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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-09-20 5:02 PM (#398789)
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I received the following message and pictures from Greg - post your own "art gallery" photos here if you like!

 

I promise I won't make a habit of doing this but I came across 3 photos in my desk and photographed them with the iPad . They don't look too bad. I restored these two Dodges and later sold them to a private collector who then sent me these photos of the cars in private museum in Quebec (he still owns them I think).

 

When I saw them it just looked like the perfect entrance for a Forward Look Art Gallery. What do you think?

 

Anyway they are both originally equipped cars except for the continental kit. I found a kit on a car in Virginia and Neil later sent me a photo of Lawrence Welk sitting in a 57CR vert with this exact kit on it! I owned a machine shop at the time so I made up the fabricated parts for about 8or9 kits.

 





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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-20 5:56 PM (#398792 - in reply to #398789)
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Nice!! Here's the ad a while back for the 58:

http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19019
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2013-09-20 8:37 PM (#398830 - in reply to #398792)
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Ah ha, very interesting! I had no idea that James had sold (or was trying to sell) the car. I certainly sold it too cheap!!

BTW the 354 did come standard with a 2 bbl carb and CDN custom royals did have US royal interiors. There are several more little differences. It certainly was a rust free car.

Greg
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-09-20 11:32 PM (#398856 - in reply to #398830)
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ok, that last thread does not cast me in a very good light! My apologies for the diatribe!
In retrospect, I should have "toned it down" a bit!

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d500neil
Posted 2013-09-21 12:20 AM (#398859 - in reply to #398856)
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Greg's coral/white Coronet was the BEST, and most accurately, restored 57-58 Dodge that I've ever seen.



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Chrycoman
Posted 2013-09-21 12:31 AM (#398860 - in reply to #398830)
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Canadian 1958 Dodge Custom Royal, with FOB prices and production -

4dr Sedan - $3,562.00 - 2,235
2dr Lancer hardtop - $3,620.00 - 1,262
4dr Lancer hardtop - $3,713.00 - 406
Total - 3,903

Imported models, with prices -
2dr Lancer convertible - $4,484.00
2 seat Custom Sierra Wagon - $4,506.00
3 seat Custom Sierra Wagon - $4,652.00

X - Dover White in the US was Ermine (1958 Chrysler), Pearl White (1958 DeSoto), Eggshell (1958 Dodge), Iceburg (1958 Plymouth)

S - Bermuda Coral in the US was Tahitian Coral (1958 Chrysler)

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2013-09-21 3:29 PM (#398937 - in reply to #398789)
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Thanks,Mike and Neil for the comments and thanks Bill for the production number of 1262. That sounds like the number I was trying to recall!
It was a true show car but wherever I stored it things FELL on it! It drove beautifully but every time I did it would get hit with stones from oncoming cars. I just figured that I wasn't destined to be a collector!!

James is a great guy and had many other collector cars (nobody would believe the list if I told you) . In fact the interior vinyl was original. So was the dash pad. I replaced the seat fabric and the carpet-- that's all!! When he bought the car he asked me to do him a favour. Never try to do another interior!!

He did the seats for my 300C. It was like sitting in a Rolls. He made the seats in my regal from the brittle old originals with same result.

I bought the seat covers for the vert from Goers. James took 'em apart and resewed them.

I was sorry to read that story. I don't have a contact for him. I just hope he is OK.

Greg
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-24 6:25 AM (#399364 - in reply to #398789)
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Here's some photos and information on his 58 Dodge, from Gary.

As bought.



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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-24 6:30 AM (#399365 - in reply to #398789)
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"Body is elevated up off my "jig frame" by 30" posts to do any repair panels, body work, metal finishing,primer and paint underneath as required.I did all my cars this way."



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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-24 6:31 AM (#399367 - in reply to #398789)
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"Instrument panel finished complete with all rebuilt switches, new wiring harness etc."



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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-24 6:33 AM (#399368 - in reply to #398789)
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"With the under side of the floors painted on the previous jig we lower it down on this "paint frame" for finish paint."



