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d500neil

Posted 2011-02-03 4:41 PM (#259443 - in reply to #258186)
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Does anyone happen to know what the number-identity of a clock light bulb is?

Superbright could not confirm which of their LED bulbs would fit our clock application.

They did say that we should buy a green LED if that bulb is going to be put behind a turn signal.

Also, they recommended a different bulb, from above, for a dash gauge application: BA9S-WHP9 .

Their green LED, for a turn signal, is BA9S-G4.

I'll probably order some bulbs from them after I figure out which of their LED's will be the best one for (bright!)
clock illumination.

Edited by d500neil 2011-02-03 4:42 PM

61plymy

Posted 2011-02-03 5:38 PM (#259451 - in reply to #258186)
Subject: Re: Neils, LED Light Conversion

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Neil,

Different year, but the '61 clock used part number 152 240 bulb.

Chrysler and Desoto used this same bulb for the Push Button lamp, and Chrysler and Imperial both used it also for the turn signal indicator lamp in '61.

Can't say on earlier years. No books.

Mike

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Posted 2011-02-03 5:41 PM (#259452 - in reply to #259451)
Subject: Re: Neils, LED Light Conversion

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Mike, that number may be correctamundo!

I saw that number in my 55-58 Parts book, but thought that that number was some sort of MoPar(-only) number
and not an actual light bulb size/type number.

Thanks!

61plymy

Posted 2011-02-03 5:45 PM (#259453 - in reply to #258186)
Subject: Re: Neils, LED Light Conversion

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Neil, I think it IS a Mopar Number. I'm looking in the cross reference to see if I can cross to the manf number.

Mike

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Posted 2011-02-03 5:55 PM (#259455 - in reply to #258186)
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Neil,

Collectors auto supply shows it as an 1816 bulb. So use that number for your search.

Mike

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Posted 2011-02-03 6:05 PM (#259458 - in reply to #258186)
Subject: Re: Neils, LED Light Conversion

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BA9S on Super Bright page

http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispP...

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Posted 2011-02-03 6:20 PM (#259462 - in reply to #259458)
Subject: Re: Neils, LED Light Conversion

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Mike: muchass GRASS!

Hie, to the parts store.....

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Posted 2011-02-03 6:35 PM (#259465 - in reply to #258186)
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Be cautioned, Superbrightleds is accustomed to selling dash lights to the Honda crowd and those won't fit a classic. I have them in my import and like them. Really bright white.

d500neil

Posted 2011-02-03 6:46 PM (#259466 - in reply to #258186)
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..I'm back.....the parts shop produced an 1816 bulb, which I said seemed to resemble my recollection of the clock
bulb, but, OBTW, could they see if 152-240 might cross-reference, in their confuser, with any (other-) bulb, and
they said that 152-240 DID reference to the 1816 bulb.

So, now, I know what to try to get from Superbright; I just need to get a REALLY bright bulb from them, as the 1816
does not produce much illumination, due to its insertion location, in/at the back of the clock.

d500neil

Posted 2011-02-03 7:43 PM (#259471 - in reply to #259466)
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I also should probably get a set of the green dash-bulbs, too, just to see what their effect would be, compared to the
white dash bulbs.

Think that I'll leave my custom-made turn signal LED's 'alone', though, even tho I'll probably buy Superbright's turn
signal bulbs, too, just to have them, on hand.

1959Dodge

Posted 2011-02-03 7:48 PM (#259472 - in reply to #258186)
Subject: Re: Neils, LED Light Conversion

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If it has a green diffuse in the clock then the green led would be the brightest. A green LED emits 100% green light, whilst a white LED only emits a small amount of green. Just like for the tail lights You have red lens use red LED.
For your turn signals, based on my experience, the white LED I recommended to you was plenty bright as mine shows up very
nicely even in broad daylight and with the top down.

Gary

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Posted 2011-02-03 7:54 PM (#259475 - in reply to #259472)
Subject: Re: Neils, LED Light Conversion

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The clock light definitely has to be white! I wasn't even considering green lights for the dash-gauges; just
green lights for the separate speedometer housing's three bulbs.

The high-beam indicator is very bright as-is; dunno if I'll get a (white-) LED bulb for it, too.

I'm very pleased with the (Gary's) LED turn signal lighting system....that's why I'm planning on leaving them installed.

