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big m
Posted 2013-10-25 7:55 PM (#406083 - in reply to #406038)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2013-10-25 1:19 PM

I am surprised to see the level of still-in-paint metal here, right alongside totally wasted areas.
I am accustomed to seeing a more uniform rust throughout. Cars from Seattle typically need the
entire trunk pan and side drops replaced, as the rear window trough leaked and allowed water to
just sit on the flat surface, the drops going gunnysack with the outer quarter skin from the wet debris
that always accumulates in that "sump"-like pocket.

I will need to hone my own rusty welding skills, but with this much metal still present, it will be more
of a patch job than a build-it-out-of-nothing adventure. Those are always fun because you are building
out into thin air with no straight lines for reference points. This should not be TOO bad.


It's always so much more difficult dissecting and then repairing someone's former botch job. I've found metal so stretched that it took hours of shrinking to get back in place, all because someone didn't know what they were doing. Looks like you are digging right into it.

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Posted 2013-10-25 8:39 PM (#406088 - in reply to #406083)
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Looks like fun times are in store but its always great to be moving forward.
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Posted 2013-10-26 12:19 AM (#406160 - in reply to #386187)
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So Doc

With all this going on on your desosto, whats going on with the buzzard?

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-10-26 1:08 AM (#406167 - in reply to #406160)
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Buzzard is on a skeleton budget, but still being worked on at the resto shop. They are doing paint prep.
I had the chrome done for the car, and am being a slacker in getting the aluminum in for re-anodizing ...
... but that is just me being busy.

Tonight I finished the cleanup of the DeSoto's trunk of all the patches and goo to reveal exactly what I
need to cut out of the parts clip. The right side forward body mount was rusty, so our intrepid repair guys
of yore pounded some very thin tin over the contours and tacked it in place as shown below.

I jumped back over to the clip and got to chipping away at the undercoating inside the wheel tub. I will
get it clean and remove it next. I think my best strategy is to rebuild the wheel tub first, using the flimsy,
but still there, surrounding metal as a reference point. Once in place, I can move backward with the vertical
piece that brings the trunk pan down to meet the quarter skin. Basically by moving my reference point back
a piece at a time, then I can remove the rear box rail to fab that in, THEN go forward on the driver's side.

Too easy, right ?




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henricthornsund
Posted 2013-10-26 2:58 AM (#406178 - in reply to #386187)
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This thread is highly enjoyable, glad you started it Doc. Body repair pics are always interesting and educational.
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firedome
Posted 2013-10-26 11:46 AM (#406217 - in reply to #386187)
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Nice to see the '58 moving forward again!
Looks to be almost on a par with John's '59 Plym in magnitude of work required - ie: more than I'd ever attempt.

Living these days only an hour S of Syracuse, this this kind of "metal art" kludge was routinely performed on poorly rustproofed late '50s cars after only a couple years of NY winters.. Our '63 Ford wagon was beginning to rust around the lower edges even before Dad gave it to me in '68, and that was in moderate weather Baltimore... upstate NY has salt on the road 5-6 months of the year!

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-10-26 1:23 PM (#406250 - in reply to #406217)
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I write this like I would like to read it. That is, if I did not know squat about body work,
I might be able to get a handle on some of the nuances or develop the courage to try it.
So, it is about sharing knowledge in an easy-to-understand way to help out others who
might face similar challenges.

And yes, Firedome, this one is going to be a challenge. And if this looks interesting, keep
in mind that before it went into mothballs, it was chopped into separate parts, with the entire
center section of the car between the rear clip and cowl missing .... That work
is already done.

It is my plan to button the body back together, then take it off the frame, make the frame
and chassis all purty, do the transmission and engine mods, and then drop the body back on
and finish the paint and interior.

Since the car was mechanically restored in 1995, much of this work is simple cleanup and
transfer. But like I said to Fenix backchannel a couple days ago, I enjoy the journey WAY
more than the destination in life, and while most people probably stress out over a car so shredded,
I love this part of the restoration and ownership. It is my perpetual "barn find" and I enjoy it,
whether is it sitting there collecting dust or getting worked on, or being driven. It is a mess,
but it is MY mess !!!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-10-28 12:57 AM (#406565 - in reply to #406250)
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Got back on the project for a couple hours tonight. I am dismantling the parts clip to create/separate out
the various pieces I will need to patch in.