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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-24 6:33 AM (#399369 - in reply to #398789)
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Frame assembly



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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-24 6:34 AM (#399370 - in reply to #398789)
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"I made brackets to hold the instrument panel approx in position on the frame. Battery in and everything installed I jack up rear wheels and put 10 hours or so on the engine. Check operation of everything, checking for leaks etc. Earlier, I put a brake bleeder pig at 20 psi on the junction block and completely bled all the lines and wheel cylinders. Let it sit for a couple days to be sure there are no leaks."



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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-24 6:37 AM (#399371 - in reply to #398789)
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"Cdn. Car -- 354 poly engine.

I routinely pick up the bodies with straps under the two door striker plates and cherry picker with strap under the trunk latch bracket.

Carefully drop body with all body mounts loosely assembled and shim as required until ALL body mounts are making equal contact with the frame. It can take a lot of time but in the end you will have what I like to call a Happy driving car."



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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-24 6:37 AM (#399372 - in reply to #398789)
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Finished car.



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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-24 6:38 AM (#399373 - in reply to #398789)
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Thank you Greg for sharing these photos with us!
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-24 8:31 PM (#399543 - in reply to #398789)
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Here's a couple more photos of the car.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-09-25 3:25 PM (#399688 - in reply to #399543)
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Magnificent!
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d500neil
Posted 2013-10-06 3:27 AM (#401690 - in reply to #398789)
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Yeah, that is the most accurately restored 57+ FWDLK Dodge, in the Universe.

I've got some pics from Greg that I've been meaning to post up, too, of this car and his 2-tone green car's restoration.







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firedome
Posted 2013-10-06 11:22 AM (#401715 - in reply to #398789)
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That is amazing! One would hate to drive a car that perfect on the road though, I can see why he sold it. That blue '57 'vert in pic 1 is equally incredible.

Scotti seems to get only really top-notch cars but his prices are equally top-notch to boot... he always seems to sell them eventually though... lots of $$$ in Quebec.
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-12-28 6:05 AM (#418847 - in reply to #398789)
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Another view of the 57 convertible. Greg, your restorations are truly perfect. And that is an understatement.



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2013-12-28 4:03 PM (#418943 - in reply to #418847)
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Thanks for posting, Matt, and thanks for your kind comments. I've got more if anyone wants to see them!
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-12-28 4:05 PM (#418944 - in reply to #418943)
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Please email to me and I'll post 'em!
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-12-28 6:00 PM (#418972 - in reply to #398789)
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Here's some of the 57.



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christine-lover
Posted 2013-12-30 5:48 AM (#419230 - in reply to #398789)
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Greg's 58 - "While I drove these cars when they were new, this is the first FWDLK that I bought. Probably late 70s or early 80s."

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Posted 2013-12-30 6:14 AM (#419231 - in reply to #398789)
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Looking at the 58 above I have just realised that the 1958 Dodge is easily an equal to the 58 Plymouth for one of the hottest looking FL cars.

What are the little trim pieces rear of the fins called? They really change the look of the car.

beaut work on the cars Greg, what was your inspiration and what do you drive now?

Steve.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2013-12-30 12:54 PM (#419283 - in reply to #419231)
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Thanks, Steve,
I think they just called it a fin ornament. Someone here will know for sure.

I always appreciated Chrysler engineering and I'm a big fan of torsion bar suspension so I sort of zoomed in on these Dodges! The only one I have now is the Regal Lancer.
Greg
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GregCon
Posted 2013-12-30 1:14 PM (#419287 - in reply to #398789)
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You can't argue with the results, but I don't see the point in floating the body over the frame or pre-installing the dash. I guess the body floating saves some floor space but it must make the upper portions of the body hard to work on.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2013-12-30 4:20 PM (#419328 - in reply to #419287)
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Pre-installing the dash allows me to put about 10 hours or so on the drivetrain while testing all elects etc. Everything is accessible to fix leaks, do adjustments or re. and re. anything.

You are correct. I had no place to put the body. I could only use the shop on weekends! It was the only pic I had of the bare body.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-12-30 9:38 PM (#419371 - in reply to #419231)
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Greg,

I am intrigued by your riser posts. Can you explain your "science" here .... what they are made of, how they
are secured to the frame and body, and why they are the length they are ? ... advantages, disadvantages,
changes you'd make ?

I am not that far off from needing to separate the body from the frame and I'd like to hear your reasons for
this interesting way of doing things.


