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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-09 10:40 AM (#324908)
Subject: 1958 Fuel Injected Mopars



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I wanted to start a thread with photos of any 1958 Mopars with EFI. Since I became aware of this system years ago it has always been very fascinating with me. There's not many photos seen of these cars and fewer with underhood shots, though there are many on the Internet of White's Desoto taken in the past several years. So I'll start out and post some I have gotten off the net. Never have seen a photo of a Dodge with this option. Your welcome to post anymore you may have.



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StillOutThere
Posted 2012-06-09 11:22 AM (#324917 - in reply to #324908)
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Assorted photos of LC4 1525, formerly Bob Dupin's 300D.  Car was originally white.  EFI motor and parts were not installed in the car when I took these photos.

All photo credits Wayne Graefen, please.

Current ownership and location are not public info.  No, it is not in my barn.



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StillOutThere
Posted 2012-06-09 11:41 AM (#324919 - in reply to #324908)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injected Mopars



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If you are looking at the pics I posted and saying, "ummmm, there are two FI intake manifolds, 4 air cleaners...", YES, Bob owned two complete EFI units for 300Ds. One belonged to this car and the second was the Bendix auto show display unit which had the chromed perforated shielding pieces.
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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-09 12:46 PM (#324923 - in reply to #324908)
Subject: RE: 1958 Fuel Injected Mopars



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Thank you for posting these photos. I had seen some but not all. Now was Bob's 300D still a Fuelie when he found it? There's a couple photos of a Plymouth in an older Collectible Automobile that shows a Fuelie with the ignition shielding.
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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2012-06-09 1:17 PM (#324925 - in reply to #324923)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injected Mopars



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Were the chrome perforated wire shields standard on all fuel injected cars,or were they for the show display only?
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-06-09 1:52 PM (#324933 - in reply to #324917)
Subject: RE: 1958 Fuel Injected Mopars



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Have hard numbers ever been established for how many of these were built, broken down by make
or even body type ?
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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-09 2:17 PM (#324936 - in reply to #324933)
Subject: RE: 1958 Fuel Injected Mopars



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Doctor DeSoto - 2012-06-09 1:52 PM

Have hard numbers ever been established for how many of these were built, broken down by make
or even body type ?


According to a Bendix manual Tom White had, may have sold it with the car, documented that 16 300Ds, 12 D500s, 5 Desotos, and 2 Plymouth Furys had the option. But that doesn't count the lone Belvedere built with this option.
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StillOutThere
Posted 2012-06-09 2:33 PM (#324941 - in reply to #324908)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injected Mopars



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When Bob Dupin found that 300D it had a 300C race engine in it that Vicki Woods had driven at Daytona Beach Speed Trials. That was in the car when I saw it. Also, he received with the car the original 300D "matching number" motor but with the dual quad dealer retrofit. I don't recall the full story but he immediately started hunting the EFI and tracked it down. Then some years after that he found the Bendix show assembly.

Only the Bendix show unit had the chrome shielding according to Bob.

Gloria Moon of the 300 Int'l club claims there were 21 EFI 300Ds.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-06-09 3:08 PM (#324949 - in reply to #324941)
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I would sure like to know how my Fireflite came to have a F/I emblem in the trunk !
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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-09 3:20 PM (#324953 - in reply to #324949)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2012-06-09 3:08 PM

I would sure like to know how my Fireflite came to have a F/I emblem in the trunk !


That is interesting, I know your car was rusty, I guess you don't remember seeing a removable cover for fuel pump removal in the trunk floor.
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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2012-06-09 3:25 PM (#324955 - in reply to #324941)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injected Mopars



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StillOutThere - 2012-06-09 11:33 AM

When Bob Dupin found that 300D it had a 300C race engine in it that Vicki Woods had driven at Daytona Beach Speed Trials. That was in the car when I saw it. Also, he received with the car the original 300D "matching number" motor but with the dual quad dealer retrofit. I don't recall the full story but he immediately started hunting the EFI and tracked it down. Then some years after that he found the Bendix show assembly.

