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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Sonoramic60 - 2017-01-23 9:53 PM I resubmitted that request on January 7 of this year and received the record and beaucoup explanatory material today (January 23). It was well worth the $55.00 fee. Joe Godec Good and encouraging news. I wanted to submit a request just after I bought my 56 Dodge in Sept. but, as we know, they weren't accepting applications until after January 1st. I sent Danielle Szostak-Viers an email on Jan. 4 to confirm that they were up and running. I got a reply on the 6th (Friday) but there was no mail pick-up until Monday the 9th. So I got my application/request in on Jan. 9th, 2 days after you Joe. Hopefully I will get a reply with the info this week if they are running just over a 2 week turn-a-round. Can't wait.  | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 57chizler - 2017-01-31 2:30 PM I went with the option to have the info e-mailed, cheaper and more reliable. WHHAAATT!!?? I never saw that option box on the form. (Maybe I missed it, D'oh)  | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 56D500boy - 2017-01-31 6:03 PM 57chizler - 2017-01-31 2:30 PM I went with the option to have the info e-mailed, cheaper and more reliable. WHHAAATT!!?? I never saw that option box on the form. (Maybe I missed it, D'oh) :( In retrospect, I did see it but decided that I wanted all the information possible about my car from them, not just the two pages that they will email. Finally got the full meal deal package. However, it till leaves questions unanswered re:brakes, location of manufacture, etc. See below I replied to Danielle with this: "Woo Hoo! Today (Friday) was the day. Just when I expected NO mail because it is snowing here today. A couple of things: 1. The 541 Trim code = as per the attached photo. (Not mine, mine has some issues and I am redoing it - the back of the door card was stamped "541") (The photo was of a mylar, patterned blue and solid blue door card like mine, but perfect) 2. I understood that 426 series VINs were indications that car was built in Los Angeles, not Detroit. With a west coast (Anacortes WA) delivery point, a Los Angeles build would make sense. The letter says Plant: Detroit MI Hmmm..... 3. Seeing that the D500 Hemi engine was a low production item and most/all of the full meal deal (engine, brakes and heavy duty suspension) 56 D500s were made in Detroit, it would make sense that the engine for my car was made in Detroit. The letter says Engine Prefix: Los Angeles, CA. Any chance that the Plant and Engine Prefix locations got swapped and the correct answer is Engine Prefix = Detroit and Plant = Los Angeles ? Thanks for your time and patience with me (I'm an old codger (65) with Type A personality)" On a related note: 1. I got the 24 page AMA Consolidated Specification "Questionnaire" 2. I also got a multipage photo copy of what looks like a dealer training brouchure with all the details about the 56 Dodge (including some photos). Naturally no D500 photo - because it was introduced mid-year. 3. Now I am looking for an original IBM build card for a 1956 Dodge. If you have one, could you scan it and post it so I can figure out the unreadable parts of the microfiche version of mine. Edited by 56D500boy 2017-02-03 4:41 PM (DForgiedFCAHistoricalCoverLetter_Redacted.jpg) (DForgiedFCAHistorical42616006Info_Redacted.jpg) (DForgies56D500BuildCard_trimmed_small.jpg) Attachments ----------------  DForgiedFCAHistoricalCoverLetter_Redacted.jpg (174KB - 208 downloads) DForgiedFCAHistorical42616006Info_Redacted.jpg (140KB - 224 downloads) DForgies56D500BuildCard_trimmed_small.jpg (235KB - 224 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 56D500boy - 2017-02-03 4:38 PM On a related note: 1. I got the 24 page AMA Consolidated Specification "Questionnaire" 2. I also got a multipage photo copy of what looks like a dealer training brouchure with all the details about the 56 Dodge (including some photos). Naturally no D500 photo - because it was introduced mid-year. 3. Now I am looking for an original IBM build card for a 1956 Dodge. If you have one, could you scan it and post it so I can figure out the unreadable parts of the microfiche version of mine. 1. I just checked that 24 page AMA questionnaire closer. It's for the 1957 D-500s.    3. Apparently the LA build cards are different than the Detroit build cars. I would like to see a clear LA card. My word. Can't anybody do a job properly? | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 509 Location: Whetstone, Arizona | My 57 D500 was built in LA CA...i'll try to load the IBM card (IBM card.jpg) Attachments ---------------- IBM card.jpg (84KB - 189 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | arizona mopar gold - 2017-02-04 11:11 AM My 57 D500 was built in LA CA...i'll try to load the IBM card Thanks. Looks like the 57 LA cards are