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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-01 7:39 PM (#419694 - in reply to #419651)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		Doc, it sure sounds like a comprehensive project. How far back do you want to "tear into". I know I've seen your work on here but my search didn't find. I don't remember at what stage of disassembly your car is now.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-01-01 7:50 PM (#419697 - in reply to #398789)
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Calling my bluff, eh?

The first photo is what prompted my comment; the other T/Bar pics are spread out among
various non-Greg files, that I'll go research, tomorrow.

But, in the meanwhile, enjoy these differential/axle daubs!



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-01 9:53 PM (#419717 - in reply to #419697)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		Oh, no Neil. I know better than to call your bluff---- at least when it comes to this stuff!!!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-01-01 10:10 PM (#419724 - in reply to #419717)
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-01 10:29 PM (#419727 - in reply to #419724)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-01-02 12:08 AM (#419738 - in reply to #419727)
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a rash about his abrasive tact (or lack thereof).

The man knows his sh!t and in our small niche corner of the world, one is fool to not respect
that.
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Posted 2014-01-02 1:26 AM (#419745 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: Perth Australia		Calling Neils bluff (99.99% of the time) will mean eating humble pie

I like the pipe idea Greg, but as both my cars are unit body cars, I dont need to steal that idea yet, but who knows

Love the work and happy to see (in your other thread) things are returning to normal

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-02 9:06 AM (#419770 - in reply to #419738)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		All I meant was we were waiting for the good stuff. Neil and I have been working together since the days of the "Early Hemi Association". I hate to admit how long ago that was!! Expensive phone calls and snail mail!

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-02 9:44 AM (#419774 - in reply to #419770)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		How many others remember the EHA? I forget the chap who started it --- a very knowledgeable man. He published a membership list including contact phone numbers and the pet interests of the members. As I recall, Neil was compiling info primarily on Dodge hemis for a book he wanted to publish. We touched base, realized that we had a common interest in 57 and 58 Dodges and the rest is history.

Neil knew cars and owners all over the continent and had extensive documentation on them. He had a friend in WI who had an incredible collection of 58 Dodge literature and I was restoring and parting out cars for any and all parts. We complimented one another and got a lot of work done!

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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-02 12:59 PM (#419802 - in reply to #398789)
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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-02 1:02 PM (#419803 - in reply to #398789)
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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-02 1:03 PM (#419804 - in reply to #398789)
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Posted 2014-01-02 1:06 PM (#419805 - in reply to #398789)
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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-02 1:09 PM (#419806 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: Sept. 1958		Thanks Greg!



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-02 1:25 PM (#419810 - in reply to #419806)
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d500neil
Posted 2014-01-02 7:02 PM (#419869 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: bishop, ca		Spent a way-lot of time researching and re-organizing my photos, today.

Anyway, here's my photos of the 952/953 T/bars, which have white daubs on them, as seen.

The 952 has one daub and the 953 has two daubs--to ensure their proper installation
orientation on the chassis.

The 952/953 bars are optional/HD on the Custom Royals (which have sway bars on them),
but standard items on the Coronets, Royals and Furies (which are sway bar-less).

So, these bars, and their daubs, are common, like the 950/951 bars are (above/below), for the
other 57-58 Plymouths and the CRL's.

The 950 bar has one red daub; the 951 probably has two daubs, similarly to the 952/953 and
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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-02 9:22 PM (#419909 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: Sept. 1958		"The 'dusty rose' note is just a guess on my part. The only one I've seen!"

From a US built car.

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Posted 2014-01-02 10:52 PM (#419922 - in reply to #398789)
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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-02 11:01 PM (#419923 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: Sept. 1958		"Specific for 57/58 Dodge and Ply. I think. I would have loved to have these before I started this work!"



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-03 1:42 AM (#419949 - in reply to #419909)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		Aside from many other distractions, if anyone wants to zoom in on the many facets of this thread please let me know.