Edited by d500neil 2011-02-03 8:02 PM

1959Dodge

Posted 2011-02-03 10:24 PM (#259494 - in reply to #258186)
Subject: Re: Neils, LED Light Conversion

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If you decide to do high beam indicator a red led would be best there. A white led might be dimmer than your current bulb.

Gary

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Posted 2011-02-07 7:42 PM (#260055 - in reply to #258186)
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My hi-beam indicator glows brightly.

But, the news, today, is that I've bought three dash-lights (in green; @ $9.95 each) and two clock bulbs (dunno which
one will be better) @ $1.98 each, and two green turn signal bulbs (just-to-have-them-on-hand) @ $2.98 each.

When they arrive and I've checked them out, I'll provide pics & P/N's for y'all.

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Posted 2011-02-07 10:03 PM (#260085 - in reply to #260055)
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Where is the best place to purchase the duct tape to complete my install?

Is there a certain brand I should use or are they all made equal. I have not be able to locate any NOS tape so I assume this is a repop item.

61plymy

Posted 2011-02-08 4:07 PM (#260197 - in reply to #260085)
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60 Plymouth - 2011-02-07 7:03 PM Where is the best place to purchase the duct tape to complete my install? Is there a certain brand I should use or are they all made equal. I have not be able to locate any NOS tape so I assume this is a repop item.

LOLOLOL!!!

Don't push too much harder on your tongue or you'll puncture your cheek!! Good one!!

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Posted 2011-02-18 5:25 PM (#261509 - in reply to #259443)
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OK, time for an update... the first pic shows the dash display with
the OEM-style incandescent dash bulbs glowing away.

Although it is not apparent, the clock bulb does illuminate its face
but, the digital camera does not reveal its (slight-) illumination, and,
the dash and gauge bulb's illumination is considerably brighter than
this photo would imply.

The next two pics show the Superbright LED's which were
recommended to me by their very helpful Customer Support people.

The two upper bulbs are 180-degree and 120-degree versions of the
same bulb. I've only tried installing the 180-guy, as it would provide the
better overall light dispersion, but I bought both of them as a precaution.

The bulbs, at the lower-right are green turn-signal LED's, which I bought
'just-because' I was placing my order, and these bulbs are not very pricey.

Superbright's turn-signal LED's are obviously a non-brainer-easier to
install than Gary Johnson's LED-protocol, at the top of this thread,
but I am very pleased with 'Gary's' system, and intend to keep them in the
dash.

The third photo shows the 180-degree clock bulb, and the dash-LED's
out of their packaging.

The dash LED's are about 1 3/8" long, overall.

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Posted 2011-02-18 5:26 PM (#261510 - in reply to #261509)
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The first-of-the-next three photos show a dash LED and the
clock LED all set to be test-fitted to the back of the dash.

The clock bulb fit fine, but, the dash-bulb bottomed-out against
the inside of the concavity of the speedometer head's green-plastic
colorization disc. It physically will not fit into a non-modified 57-58
Dodge speedo housing (and, probably, into other years/makes of
MoPars).

The third pic shows a spare speedometer head, which happens to
have had its center green-disc be cannibalized previously.

The outer two orifices are for the turn signal bulbs, and their
colorization discs are located at the front of the speedo housing,
so that the installation of a long-LED for them is a non-issue.

Although I am not going to pop-out the three plastic colorization
discs on this speedo housing, you can see that their removal, to
accommodate a long (green-colored-) LED, would not be a
problem.

Then, I had to wait until nightfall to see how the LED clock bulb
'worked'.

Unfortunately, the clock LED did NOT provide any additional
illumination, compared to the OEM-incandescent bulb, and did
not photograph that similar-result.

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Posted 2011-02-18 5:28 PM (#261511 - in reply to #261510)
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So, I re-called Superbright, and told them about the
fitment issue with the Speedo-head LED's, and the same-
illumination with their 180-degree clock LED.

The nice man suggested that I buy some shorter LED's
for the speedo head (done--to be continued), and, that I
try fitting and using one of the three dash-LED's in the clock.

I was dubious about the physical room inside the clock for
that bulb, but, said that I would pull out the speedo head (to
gain access to the clock) and try to fit that big-dog-bulb.

The first pic shows the clock-LED (-now), all set to be
test-fitted.

It's a TIGHT fit, but the bulb does fit.