different than the 56 LA cards. Hmmm..... Even then, I would be nice to see a scan of a real build card not copys from the microfiche. (Whoever/whatever shot the microfiche films didn't know or care about focussing properly). | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | StillOutThere - 2017-02-04 11:47 AM There is no such thing as the original IBM cards were destroyed after they were put onto the fiche back in the day. The quality of the fiche tape is what is is as of the year of the build of the car. Nothing can be changed. You expect too much from 60 year old technology and employees doing their best with what was new tech at the time. Be glad the card for your car exists for your car, period. Some cards went missing before the tape was created. I was under the impression that the Chrysler product cars of this era came with an IBM build card tucked somewhere in the car, e.g. under the rear seat(tucked in the seat springs), under the front carpet or taped on top of the glove box. I have looked in all of those places in my car and found nothing. I therefore assumed that somebody else has previously found their build card and could possibly scan it and post the scan. You seem to want to make me feel guilty of being ungrateful. Not going to happen. The truth is I am very disappointed that nobody, presumably even yourself, can actually decode an IBM punch card accurately. All I am asking for at this point is a clear image of a 1956 LA build car so I can actually read the category list on the card. I am also disappointed that there are errors in my letter and I was sent 57 D500 AMA questionnaire document instead of the 1956 Dodge AMA questionnaire with D500 updates that I know exists. The only things I learned for my US$55 was the engine in my car is the original D500 that it left the plant with and that the delivery dealer was in E A Abbott in Anacortes WA. I learned nothing about the brake option and nothing about the lack of extra heavy duty suspension, which were the only two things that I really cared about. Not feeling guilty. Frustrated. Disappointed. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | I contacted Danielle over the weekend with VIN evidence that 3nn = Detroit and 4nn = Los Angeles and she responded when she got into work this morning. She corrected the error regarding the engine prefix and build plant. My car was indeed built in Los Angeles as I had suspected. I also provided her with photographic evidence as to what the 56 Custom Royal trim code = 541 meant. On the issue of the 57 Dodge AMA questionnaire instead of the 56 Dodge AMA questionnaire, she says that I was sent the 57 one by mistake. She also said they don't actually have a 56 Dodge AMA document. I know one exists, revised Feb.15, 1956 to include the D-500 info (see below). Perhaps somebody out there has this revised 56 Dodge AMA document and could make a copy and send it to her for the archives?  Edited by 56D500boy 2017-02-06 11:58 AM (56DodgeAMAQuestionnairePg1.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 56DodgeAMAQuestionnairePg1.JPG (151KB - 239 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9899 Location: Lower Mainland BC | soiouz - 2017-02-12 6:52 AM I do have complete copies of the AMA questionnaire for model years 1955 to 1959. I will contact Danielle and see if she wants scans. That would be great. At least contact her. We know she has the 57 Dodge document (because I got a copy by mistake) and I now know that she has the 56 Dodge because a) I sent her pdfs of info that I got from Wayne Graefen back in October that originated sever copy generations ago with Neil Vedder going to the library and making a copy of the 56 Dodge document and b) She is now going to get a first generation hard copy from Mark Bowden at the Detroit Library that I paid for. Wayne Graefen has been recently in contact with Mark regarding the 56 Dodge AMA document and Wayne shared the contact info with me. It costs $10 to get an copy of the document emailed to you. You pay by cheque (check, but not Czech) or credit card. The contact info is below also has a copy of the form you need to fill in, scan and attach to your email. (See below) I went through that the other day and got a first generation scanned pdf 56 Dodge AMA document (Feb.15, 1956 revision with the D500 info) the same day for my $10. Mark's contacts for purchasing the AMA documents is: Mark Bowden Coordinator - Special Collections Burton Historical Collection Detroit Public Library 5201 Woodward Ave. Detroit, MI 48202 313.481.1395 digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org "Mark Bowden" Right click on the image below, save, and print as 8.5 x 11. Edited by 56D500boy 2017-02-12 11:31 AM (DetroitPublicLibraryAMAinfoRequestForm.JPG) Attachments ---------------- DetroitPublicLibraryAMAinfoRequestForm.JPG (154KB - 202 downloads) | ||
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