or was the body
only shot in main color and then the inserts installed to provide the "color" ???

Repaints only confuse the issue. We are looking to determine how the factory did it and
coded the data tag.

With power seat AND windows, that Firesweep is one LOADED car !!! Heck, most Fireflites
didn't get those two fancy pants options ! I am impressed !
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-27 4:02 PM (#465976 - in reply to #465968)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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So lets compare tags. Here is mine. AKK is Black top, Gray body, Gray sweep.
ST is for Style. So the 9 under the ST could be for Spring Special.
I would also like to know what the 4 is under the B . ?

My car has been repainted so many times, we can not use that for information.
It has at least 3 shades of Gray on it and at least 2 shades of white.



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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-12-27 5:25 PM (#465981 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special


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Stephen that pic of your car is out there on the net as I have that image also . And if you see the leading edge of your car just above your rear bumper you can see what looks to be willow green , or at least a light green colour ?
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Posted 2014-12-28 2:27 AM (#466016 - in reply to #465981)
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The Adventurer - 2014-12-27 4:25 PM Stephen that pic of your car is out there on the net as I have that image also . And if you see the leading edge of your car just above your rear bumper you can see what looks to be willow green , or at least a light green colour ?

Well, I probably put that picture up a long time ago and forgot I'd done so. I'm only puzzled, not annoyed to see it again.

I noted the lip just above the rear bumper in the photo too. I had started to do some sanding to get some fresh paint on the car and I noticed that underneath the Haze Blue metallic the original color seemed to be willow green. I don't have a picture of the build plate from inside the engine compartment but I would be interested in seeing if the paint code on the plate is for Willow Green. I will have to remember to take a camera and shoot some pictures the next time I'm up in Wisconsin. That probably will not be until May or June though. 

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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-12-28 4:26 AM (#466019 - in reply to #428947)
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Cool Stephen , love to see more pics when you get to the car again next year .
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Posted 2015-01-04 6:27 PM (#466682 - in reply to #428947)
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When I was at Hershey this past October admiring Brad's 58 Firedome Convertible, I overheard a fellow talking to him. This guy was telling him about a 58 Firedome Convertible he found and purchased in Ohio, said it had all the Spring Special trim on it, most of which fell off while in storage in the barn. He described the car was wasted, rotted into the ground and would need a donor, he sold it and later the car ended up in Brazil.

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2015-04-20 8:01 PM (#476145 - in reply to #466682)
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More pictures from the web.

Does anyone know what happened to this first one?

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Posted 2015-04-22 2:06 AM (#476307 - in reply to #428947)
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The Willow Green car in the first 2 photos was for sale in Bend Oregon on Craigs list last year . I tried and tried to buy it and finally got onto the people , only to find they were very unhelpful and possible untrustworthy . They wanted $5000 for it as is and no motor , and broken rear window . Not sure who ended up buying it though . I wondered myself .
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Posted 2015-04-22 2:42 AM (#476309 - in reply to #428947)
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Posted 2015-04-22 11:15 AM (#476345 - in reply to #476309)
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Wow. Nice thread. Really nice cars.

Is this a car show at a gas station?

I like the pink car.



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2015-04-22 1:07 PM (#476351 - in reply to #476345)
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The Sweep which I got the decklid bars from that I sent to you was similar to
this pink car, except the color was the Spring Special Lilac Metallic. In spite of
it being a hammered Sweep sedan, abandoned for years in an orchard, it was
still quite stunning in that color. Wish I had taken photos of it.
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Posted 2015-04-24 5:08 PM (#476532 - in reply to #428947)
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it's a typical cruising in sweden in summertime Kurt. i took the pic in a town called Trollhättan (famous for automobil manufacturing, saab) it's my brother who imported the Desoto in the pic to sweden.
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Posted 2015-04-24 8:38 PM (#476558 - in reply to #476532)
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Posted 2015-06-01 10:44 PM (#480120 - in reply to #476558)
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Okay, for all you guys that actually have a 58 Desoto Spring Special, I have one question.
Does your ID tag have one or both of the circled numbers?