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LD3 Greg
Posted 2013-12-30 11:17 PM (#419391 - in reply to #419371)
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Well, Doc, it was seat of the pants stuff. I had to do a lot of floor replacements and the best " jig" I could think of was the frame itself so I needed a way to very securely and accurately hold the body " up and away" to do the work. Put a series of posts identical in length, with a washer welded at each end and run threaded rod, nuts and washers down the centres to secure the body to the frame. One for every body mount. I had a set about 8" long. Worked great for high up body work and paint. Another set about 20" long and another set 30" long for most floor work.

I knew I was going to do many cars (actually 9 or 10 total) so to take time to make up these bits was worthwhile. The problem with the blue car was I didn't have an extra frame!! That was my first restoration attempt. I sacrificed a 57 suburban, left the front t-bars still tight and the rear suspension in place. Left all wheels on it and used it as my "mobile" work bench. With the suspensions in place that frame was "torqued" to be about as accurate a jig could be!

I made all posts from 1 1/2" square tube. I've got lots of pics but I can't post them. I just can't do computer stuff --- much rather work in my shop!!
Greg
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2013-12-30 11:30 PM (#419392 - in reply to #419371)
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Doc, at the top of this thread you will see use of these posts. Sorry, the 30" posts were 1 1/2" pipe. It's important that they are all identical in length. With 3/8" threaded rod tightening the body to the frame it can pull things out of shape. That is why I wanted as accurate a frame jig as possible.

Needless to say, neither the spring special or the blue car needed much in the way of floor replacement. Some of my cars sure did!
Greg
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-12-31 1:34 AM (#419411 - in reply to #419392)
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Aren't the mating elevations different for some of the body mounts ? It seems the rear
box rail and trunk pan mounts are not on plane with the cowl and floor mounts.

So, you just took what .... 1/4" wall 2.5" square tube and welded washer ends to them
to create the frame-to-body spacers, and then used all-thread to bind the "sandwich" together ?
How do you dial-in your alignment ? .... or more pointedly, how do you know you have it
right ? ... what is the point of reference ?

I suspect your overhead crane is instrumental in making this approach work and it would
be difficult and risky to do without one (?).

Thanks for your feedback. Always looking for "better ideas".
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Posted 2013-12-31 2:56 AM (#419414 - in reply to #419411)
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Yes, they are all different but ALL are equidistant from the frame. Check out your frame to body mount hardware. It will be a mixed bag but the FINAL mounting clearance between frame and body will always be identical at all body mount locations or at least MUST be.

100 or 1/8 wall tubing is lots. The point of reference is the frame itself. Can I tell you a story?! On another thread I said I street raced a 57 D500 and took every bodies money when it was new. Subsequently I had opportunity to drive other 57 and 58. While the car we raced was absolutely wonderful to drive but the others were PIGS to drive. They accelerated and braked crookedly, they squeaked and groaned and leaked. That really puzzled me. One car was great and the next just sucked!

When I started to drag these cars home and dissemble them the thing that was most evident was the condition of the rubber washer body mount cushions. Some were good enough to reuse and others were crushed beyond recognition.

This is bulls**t. Either the frame or the body was crooked! This isn't rocket science. A proper restoration MUST fix this. The frame and the body MUST fit together like a glove, if not , you will have another pig. IMHO.

My overhead cranes and cherry pickers made life easier.
Greg
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Posted 2013-12-31 2:49 PM (#419486 - in reply to #419414)
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The wording of my last post was too harsh. Sorry about that.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-12-31 2:59 PM (#419491 - in reply to #419486)
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I just spent 3 years with the USMC in AFG. Your choice of words is just fine.

Uh, yeah .... brain fart on my part. Of course the risers would be the same ! Not sure where
my head was at on that !

OK, so back to the different lengths ... The tall dudes are of obvious advantage to access from
both above and below. What was your idea behind the shorter ones ?
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Posted 2013-12-31 3:09 PM (#419492 - in reply to #419491)
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One more question ....

In terms of precise alignment, it seems to this feeble memory, that there is a fair amount of slop
in those holes of both the frame and body to the bolts. As a matter of making everything dead-on
true, what steps do you take to establish "correct" and what do you use for reference points ?