The most complicated part to avoid fabricating is the rear box rail. I am unsure at this point if the 59 piece
is the same as the 58, but given the many long, compound curves, even if not identical, I may be able to
chop it up to make it right ???

So, the objective is to take the rear clip apart in the various pieces it was originally built from. First up was
the right side trunk floor "drop". I'll let the photos explain which piece I am talking about. It probably would
have been easier to remove if I had pulled the wheel tub first, but I discovered this late into the process. Since
I want to be welding this in from the top, I was forced to drill the welds on the flipped over clip from below - a
real PITA. For such a small piece, these are REALLY welded in place, and have some welds that are impossible
to get at with the wedge (to break), and as it forms part of the box rail end, has welds in some unexpected
places (not the usual in-a-line lap type welds).

I use a bright light, shown across the weld surface area, to help spot them (dimples or bumps) for drilling.
Shots 2 and 3 show the weld dimples and the same drilled out. Shot 4 shows the end of the box rail where
those same welds tied the two together.

With that side drop piece removed, it was time to remove the wheel tub. The last shot shows the welds drilled
out and the tub separated from the pan. There are some welds in the rear seat area that I will need to prop
the clip up in order to safely access, so I called it a night and I'll do that next.



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earleebob
Posted 2013-10-28 6:41 AM (#406584 - in reply to #386187)
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That is a classic photo Doc!



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-10-28 9:18 AM (#406599 - in reply to #406584)
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For years, that has been my DAILY "barn find".

I am not joking when I say I like them in "as found" condition as much or more than all finished
and pretty. Something about "barn fresh" that is really thrilling.

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Posted 2013-10-29 1:48 AM (#406852 - in reply to #386187)
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I think you need to see a doctor......:)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-10-29 10:29 AM (#406938 - in reply to #406852)
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I AM the doctor ! .... and I have a dealership award to prove it !





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hemidenis
Posted 2013-10-31 1:57 AM (#407417 - in reply to #386187)
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Doc, if you keep taking spot welds out of that rear clip, you are going to need this machine.



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-10-31 12:51 PM (#407505 - in reply to #407417)
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WOW !!!!!

THAT is something I have never seen before ! Kinda scary looking, isn't it ?

If you could send one right over, maybe I can get through this body rebuild faster.

Please include that nicely open and well lit shop while you're at it ! A big pile of
shiny new sheetmetal for the project would be nice too.
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-11-01 1:46 AM (#407732 - in reply to #386187)
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Sorry doc i have this machine only for 61, I think your machine model was gone by 61 even maybe for 59....
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firedome
Posted 2013-11-01 12:39 PM (#407813 - in reply to #407732)
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Saw a later version of this machine in operation circa 1978 when I took my son with a Boy Scout group to the GM/Broening Highway Baltimore Assy'y plant (since closed) when they were building Grand Prix Pontiacs/Malibus there.. this contraption puts out quite a spectacular show of sparks!!

Another thing that impressed me was that they were still using hot lead, applied by hand from a bucket, to fill body seams such as the roof/body C-pillar joint... bet they don''t do that anymore!!
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2013-11-02 12:26 PM (#408019 - in reply to #386187)
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Really cool to see a car that rare sitting in a barn that isnt in Sweden.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-02 2:50 PM (#408044 - in reply to #408019)
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There isn't a day that goes by where I don't think that myself.

I have taken a lot of sh!t over letting that car sit, but you know, it is there, it is mine,
and I love it. ..... and it isn't gone overseas or to the crusher. It is still in a barn in America,
in my favorite setting (barn fresh). What could possibly be better ?

Life is about the journey, not the destination. Would I like it done ? Sure. Is it great just
puttering on it too ? You bet !
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-03 10:57 AM (#408169 - in reply to #408044)
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Had a few more hours free to fiddle with the project. I propped the rear clip up on its
end and accessed the rear seat area to get the wheel tub free from the interior quarter
metal. As this piece is also needed for rust repair, I had to painstakingly cut way the rear
window channel metal to access the welds for drilling. Outside of a few small kinks created
while popping the welds, I got the tub free without too much destruction.