Only the Bendix show unit had the chrome shielding according to Bob.

Gloria Moon of the 300 Int'l club claims there were 21 EFI 300Ds.



Thanks for the information.Why do you suppose they didnt offer the perforated chrome shielding with the actual installations? I really like the look it lends to the setup and its functional,was it a cost cutting decision?
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-06-09 3:34 PM (#324956 - in reply to #324949)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injected Mopars



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There are photos of both a white and a gold Adventure coupes that were used on
the car show circuit in 58. Tom White's convertible accounts for a 3rd of the five said
to have been built. Here is another shot of the gold car.




(58 Desotos.jpg)



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-06-09 3:38 PM (#324958 - in reply to #324953)
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christine-lover - 2012-06-10 12:20 PM
That is interesting, I know your car was rusty, I guess you don't remember seeing a removable
cover for fuel pump removal in the trunk floor.


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I don't expect that my car was an F/I car. But somewhere, someone picked up an emblem !

There has to be a good story in there somewhere ! Just wish I knew !
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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-09 3:43 PM (#324960 - in reply to #324958)
Subject: Re: 1958 Fuel Injected Mopars



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Doctor DeSoto - 2012-06-09 3:38 PM

christine-lover - 2012-06-10 12:20 PM
That is interesting, I know your car was rusty, I guess you don't remember seeing a removable
cover for fuel pump removal in the trunk floor.


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I don't expect that my car was an F/I car. But somewhere, someone picked up an emblem !

There has to be a good story in there somewhere ! Just wish I knew ! :bleh:


It just seems odd that a past owner ended up with one of these emblems, just the base, as there wasn't many made to begin with. Can you tell if it was ever used? It would not be completely impossible if your car did have EFI.
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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2012-06-09 3:45 PM (#324961 - in reply to #324908)
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I still think thats one of the wildest looking emblems around!



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-06-09 3:54 PM (#324965 - in reply to #324960)
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christine-lover - 2012-06-10 12:43 PM
It just seems odd that a past owner ended up with one of these emblems, just the base, as there wasn't many made to begin with. Can you tell if it was ever used? It would not be completely impossible if your car did have EFI.


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Until recently, I did not know that the gas tank access was part of the F/I deal. I have yet to pull the old pan,
and the trunk is currently stuffed with parts.

Since this car has been confirmed as being a "corporate use" car by it's coding, who knows, maybe it did get
the fancy pants injection ?

This would be a mixed blessing, as finding such a system for re-installation ranks as probably the most impossible
challenge there is with finned Mopars !

I'd be happy just to put the emblems on it.
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ronbo97
Posted 2012-06-09 4:18 PM (#324967 - in reply to #324908)
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You're probably aware that Sherwood Kahlenberg has three EFI 300Ds.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-06-09 4:37 PM (#324972 - in reply to #324967)
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Hey kids ! .... collect the whole set !

Just like you "expect" an Imperial to have power seats and windows, the impact
of a 300 with performance goodies and fancy options is much less on me than it
would be on a similarly equipped Dodge. It is SO out of the ordinary !

F/I 300 = cool

F/I DeSoto, Dodge, or Plymouth = just plain awesome !

Not to knock an F/I 300, ANY F/I car is going to to be an outstanding rarity. A non-
300 would only be moreso in terms of original production and higher kill rate of the
lesser makes.
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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-09 6:33 PM (#324979 - in reply to #324967)
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ronbo97 - 2012-06-09 4:18 PM

You're probably aware that Sherwood Kahlenberg has three EFI 300Ds.

Ron


Yeah, didn't know the name but I had heard someone in CA had a couple. Doesn't he have a FI setup too.