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d500neil
Posted 2014-01-03 3:02 AM (#419957 - in reply to #419949)
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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-03 3:43 AM (#419961 - in reply to #419923)
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Posted 2014-01-03 10:34 AM (#419983 - in reply to #398789)
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d500neil
Posted 2014-01-03 3:19 PM (#420027 - in reply to #398789)
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OK; so nobody wanted to guess....

Last two photos are mine.



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Posted 2014-01-03 4:23 PM (#420037 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom.		when i did the 58 Canadian Dodge there was a Blue paint daub on the tailhousing of the trans, wonder if this is in relation to the diff markings for speedo drive pinion,

also this had the Green coloured torsion bars but i ended up painting them Black

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-03 10:43 PM (#420104 - in reply to #419983)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		Dave Schwandt, here, made a number of them years ago. Wonderful recreations!
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-03 10:52 PM (#420105 - in reply to #420037)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		Paul, the olive green bars that I recall seeing were in better general condition than anything else on the cars so I concluded that they were replacements. They were complete with part #s and paint daubs.
Greg
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Posted 2014-01-12 11:47 AM (#421655 - in reply to #420105)
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-12 12:17 PM (#421665 - in reply to #421655)
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-15 1:32 PM (#422205 - in reply to #421665)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		I'm about to email some pics to Matt and ask him to post them for me. This is a fixture I designed to access a unibody for rust repair work.
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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-15 2:26 PM (#422207 - in reply to #422205)
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d500neil
Posted 2014-01-15 4:08 PM (#422220 - in reply to #422207)
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Location: bishop, ca		Chris, what is the gear ratio that is stamped onto your Sure Grip, in the 'flat' area, as seen , above in photos #4667 and
#4668?

Your carrier housing's P/N does not appear in the 55-58 Master Parts Book.






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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-15 5:45 PM (#422236 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: Sept. 1958		More 60 Photos from Greg.

"This is the only 60 I have worked on so these examples are from only one car. Others may be different."

Thanks Greg!!!! I always look forward to seeing your restoration photos.

Hope this helps some 60 owners/restorers out there.



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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-15 8:29 PM (#422269 - in reply to #422236)
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Location: Sept. 1958		"Back to the Regal body. I'll have to back track a bit:

#1. With the body resting on a frame and both doors undisturbed, jack, push, pull until all measurements you can take are the same both sides and the doors fit the best you can do.
You will be surprised at what you can accomplish!!
Then weld braces inside the body to hold this shape still allowing doors to open and close"



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Posted 2014-01-15 8:41 PM (#422272 - in reply to #398789)
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Tis is the carrier #1634985! Aka 742. This is on my original 60 windsor.
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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-15 8:43 PM (#422273 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: Sept. 1958		"#2. No photos for this.

Elevate body and trial fit 30" posts at all existing body mount positions between the body and the frame workbench. Very time consuming because there may only be 4 or so solid mounts and several fragile/rusty ones and the rest gone completely. Besides, one has to keep the posts vertical. Obviously, the more solid mounts there are the easier. This body was a REAL challenge!

#3. Weld braces wherever necessary to the body and workbench frame to secure everything with all 30" posts removed. Place all braces out of the way of future work. Weld only ONE side or edge of a brace so you can grind these welds a little and twist off the brace later without tearing whatever it was welded to."



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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-15 9:20 PM (#422280 - in reply to #422273)
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Location: Sept. 1958		"I had lots of salvaged floor and body mount panels separated and cleaned up before I started this car."



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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-15 9:27 PM (#422282 - in reply to #422280)
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Location: Sept. 1958		"#5. Earlier in this thread are front floor photos.

To remove the braces, torch cut the brace about a foot away from the body. The molten metal should simply fall away leaving a gap. If the brace jumps pulling apart or the gap closes you know there is tension somewhere. Take time to figure it out. I've been very lucky in this respect!!"