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2013-11-03 4:12 PM (#408231 - in reply to #386187)
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It's a really cool car to see in any condition! They made about 470 right?
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-03 5:19 PM (#408243 - in reply to #408231)
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474, to be exact.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2013-11-03 5:37 PM (#408254 - in reply to #386187)
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Thanks!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-04 12:33 AM (#408335 - in reply to #408254)
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Tonight I cut the outer skin off the left side of the parts clip and removed the wheel tub
to get this thing broken down for the parts I need. Next I will drill out the seam where the
floor pan mates up with the trunk pan/hump and get this into two pieces. The priority is
getting the rear box rail separated out from the surrounding metal, as this is an essential
piece for the body rebuild. Getting close.




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firedome
Posted 2013-11-04 10:10 AM (#408378 - in reply to #408335)
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What has kept me from doing this extent of body repair is alignment precision... so much like door gaps and panel fits and water-tightness and rattles and glass fit and, and, on & on depends on getting everything just right - easy in the original factory with precision jigs, but certainly an intimidating level of difficulty facing the home-brew repairer, at least to me. Even though it's all just metal, it's how it's put together that's ultimately so critical to so many things.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-04 2:14 PM (#408436 - in reply to #408378)
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Drilling out these welds, one gets a real hands-on idea of how much slop they allowed for in panel
alignment. It is terrible ! However, to be fair, I don't know if it made much difference
at the "performance" level you describe and wasn't engineered into it. But the overlaps and reveals
are grossly inconsistent side-to-side, and even along same seams.

Basically, using the mounted body on the frame as a reference point, I will cut the lower part of the
wheel tub out of the car at a level determined by rust and not wanting to take more out than I need to.
Since the wheel tubs are different on convertibles from about 5" up from the bottom, that line will be
somewhere in the 4-5 inch range. I will do this in sections, the rear curve being the starting point. This
allows me to use the trunk floor just aft as another reference point in locating the new metal. Once this
piece is in place, IT becomes the reference point from which the repaired trunk floor drops are now
located between the wheel tub and the rear box rail (still mounted to the frame). I will jump across to
verify this work is done correctly on the other side, and THEN go about removing the rear box rail and
replacing/grafting the new one in, to tie those side drops back in place and make the rear clip assembly
whole again. Only when the assembly is welded back together will it be cut loose from the frame mounts
to allow flex (which won't happen because it is already welded).

Panel alignment such as door reveals can be dealt with as you go. My NY'er/Adventurer project had
a terrible drivers door that was OK at the top, but overlapped the quarter at the bottom, chipping the
paint. It also had issues of being even with the quarter up high, but hung way out (gap) at the bottom.

To remedy, I took the quarter skin loose from the rocker and cut a wedge slice northbound just behind
the door jam. Mr. Sluggo persuaded the door jam forward to open that bottom gap and the slice allowed
the top to be pushed back just enough for an even reveal top-to-bottom. I used a screw to set the in-
and-out profile of the quarter skin, and welded it all back into place as it should have been.

It is rough work, but once one gets their head around the idea of sledgehammers and doing "rough
work", it isn't so bad. Working on a closed car is 100x easier than a ragtop, because the roof holds the
body in place. But even this isn't impossible. You just gotta look at it as "it's just metal" and beat it to
where you want it. Ugly as it may be, it is about my favorite part of doing a restoration.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-09 12:51 AM (#409392 - in reply to #408436)
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I set aside the whole evening to separate the trunk pan from the floor pan and forward
area ... finally ! But the #@! shop has become so congested with "stuff" during this project
that I got distracted putting stuff away and cleaning up and next thing I know, it's 2130 !

Tomorrow night is spoken for, so maybe Sunday ?
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Posted 2013-11-09 12:52 AM (#409393 - in reply to #386187)
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Hey Doc, thought you might get a kicout of this, Been looking again at the postcard thread and saw this. Note the date.
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Doctor DeSoto - 2008-12-06 2:26 PM

Is it just me, of does the mismatched body panel just scream "white trash" and any and all measures should be taken immediately to get that hood painted to match ? I do not feel this way so strongly about non-finned cars, but it really bugs me to see a finned car with missing wheel covers, dirty, dented up, or with the off-color door, etc.