There was a guy, can't remember his name, who was on the lookout for one of these 300s years ago, and in his search found the yard, Warhoops, where at least 4 GM showcars were sent to be destroyed.

There was a claim about a FI Dodge that was found in a gully, but nothing else has ever surfaced with that story.
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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-09 6:46 PM (#324981 - in reply to #324965)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2012-06-09 3:54 PM

christine-lover - 2012-06-10 12:43 PM
It just seems odd that a past owner ended up with one of these emblems, just the base, as there wasn't many made to begin with. Can you tell if it was ever used? It would not be completely impossible if your car did have EFI.


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Until recently, I did not know that the gas tank access was part of the F/I deal. I have yet to pull the old pan,
and the trunk is currently stuffed with parts.

Since this car has been confirmed as being a "corporate use" car by it's coding, who knows, maybe it did get
the fancy pants injection ?

This would be a mixed blessing, as finding such a system for re-installation ranks as probably the most impossible
challenge there is with finned Mopars !

I'd be happy just to put the emblems on it.


Yeah, it would probably be easier getting to the bottom of The Money Pit.

Yes, there was a gold X FI emblem on eBay recently. I was able to buy it and when I asked for more info on it to see what else the guy had, he said he found the emblem in a drawer at an estate sale in Michigan. The guy had worked for Chrysler, the seller didn't find any other FI parts.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-06-09 10:04 PM (#325004 - in reply to #324908)
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Nobody has yet posted that the car in the first photo is a Fuelie Belvedere (right?).




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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-09 11:31 PM (#325016 - in reply to #325004)
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d500neil - 2012-06-09 10:04 PM

Nobody has yet posted that the car in the first photo is a Fuelie Belvedere (right?).






I didn't but mentioned one was built.
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RDP
Posted 2012-06-10 3:29 AM (#325030 - in reply to #324908)
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another FI
This car was on ebay two years ago




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StillOutThere
Posted 2012-06-10 10:04 AM (#325046 - in reply to #324955)
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1960DesotoAdventurer - 2012-06-09 2:25 PM
StillOutThere - 2012-06-09 11:33 AM When Bob Dupin found that 300D it had a 300C race engine in it that Vicki Woods had driven at Daytona Beach Speed Trials. That was in the car when I saw it. Also, he received with the car the original 300D "matching number" motor but with the dual quad dealer retrofit. I don't recall the full story but he immediately started hunting the EFI and tracked it down. Then some years after that he found the Bendix show assembly. Only the Bendix show unit had the chrome shielding according to Bob. Gloria Moon of the 300 Int'l club claims there were 21 EFI 300Ds.
Thanks for the information.Why do you suppose they didnt offer the perforated chrome shielding with the actual installations? I really like the look it lends to the setup and its functional,was it a cost cutting decision?

I doubt Chrysler ever had any intention of any chrome pieces (shielding, air cleaners) on the production EFI system.  It was strictly done by Bendix for auto show promotion and press release photography.   

 

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StillOutThere
Posted 2012-06-10 10:13 AM (#325048 - in reply to #324908)
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Regarding the DeSoto fuel injection badge found in a trunk, or the fact there are numerous Chrysler 300 collectors who have NOS D-EFI badges on their shelves, Chrysler had full intention of the EFI systems in all their car lines being production available for the rest of the year.  So when they tooled up for the plastic medallions or fender badges, there would have been hundreds of them made.  Older 300 guys can tell you they recall when Chrysler Corp. still had medallions in their inventories at factory parts depots as well as a few miscellaneous parts for the systems. 

 Also attaching a pic of the trunk access cover to the EFI fuel pump in a 300D.





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Imp58Alpes
Posted 2012-06-10 1:59 PM (#325076 - in reply to #324908)
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An 1958 Adventurer.





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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-06-10 6:38 PM (#325103 - in reply to #325076)
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Yeah, ... there's the white car.

Anyone have a side shot of this scene showing a side shot of the big body convertible behind the Sweep ?