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Posted 2014-01-15 9:35 PM (#422284 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: Sept. 1958		"#6. Make cardboard templates for all patches- cut out of new or salvaged material and weld in place and metal finish.

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-15 9:41 PM (#422287 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		All these intermittent welds get finished bit by bit. It is time consuming!
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-16 1:39 PM (#422370 - in reply to #422287)
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Location: Ontario, Canada		I forgot to mention a key point. Assuming the factory made the doors fit the body pretty well in the first place, don't loosen any hinge bolts. Make the now sagged body fit the doors and hold this shape with the braces. Then drill through one end of each hinge with a 1/8" bit and into either the door or body. Remove only these bolts to remove the door. You can rehang the door in exactly the same place each time by using a 1/8" drift.

I just used these doors as a reference. Better ones will be installed later.
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christine-lover
Posted 2014-01-17 10:25 PM (#422677 - in reply to #398789)
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Location: Sept. 1958		"I had some large patch panels I had saved for this car. I normally don't like them because they fit over the original contours and make wheel well lips etc too large so I had to devise a method to be able to fit, work and remove these quarters.
I fit them over the existing quarters, trimmed them to fit and to where I wanted the cut to be on the body. Drilled the edges with 3/16" holes for aluminum pop rivets to hold it all in place.
This way I could easily drill out the rivets to remove the panel/s to access under them and later fix the lip contours. I had them off and on many times."



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-01-17 11:17 PM (#422685 - in reply to #398789)
Subject: Re: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread


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Location: Ontario, Canada		Thanks Matt,
I really appreciate it for posting these photos for me.
Greg
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Posted 2014-05-17 12:20 AM (#441163 - in reply to #422685)
Subject: Re: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread


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Location: Ontario, Canada		I haven't looked at this thread in months but judging by the number of downloads of these pics, do you guys want me to continue with the pic story?
Greg
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-05-17 12:37 AM (#441171 - in reply to #441163)
Subject: Re: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread



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Location: Parts Unknown		That's like me asking you if you want to go on breathing ! Let's get those pix posted !
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Posted 2014-05-17 12:41 AM (#441175 - in reply to #441171)
Subject: Re: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread


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Location: Ontario, Canada		OK Doc, will do, but there is a process involved here. I'll work on it!
Greg
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Posted 2014-05-17 12:46 AM (#441177 - in reply to #441163)
Subject: Re: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

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VAN HELSING
Posted 2014-05-17 10:32 AM (#441214 - in reply to #441177)
Subject: Re: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread



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Keep going with the pics Greg, I'm learning a lot from ' em, I've got no expertise when it comes to body work so I'm gaining a lot from your how-to pics

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Posted 2014-05-20 12:02 AM (#441551 - in reply to #441214)
Subject: Re: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread


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Location: Ontario, Canada		Thanks, Terry. I had a professional body man on staff at the time. I had the steel fabrication and welding experience but the body and paint and prep work expertise and tricks came from him. We only worked on cars between jobs but as I look back on it we had a lot of fun for a lot of years. Most of these pics were taken 15-25 years ago with point and shoot film cameras. I'm re photographing them with this iPad and will ask Matt to post 'em for me as I get them done.
Greg
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Posted 2014-06-02 1:45 AM (#443449 - in reply to #441551)
Subject: Re: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread


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Location: Ontario, Canada		No resto pics yet but I do have a report. My Regal needed a constant control ps steering gear rebuild. My 72 year old body isn't up to the task but I got some help from a young mechanic who I hired to help me. We got the job done in 2 hours today. We couldn't pull the pitman arm off so he will take it to his regular employment site and pull it. We hope!

Then, I will send to Lares for a rebuild.

Years ago I scoured junk yards for ps gears. I rented a SNAP-ON puller to pull a bunch of pitman arms. Some I couldn't pull! I ruined the puller!! Hey, time wIll tell.
Greg.
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