I see the period and the style as being such a pinnacle, or purity of style, that it just needs to be in good representative form of it looks bad. 1920's or 1940's styling, not such a big deal. Googie stuff ? Just doesn't adapt well.

I sure do enjoy this thread.




gees Doc DeS, you'd simply tear your hair out at the sight of my wagon at the moment then... lol....

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I trust you are making "every effort" to make that old tub look spiffy, right ?

Remember, I am the guy with his car in bare metal, sans nose clip, the interior piled with parts ....

It is supposed to hit 17 below zero tonight. We wrapped up the dirt work for the shop about 2 hours before the snow started falling. I really wanted to be working in the new shop this winter, but it just wasn't to be. When spring comes it will be full speed ahead ! Next winter will be spent warm and indoors, welding and fabbing the last of the metal. I want to paint the DeSoto the following summer (if not sooner) .... no more mismatched body panels !
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-09 1:19 AM (#409396 - in reply to #409393)
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Uh, yeah ....

I guess this is a case of where the best laid plans go straight to hell, eh ?

Life got in the way ?

Well, at least it is moving forward now !
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Posted 2013-11-09 2:33 AM (#409399 - in reply to #386187)
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It's a marathon, not a sprint! One rusty hole and spot weld at a time.


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57Kelii
Posted 2013-11-09 6:23 AM (#409404 - in reply to #405429)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2013-10-23 12:53 AM

If this were a Firedome, I would not hesitate running the dog dishies. It truly would
be unique. I don't know of a single example of a 57-61 DeSoto running doggies today,
let alone a big body, or a convertible ! But a Fireflite just would be wrong with dog
dishies as an original appearing upline car.

It will boil down to wires or custom wheels and those spinners.


You forget Nick Nichols collection? I've been eyeing that Desoto of his for about two years now. It has doggies... http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s579/57Kelii/1959%20Desoto/100_...

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Doctor DeSoto
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57Kelii - 2013-11-10 3:23 AM
You forget Nick Nichols collection? I've been eyeing that Desoto of his for about two years now. It has doggies... http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s579/57Kelii/1959%20Desoto/100_...

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It's not that I "forgot" Nick's stuff (he has a rough original 58 Adventurer coupe), but this
is a 59 And it is a mystery 59 with no model emblems, but Fireflite "warts" glued
on the rear quarters and a sexy brown paint job.

I don't track 59's. Hate 'em, don't want to see them, just don't like 'em. Hate the blunted
nose, hate the fins and rear end even more. Hate the idiot light dash. The only thing I like
about 59's is the cool hood latch door. Unfortunately it was used on the ugliest DeSoto from
the Forward Look era.

Did I mention I don't like them ?
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57Kelii
Posted 2013-11-09 3:22 PM (#409464 - in reply to #409434)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2013-11-09 12:18 PM

57Kelii - 2013-11-10 3:23 AM
You forget Nick Nichols collection? I've been eyeing that Desoto of his for about two years now. It has doggies... http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s579/57Kelii/1959%20Desoto/100_...

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It's not that I "forgot" Nick's stuff (he has a rough original 58 Adventurer coupe), but this
is a 59 And it is a mystery 59 with no model emblems, but Fireflite "warts" glued
on the rear quarters and a sexy brown paint job.

I don't track 59's. Hate 'em, don't want to see them, just don't like 'em. Hate the blunted
nose, hate the fins and rear end even more. Hate the idiot light dash. The only thing I like
about 59's is the cool hood latch door. Unfortunately it was used on the ugliest DeSoto from
the Forward Look era.

Did I mention I don't like them ?


I know they aren't very pretty. It's a Firesweep (no front emblem) and someone decided to add some fireflite circles to the rear of the fin. I like it a bit because it's a ugly ducking, least amount of chrome so you can see the shape of the body.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-09 9:01 PM (#409518 - in reply to #409464)
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If I did not think the 57-58 DeSoto was THE best looking post war car ever built, I prolly
would not be so prejudiced against the 59. But as it worked out, they just botched the
F#K out of the something great. My pea brain just can't accept what they did.