Do you take a pre-restoration car to a frame shop and have the frame checked/trued before starting
work ?

I am about to start piecing in the lower rear clip on my DeSoto (58 Fireflite convertible). After being
rear-ended, the frame was checked, but I am untrusting of the work done at the time, and judging
by the work I see you doing here, suspect your level of picking nits is more my style and I am thinking
of perhaps starting over or re-checking previous work before proceeding. Suggestions, science, logic,
observations, wild-ass rants ??? Please share.
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Posted 2013-12-31 3:48 PM (#419500 - in reply to #419492)
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Those convertible colors look very good he sure has a lot of talent! But the continental kit kills the whole thing for me.
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d500neil
Posted 2013-12-31 4:19 PM (#419503 - in reply to #398789)
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Been meaning to post up a few of Greg's early 90's restoration photos, as a part of our
refinishing research.

Note all of the "natural finish" components, that make up a correct restoration.

Also note the un-painted generator end plates and the nose of the starter.

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Posted 2013-12-31 4:28 PM (#419504 - in reply to #419500)
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If you can find a good frame shop it would be worth doing. I think/assume the FSM has dimensional data on what is considered 'square'. One thing for sure, I would not start any frame pulling with the body mounted. Because then the body would be (possibly) getting tweaked as well.

On my 66 Fury I had a good frame guy do a front end alignment and during the process he showed me how the RH lower ball joint mounting hole was about 3/8" further back than the driver's side. He used a fancy 15 foot long caliper-thing that he told me cost $1500. I am confident that is just factory slop but it also was enough to make it not possible for me to get more than about 1 degree + caster on that side. The point being....a guy who knows how to measure a frame can tell you lots of interesting things.

The holes in the frame are about 1" diameter but the rubber bushing has a step that takes up the space. The kicker is you can get the frame into perfect hole-to-hole alignment but unless you also have a body that happened to be perfect you will still be relying on the forgiveness of the fit-up to make it all work.

Greg's point about getting the body on the frame is valid but in the case of my '58...the old bushings were all there but squished out. When I went back with all new bushings, the car went together well in that each bushing seemed to have similarly 'squeeze' on it. But I can't tell any particular difference in the way the car rides or handles. It's a little 'nicer' due to the new rubber but I can't tell anything beyond that.

I also scracth my head over the front two mounts which are visible from the engine compartment...they are metal-to-metal and I haven't figured out what is the point of that.




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Posted 2013-12-31 5:37 PM (#419517 - in reply to #419492)
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I used the short posts mainly for painting the cars. I don't remember using the 20" (or so) ones any more than once or twice.

That wagon where I got the frame (my mobile workbench) was undamaged just rusty. So I knew I was pretty safe using it.

When I drop the finished body on it's own frame, I spend a lot of time shimming to try to have even contact at all mounts.

When all(most) posts are being placed I just try to keep the threaded rod ends near the centre of the holes in both frame and body. As you said, there is quite a bit of lateral and fore & aft play in the holes. I have not had any problems with that. When the posts are tightened it is surprising how stable it all is.

Of course the biggest application for the posts is to transplant large floor pieces into a body. These were salvaged pieces I was using. Any floor pieces that included body mount holes --- just set em in place on the posts and your vertical dimensions are taken care of.

Doc, re your frame, let me think about it for a bit.
I think Neil has more of these photos than I do!!
Greg
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Posted 2013-12-31 5:52 PM (#419521 - in reply to #419517)
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LOL...I kept a dossier on our work/research...

Gots lots more too...shall we talk about torsion bar, and other, paint daubs?


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Posted 2013-12-31 6:15 PM (#419527 - in reply to #419521)
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Paint daubs ----- not sure. I doubt many people are interested.
Got a black tie affair tonight , better go see if my tux has shrunk!!
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Posted 2013-12-31 6:28 PM (#419529 - in reply to #419527)
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Brent, all the frame dimensions (including diagonal) are in the 1958 DeSoto service manual. I happen to have one right here. I'll take some pictures if you don't have it.