Maybe even a background shot from the Lincoln area ? It is possible that this was my car.
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2012-06-11 10:52 AM (#325165 - in reply to #324908)
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My dad told me alot of those got recalled way back in the day due to a problem with the fuel injection
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StillOutThere
Posted 2012-06-11 3:48 PM (#325198 - in reply to #325165)
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1961plymouthfury - 2012-06-11 9:52 AM My dad told me alot of those got recalled way back in the day due to a problem with the fuel injection

Yes, a whole lot of them.  In fact ALL of them were recalled and fitted with stock carburetion appropriate to the make and model.    All of the EFI equipment was supposed to go back to the factory.  Some of it got left on dealer shelves.  Some of it got stolen by dealer employees or through friends of theirs.  Those are the units and pieces that have been found.  Along with items that were still in the pipeline at Bendix.  And I'd guess there is more out there.

I did speak with a fellow once some 20 years ago who swore to me that he had found an EFI-equipped 300D in Hawaii, that the  car was extremely rusty, and that he took it to his mother's home there and parted it out.  Had a couple of follow-up conversations with him including meeting him in person to view a couple of FL cars he had for sale.  Everything else he said was honest enough and I have no reason to doubt him but he moved and I lost track of him.  He wasn't ready to sell the EFI motor when we had corresponded. 

Track those rumors guys;  there is gold at the end of some rainbows.

 

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-06-11 3:55 PM (#325200 - in reply to #325198)
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StillOutThere - 2012-06-12 12:48 PM
Track those rumors guys;  there is gold at the end of some rainbows.


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Wayne,

I want to get hooked up with YOUR rumor mill. Mine only seems to produce guys who swear
they parted out a six cylinder 55 Plaza !
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big m
Posted 2012-06-11 8:20 PM (#325233 - in reply to #324908)
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I still have the documented 300 D EFI coupe that I bought in 2005. Rough condition, but have been collecting parts for it the last seven years. It has the crooked oil fill neck, and the removable fuel pump access cover in the trunk, as well as a portion of one of the EFI badges. All other EFI equipment is missing, due to the recall.

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muddy
Posted 2012-06-11 8:31 PM (#325238 - in reply to #324908)
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WOW!!
Even propper MOPAR's (Plymouth) had Fuel Injection!!...I can't believe it!!
So i take it there is documented evidence of 2 x '58 Furys AND a Belverdere running 318's or 350 GC's???
Do they have the same or different F/I badge work,do they still survive?
I'm blown away...i'd never heard this until this morning.

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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-11 9:10 PM (#325240 - in reply to #325238)
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muddy - 2012-06-11 8:31 PM

WOW!!
Even propper MOPAR's (Plymouth) had Fuel Injection!!...I can't believe it!!
So i take it there is documented evidence of 2 x '58 Furys AND a Belverdere running 318's or 350 GC's???
Do they have the same or different F/I badge work,do they still survive?
I'm blown away...i'd never heard this until this morning.



Same emblem. The FI Plymouths are not known to exist, there is a story that a FI Fury got wrecked very early on shortly after delivery. They used 350s, that setup was same as 361s for Dodge and Desoto. There is a story about the FI Belvedere in the archives. The guy drive it 100k miles with the injection set up still in the car but removed it later on. Guess it escaped the recall.
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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-11 10:25 PM (#325250 - in reply to #324908)
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Here's the photos of a system in a 1958 Fury from an April 1986 issue of Collectible Automobile.