Those dog dishies would sure look great on a 57 Firedome like this:




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57Kelii
Posted 2013-11-09 10:16 PM (#409540 - in reply to #386187)
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I can't be as lucky as you Doc, find any 57-60 Desoto (or finding any under 10 k) is a bit of work, finding a coupe is really hard. That article that I showed you in the past was the perfect car...right around where I live, a coupe, perfect, just the owner wouldn't sell. Guess I'll just have to keep on the hunt! (and sell my Studebaker soon I hope)
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Doctor DeSoto
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Or get your goose built up to just pay 10K for the car you want ! These DO come up for sale, and
with every passing year they get a little harder to find and a little more expensive. The time to take
action is now. Make the commitment, kick some ass, take some names, and sock that money away
to where you are large and in charge when that car you really want comes available !

You CAN do this. If a schmuck like me can do it, anyone can ! Just make up your mind this is going
to happen and do what it takes to make it so. Make the Gunny proud.
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Posted 2013-11-11 1:35 PM (#409927 - in reply to #409556)
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I agree completely. Figure out what you want and can reasonably afford & at what level you can fix things on it, then go for it.

But Doc, you missed a nice feature from 1959 - swivel seats. Although at the time, that feature was quirky at best; they are definitely cool now. But what is this hood latch door you are referring to? I haven't heard of that.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-12 1:29 PM (#410214 - in reply to #409927)
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I would stress to anyone that to be successful in getting the car you want (versus settling for what
you can find/afford) is to turn away from the cars and focus on the self improvement needed to make
the kind of money that will put your ass in the seat of the car you want, rather than pissing away a
lifetime wishing for something that is out of reach. Where's the fun in that ?

Yeah, 59 got a few goodies like cruise control and swivels that I dig. I have a set of 59 power swivels
hanging in my rafters that *might* go in the DeSoto, but since it has power seat already, I an undecided
on that. I prefer the slimmer look of the swivels, for sure.

The 59 DeSoto and Chrysler got this groovy little spring-hinged door that pushes out of the way to
access the hood release. Swivels and cruise are nifty add-ons, but this door is an integral part of the
body of every car, and IMO, the best thing about them.
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jimntempe
Posted 2013-11-12 8:14 PM (#410349 - in reply to #386187)
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Everyone should max out at least one car along the way - by that I mean add every extra doodad possible, like converting manual windows to power, converting to power seats, adding the automatic day/night mirror, putting on the remote mirrors, adding the cruise control (to a car that won't see 1500 miles in a year), etc, etc, and get it out of their system. Then they can have the added pleasure of fixing all that extra stuff when something goes haywire. Did that the first time thru. Now I'm perfectly content to have plain roll up windows and manual locks and non-tilt wheel, etc. All I ask for now is PS, PB, AT, and AC as long as the car itself is the one I WANT. I wouldn't turn down all those nifty extras if they came with the car, no siree, but I'm over needing to have or add them... been there, done that.
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57Kelii
Posted 2013-11-13 6:16 AM (#410432 - in reply to #410214)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2013-11-12 1:29 PM

I would stress to anyone that to be successful in getting the car you want (versus settling for what
you can find/afford) is to turn away from the cars and focus on the self improvement needed to make
the kind of money that will put your ass in the seat of the car you want, rather than pissing away a
lifetime wishing for something that is out of reach. Where's the fun in that ?

Yeah, 59 got a few goodies like cruise control and swivels that I dig. I have a set of 59 power swivels
hanging in my rafters that *might* go in the DeSoto, but since it has power seat already, I an undecided
on that. I prefer the slimmer look of the swivels, for sure.

The 59 DeSoto and Chrysler got this groovy little spring-hinged door that pushes out of the way to
access the hood release. Swivels and cruise are nifty add-ons, but this door is an integral part of the
body of every car, and IMO, the best thing about them.


Cruise was offered on '58 Chryslers and Imperials, as it was on 59, I'm not so sure about Desoto? You don't hear much talk about all those goodie options on cars, but then again, most cars didn't have them. Cruise control is honestly only good for low traffic freeways and long trips across the country
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-13 11:09 AM (#410465 - in reply to #410432)
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Most of these goodies aren't worth a sh!t beyond the "OMG!" factor of having them.

I mean, really .... a Highway Hi-Fi ? Steering wheel clock ? Traffic light viewer ? Certified speedo ?

Power windows are my personal "favorite" option. Highly functional and well used. I had
swivels in my 60 DeSoto and used them, but it wasn't any big advantage over a standard seat.