I love reading this thread. Although I'm not restoring it to original, I'm knee-deep in my Chrysler right now so this is all very interesting to me.
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Posted 2014-01-01 12:27 AM (#419578 - in reply to #398789)
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Greg, I had no idea there was such a talented Forward Look restorer in Ontario. Where in Ontario are you? Did you ever show your cars at Moparfest?
Incredible work! Are you still restoring FL cars?
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Posted 2014-01-01 10:38 AM (#419610 - in reply to #419517)
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Doc, I guess the most important thing I know about collision damage is to realize how little I know!! To be good at would take years or experience and apprenticeship. I avoided collision cars for that reason so never had to use a frame shop. In the case of the blue car rear left quarter and some junkyard damage to my Regal here is what I was told and shown by a body man on staff at the time.

Clean all surfaces to determine the point of any impact and determine then how the parts slid to the stopping point. This damage must be removed (dolly, hammer, pulling whatever) in REVERSE order of how it occurred. Do this fot all damage sites. The principle behind it is that any dent, regardless of how big,distresses all neighbouring steel. Working out the damage this way relieves this stress. Go through this procedure even if you are going to cut out these damaged parts and discard them.

Your case is much different. This might give a little different way to look at things and might help.


I wonder if you could rent or borrow a fancy laser level to check vertical heights at the various frame body mount locations when you get the body elevated a bit.

Greg
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Posted 2014-01-01 10:44 AM (#419611 - in reply to #419578)
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Hi Todd,
Thanks for the post. I live near Kingston. I took my Regal to Moparfest in 2002 but haven't been back.
Greg
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Posted 2014-01-01 1:55 PM (#419651 - in reply to #419610)
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My car has a colored past. Corporate in-house use car (09841 code), it turned up in Syracuse, NY as
a just-purchased car with a lot of body repair already done in 1960. The passenger quarter was replaced
with a used, rusty 1957 convertible quarter and the lower half of both quarters cut off and replaced for
rust repair. A considerable dent in the lower passenger door suggests an impact at the door, moving
rearward (hence the quarter swap). The could have involved a 2nd car in a T-bone/sideswipe sort of
wreck, or just the DeSoto hitting a stationary object while moving forward. The rocker was unaffected,
so I presume it was a high hit, or something very solid with just enough impact to mash the side in short
of crunching the rocker ?

The wreck I was involved in was a direct hit from the rear that hit above the frame (high riding 70's
Chevy Blazer). The damage to the car was strange. A rusty floor and trunk pan simply tore, allowing
the entire rear clip to slide forward on the frame with no real damage to the quarters beyond a crunched
decklid and toasting the tail light towers. The cowl was cut away from the floor, the front body mounts
repaired and the car rebuilt from the cowl back, using excellent sheetmetal I had saved for the job when
I had my wrecking yard.

Because the wreck occurred while the car was in service, there was no opportunity to brace the body
to a rigid position, required huge amounts of time, raising and lowering the top to get the alignments
dialed in as each piece was brought back into place. All that remains to do is the trunk and passenger
side lower quarter. However, I am not satisfied with the previous work done and may tear back into
some of that to fine tune it a bit ? Hence the questions about your work strategy and logic.

My shop is still with a gravel floor and unheated and rather primitive for working conditions. Until I
land steady employment, I am holding off on pushing the shop construction to keep my savings in reserve,
but after 3 years in AFG, I am eager to push the car forward in any way I can, even it is means working
in the dirt. At least I have a roof over my head and most of the tools to do the job (although now you
have me thinking about an overhead crane !)

I agree that understanding all you DON'T KNOW is very important. Much like my old employer's advice
that bodywork is largely about knowing when to STOP.

I have all the fancy laser stuff, but would need to get a solid floor under the car to use them with any
reliable point of reference. One more thing that needs to get done .....
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Posted 2014-01-01 2:36 PM (#419654 - in reply to #419651)
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The frame guy I know here runs his own general repair shop...but he spent 13 years as the main frame guy at the Ford dealer here in Houston. He's pulled more frames around in a week than a scumbag like me will ever do in his home shop. Luckily me car has not rust or accident issues but if it did the first thing I would do is to get him to ensure the frame was right.
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Posted 2014-01-01 7:26 PM (#419692 - in reply to #419521)
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Neil, I've had several PM requests for the paint daubs. Please post em.
Thanks Greg
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