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Posted 2012-06-12 11:40 PM (#325388 - in reply to #324908)
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An EFI Chrysler 300-D would be my ultimate barn find. Would love to own one and restore it to the level that Tom White did with his DeSoto Adventurer convertible. I would spend the time and money it would take to re-engineer the setup so it would work on the car. I think it is sad that no one has done that yet with a 300. I was so happy to see that Tom went that extra mile to get all the right pieces and make his work.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-06-12 11:48 PM (#325390 - in reply to #325388)
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Agreed. Being as "legendary" as the EFI was, I would love to have the chance to drive White's car
to compare performance to a similar well built carburated car. Given how many of the D's survive, I
wonder why none are running with the EFI ? Especially since White's car blazed the trail on how to make
the system work.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-06-12 11:59 PM (#325392 - in reply to #324908)
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The EFI's were recalled, because of their intermittent operation.

Most-all owners were glad to hand-in their defectively operating EFI systems, for carbureted replacements.

Turns out, thanks to modern research (and trial-and-error) by White, that the capacitors(?) were paper-wrapped, then, and
susceptible to electronic interference....the modern ceramic enclosed Gizmochies eliminated the sporadic operation
(-this, from my general recollection of the situation)...





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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-06-13 12:15 AM (#325397 - in reply to #325392)
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That is what White explained to me. This was before he had even started the restoration
of that car. But he was speculating that the problem was with the shielding of the electronics
from external interference. I think he said this as well, but I heard from others old enough
to remember these, that the then-common large neon signs along roadways (amongst other
things) would simply shut the system down. Nothing sours a person on a "good idea" faster
than it leaving them stranded over and over.

White said he had some background in such electronics and thought he could fix the issues
and make it operate without problems. Apparently that worked out.

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d500neil
Posted 2012-06-13 12:33 AM (#325402 - in reply to #324908)
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..I remember "traffic lights" as causing the cars to stumble/stall.



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Posted 2012-06-13 10:37 AM (#325422 - in reply to #325390)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2012-06-12 10:48 PM  SNIP   Given how many of the D's survive, I wonder why none are running with the EFI ? Especially since White's car blazed the trail on how to make the system work.

 Really rather simple:  they don't have the original EFI parts

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Posted 2012-06-13 11:13 AM (#325431 - in reply to #325422)
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It sounds like, at the very least, Bob Lupin or whomever bought Lupin's car / parts has the capability to restore one or more EFI 300Ds - unless some of those parts made there way into the Adventurer convertible. The question is why that hasn't happened yet, since White so kindly wrote the book on how to accomplish the feat.

When talking about such an extreme rarity, I bet a lot of these stories are related. The person who "swore he had an EFI Plymouth" might just have sold his EFI setup to Lupin - and you see a picture of it in the trunk. Maybe.

Great thread Matt!

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Posted 2012-06-13 11:31 AM (#325432 - in reply to #325431)
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Lancer Mike - 2012-06-13 11:13 AM

It sounds like, at the very least, Bob Lupin or whomever bought Lupin's car / parts has the capability to restore one or more EFI 300Ds - unless some of those parts made there way into the Adventurer convertible. The question is why that hasn't happened yet, since White so kindly wrote the book on how to accomplish the feat.

When talking about such an extreme rarity, I bet a lot of these stories are related. The person who "swore he had an EFI Plymouth" might just have sold his EFI setup to Lupin - and you see a picture of it in the trunk. Maybe.

Great thread Matt!


Story goes White found his setup through a guy who over heard him talking at Hershey. Also, remember they made two different FI setups, one for B blocks (19 built?), one for Chrysler Hemis (16 built?).
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Posted 2012-06-13 12:20 PM (#325435 - in reply to #324908)
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Posted 2012-06-13 2:05 PM (#325441 - in reply to #325435)
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Searching through my stuff, I found back the 1957 SAE paper explaining the Bendix Electrojector system.
I have uploaded it just for you ... Too big to attach it here.

http://soyeur.pagesperso-orange.fr/Mopar/SAE%20paper%20on%20Electro...