Rear antennas are mandatory, as are twin mirrors, and proper Super Cushion whitewalls for
appearance. None of which are that functional. The car would go down the road quite well
without them. I just want "that look". Same for the first mentioned stuff. Most people have
never seen a car like mine, and likely will never see another. They peer inside and see that
traffic light viewer (the most commonly asked about widget on the car) and scratch their heads.

Isn't that half the point of driving an old car like ours ?
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Posted 2013-11-13 12:04 PM (#410476 - in reply to #410465)
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I had a traffic light viewer in my Edsel Conv. It was good to have because of the windshield design. These FLs have that beautiful bubble (most) windshield and its higher. Does a traffic light viewer help anymore on these cars?
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2013-11-13 9:33 PM (#410596 - in reply to #410476)
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Does a highway hifi really work? Does it skip when you hit a bump?
Or are they just supposed to be used while parked? Sorry for all the questions.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-13 11:04 PM (#410604 - in reply to #410476)
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One must remember that until the 70's, there were lots of street lights on the CLOSE side of the
intersection, whereas today it is mandated they be located at the far side of the intersection. But
with them on the close side, the driver of a car in the "pole position" could not see the light. This
was especially true of early 50's cars with visors. In fact, most traffic light viewers were sold on
those cars. I find the TLV works great for creating puzzled looks and questions from clueless types.

The Hi-Fi worked reasonably well when going down the road. The primary downfall of the idea
was RCA's failure to follow through with providing new release/contemporary music for them. The
library of records is very limited. The later units played 45 rpm singles. I've never had any interest
in these, but presume they worked as well for tracking as the 16 rpm units.
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Posted 2013-11-14 11:22 AM (#410656 - in reply to #410604)
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I had the chance to toss a few more hours at the project a couple nights back, but have been too
busy to post the pix.

I began by drilling out the spot welds in the seam that connects the floor pan with the trunk pan
and separating the two. I hung the front part from the rafters to get it out of my way and continued
on getting the trunk pan cleaned of all its excess metal. The rear box rail needed to be drilled out
and separated from the bumper backing panel. With this backing panel removed, all I have left is
the side drop and it is ready to be chopped, repaired and used in the 58.




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57Kelii
Posted 2013-11-14 3:00 PM (#410694 - in reply to #410656)
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That much closer keep up the good work
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hemidenis
Posted 2013-11-14 6:01 PM (#410735 - in reply to #386187)
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oh my god Doc I was not kidding: I don't have the Frankenstein machine to positioning all this back for re-weld it", I repeat I was kidding I don't have the 1961 either
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firedome
Posted 2013-11-14 9:00 PM (#410782 - in reply to #410735)
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I agree with Doc that if you want a specific car you better to go for it, or you will forever regret it, but just don't do as I did circa 1985, and hold out for a '58 Adventurer convert... unless you are Warren Buffet, or a facsimile thereof, it's just not gonna happen!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-11-14 11:48 PM (#410799 - in reply to #410782)
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Roger,

Did you ever catch wind of the Adventurer convertible in the wrecking yard in Virginia ?
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firedome
Posted 2013-11-15 10:54 AM (#410849 - in reply to #410799)
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Holy moly, when was that?? Cripes I lived in MD from 1950 to 1998, and would have turned over heaven and earth for one in VA, got a 58 Royal in S VA around then... but my contacts and networks weren't good back then, mostly WPC, OCW, Hemmings, some word of mouth, huge Mopar guys like Don Rook in PA (got 62 Polara 500 convert from him, and he had loads of 300 letter cars) and Ron Wenger also in PA, who sourced my 300 convert and bought my 58 NYer (it may have gone from him straight to Sweden)... Ohhh... can't believe I was maybe that close to my ultimate car.. please tell me it was an unrestorable, rusted out, missing 50% parts, junk heap that needed to be and was scrapped! (after useable parts removed of course).

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57burb
Posted 2013-11-15 11:33 AM (#410856 - in reply to #410849)
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Hey Doc, posted this screen grab in the random pics thread. Thought you would see it (and enjoy it) here as well.

A '58 Desoto convertible - a Firesweep, with dog dishes, and in your favorite colors! What an odd duck.



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