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2015-06-02 1:24 AM (#480132 - in reply to #480120)
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I checked a couple of my 58 tags and neither have those "slots" marked
with a number. Haze Blue Metallic was "supposedly" a "spring" color, but
my convertible exhibits no Spring Special trim. It was built 06 January. Do
we know when the SS trim items became available ???
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Posted 2015-06-02 1:51 AM (#480136 - in reply to #480132)
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Codes and such!

Been there, done that, more than 30 years ago!

When did SS trim become available?? When did the factory issue "new" broadcast sheets/ body plates to reflect this new trim??? Good luck guys. I sure as hell can't find any answers.

We have all seen body plates embossed that APPEAR to be applicable to SS items. But, without broadcast sheet/punch card examples for KNOWN cars, it is nothing but guess work.

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Posted 2015-06-02 10:35 AM (#480171 - in reply to #480136)
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Such a "Debbie Downer" you are !

Perhaps a better alternative is to Garlick a story up about it .... hand built
for the King of Sweden and gifted to Elvis upon his visit to Stockholm in 1958.
It was later discovered on the moon and returned to earth with the Apollo
missions before being driven cross-country on route 66 by Marilyn Monroe and
Cher in a prototype test run for the Thelma and Louise movie !
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Posted 2015-06-02 11:51 AM (#480181 - in reply to #428947)
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Greg knows from whence he speaks.

Trust, but verify.


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Posted 2015-06-04 6:05 PM (#480420 - in reply to #480181)
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d500neil - 2015-06-02 11:51 AM

Greg knows from whence he speaks.

Trust, but verify.


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Trusting, Yes. Now trying to verify.
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Posted 2015-06-04 7:41 PM (#480438 - in reply to #428947)
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Speaking of odd colors, what is this factory(?) color on this 1957 Desoto?

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Chrycoman
Posted 2015-06-04 9:59 PM (#480454 - in reply to #480438)
Subject: Re: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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It's not factory. That car came from the factory done in white.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2015-06-05 12:29 AM (#480464 - in reply to #480132)
Subject: Re: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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Doctor DeSoto - 2015-06-02 1:24 AM

I checked a couple of my 58 tags and neither have those "slots" marked
with a number. Haze Blue Metallic was "supposedly" a "spring" color, but
my convertible exhibits no Spring Special trim. It was built 06 January. Do
we know when the SS trim items became available ???


Sorry Doc, but Haze Blue was not a spring color. Heather Blue was the spring color.
The first mention of the Spring Specials was in the April edition of the Desoto
publication of People and Places. So when did they print it? My guess would be the
beginning of March. So they probably built the first ones at that time. That way
they could be at the dealers, possibly the first day of spring. Also, the first ad
of the Spring Special, with actress Jeanne Crain, was on April 19th 1958.

Here is the back of the April 1958 edition of People and Places. It was sent
to a dealer in NY .





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The Adventurer
Posted 2015-06-05 3:01 AM (#480477 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special


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Yes it was Heather Blue Kurt , I am the doc knows this but due to brain fade we all get has momentarily forgotten and confused the 2 colours .

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2015-06-06 12:07 AM (#480542 - in reply to #480477)
Subject: RE: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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Thanks for the correction. Not sure where I got that intel, but it was a long time
ago and now I discover I've been wrong all these years !
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d500neil
Posted 2015-06-06 3:36 PM (#480581 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: Re: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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Can someone, now, kindly post-up the color charts for both the Spring Special motif, and, for the 'regular' DeSoto
colors?



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mstrug
Posted 2015-06-06 6:10 PM (#480585 - in reply to #428947)
Subject: Re: 1958 DeSoto Spring Special



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http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?year=1958&make=DeS...


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59 explorer
Posted 2015-06-06 9:22 PM (#480599 - in reply to #428947)
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just remember that the 1958 Desoto Heather Blue is not the same as 1959 Desoto Blue....
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