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Posted 2012-06-13 2:55 PM (#325448 - in reply to #324908)
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If I remember correctly Tom White told me his unit came out of someone's attic not far from where his Desoto was originally sold. It was probably that Desoto's original system. I think his car was originally sold in central Pennsylvania.......
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Posted 2012-06-13 3:57 PM (#325454 - in reply to #324908)
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Hi there, Tom Hoover, the godfather of the 426 Hemi and a founder of the Ramchargers, is a hero of mine. Partly because I own his old DeSoto, and partly because of his involvement with everything cool Chrysler. I often wonder if he parked his 1958 DeSoto with a prototype 392 fuel injected engine next to Virgil Exner's 1958 Belvedere convertible at Highland Park. In any case, he was one of the guys who tried to figure out how to adapt the Electrojector. Here is a quote of his, and a link to a fun article about the Electrojector and sudden acceleration. It also addresses the faraday shielding that folks have been commenting on. Based on how we now understand EM fields, the shielding wasn't sufficient.

“Bendix had been at the cutting edge of military aircraft fuel system design during the final phases of World War II. Ten years later, we were intending to release fuel injection for passenger cars. I was surprised that Bendix, the company that had engineered fuel injection for 18-cylinder B-29s, didn’t have more reliable electronic equipment ready for car applications.

“We soon bumped into what was called electromagnetic interference (EMI) while conducting calibration exercises to improve drivability. One day we were driving past the WJR radio transmitter— located in suburban Detroit and one of the most powerful broadcast towers in the country—when the engine suddenly flooded out and died. The radio waves so confused the Electrojector injection system that it began filling the engine’s oil sump with raw fuel.

“At that point we began madly shielding all the wiring associated with this system but that wasn’t enough. It really wasn’t what was needed to put the Electrojector system into ordinary passenger car service with regular customers driving around here, there, and everywhere.

“The second memorable experience I had with an experimental Electrojector system occurred in Highland Park at the entrance to Chrysler’s Engineering center. It was nearly quitting time and rush hour had begun on Oakland Avenue. A technician and I were hurrying back to the gate in a 1958 DeSoto sedan. When a break opened up in the traffic, I mashed the throttle wide open to take advantage of it. Unfortunately, the throttle linkage jammed. By the time I got the steering sorted and reached for the ignition key, we were on a collision course for a telephone pole next to the five-story engineering building’s entry door. I smashed the right-front fender there in front of God and everybody, which made me quite famous around engineering for several days."


Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1003_sudden_acceleration...


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Posted 2012-06-13 4:27 PM (#325461 - in reply to #324908)
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A picture of the space-age engine in Tom Hoover's '57 Plymouth convertible. It's a 392 with a hand fabricated intake. It's not injected-- a dual quad tunnel-ram system with each runner designed for peak horsepower at different RPMs. It was supposed to make it have a wide torque curve. This was his daily driver, but was also a demon on the track. A reminder that there may be other treasures out there, not accounted for by Chrysler Historical.



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Posted 2012-06-15 5:20 PM (#325731 - in reply to #325461)
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I've tried for the past four years to locate a set (four pieces) of the Googie-inspired emblem used on the Plymouth / Dodge / DeSoto. I have only come up empty. I'm surprised that so many people have the parts and just want to sit on them, but if anyone has some they would like to sell or would be willing to let me reproduce, I am definitely interested!
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Posted 2012-06-15 5:40 PM (#325735 - in reply to #324908)
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Brent will look seriously into getting these reproduced when he gets back to the US.
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Posted 2012-06-16 1:43 AM (#325807 - in reply to #325735)
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I spoke with the big dog at our local tech college before I left about their CNC specialty program
and how I might have these done. He was confident it was no big deal, but urged me to try and
locate a specimen of the chromed lettering piece to make shorter work of creating that piece. I
have the gold "star" piece in hand.

Having the actual part in hand for getting angles, crowns, and finished right would be much easier
than basing it off even good close up photos (which I have).

A deployment has largely stood in the way of following up on this, although I have continued to
casually follow leads on the needed part as they have come up.

Whatever happens, I will post updates to the project here as they develop.
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