Had to Wait Until Dark, again, to see the result of installing
that guy, but, that bulb DOES significantly illuminate the clock!

Not as brightly as the gauges are illuminated by their OEM-
incandescents, but VERY acceptably brighter, now.

Again, all of the instrument lights are a lot brighter than they
appear in these digital images---but, the camera could NOT
even capture an image from the clock, above, with its OEM
incandescent bulb being installed.

So, this experiment will end upon the arrival of the new-shorter
dash LED's, but, for anyone planning to overhaul a 57-58 speedo
head (or, another model MoPar), it would be relatively very
easy to pop-out/off the colorization discs to accommodate the
long-length of these green-colored LED's

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Posted 2011-02-18 6:15 PM (#261517 - in reply to #258186)
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Clive

Well done and very informative

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Posted 2011-02-18 6:52 PM (#261522 - in reply to #261517)
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In the 4th paragraph, of my (Clive's) FIRST posting, I should have said that those 180-degree, and 120-degree, bulbs
are the "CLOCK-bulbs" that Superbright had recommended to me.

d500neil

Posted 2011-02-18 6:58 PM (#261523 - in reply to #258186)
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And, in the first paragraph, of Clive's second post, above (for me), I should have said that the first-TWO photos show
the clock-LED, and the speedometer-LED, ready to be test-fitted into the dash panel.

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Posted 2011-02-26 6:22 PM (#262656 - in reply to #261517)
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ttotired - 2011-02-18 11:15 PM

Clive

Well done and very informative

Mick

Hey Mick,,
Neil deserves all credit, I am only posting on his behalf the PICs..

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Posted 2011-02-26 6:22 PM (#262658 - in reply to #261523)
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POSTED FOR NEIL D500

Alright; coming down the homestretch, here.

As you can see, I bought one of Superbright's newly-
recommended smaller (green-) LED's: BA9S-G4-90-12v, which
is about 1" in overall length, for trial-fitment in the speedometer housing.

Installed it into the far-right side of the speedo housing's 3-bulbs, and
waited until dark....

And, it IS noticibly brighter than the two adjacent OEM-incandescents
in the speedo housing.

I'd FORGOTTEN that I'd already bought two of the BA9S-G4-12v LED's
(above-) because Superbright had previously recommended them to me
for use in a turn-signal application, and, as I had not removed them from
their bag, I'd forgotten about having them.

BUT: the two still-bagged BA9S-G4-12v LED's are 32-degree angle units,
and not the 90-degree angle that the 'new' BA9-S-G4-90-12v.... is (hence
the "90" in its P/N).

So, I've now I find that I have all three of the needed BA9S-G4's, altho
two
of them are 32-degree guys and the other one is a 90-degree boy.

I'll simply install the two 32-degree LED's outboard of the 90-degree LED
and live with the results (or not).

Both versions of the BA9S-G4 have the same intensity (IIRC) and if/when
they're installed behind the speedo housing's concave green plastic
light-diffusers
it probably makes no difference whether they are 32-degree or 90-degree
dispersion.

The BA9S-G4's only cost $2.98 each, and, they can also be installed behind
instrument-gauges as well as behind turn-signals, but Horrie's
incandescent gauges
(and Gary's LED turn signals, above) are perfectly fine, so those guys
will remain
in status-quo...

The big-dog 1 3/8" long BA9S-GHP9 (high-power LED, above) can be used to
illuminate a clock dial, as the dials are only very-indirectly lit by
their bulbs, and
they need as much candlepower as possible, behind them.

The BA9S-GHP9 cost $9.98 each; I've got two-spare of them, now.

PM me a check for $9.00 and that'll include mailing costs to you (in the
U.S.).

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d500neil

Posted 2011-02-26 8:00 PM (#262669 - in reply to #262658)
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Thanks, Clive!

In the above pic, again, you are looking at the effect of the one BA9S-G4-90-12v LED that is installed over
by the "90-110" area of the speedo housing, with the middle, and the "20-30" areas, being illuminated by
the incandescent bulbs.

The eye-ball visibility of this area is a lot more evident than this digital image would suggest.

sermey

Posted 2011-02-27 5:52 AM (#262689 - in reply to #259443)
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I wanted to replace the front parking bulbs by LEDs, for the bulbs shine yellow in comparison to the white halogen headlights. All LEDs I got and tested have been less bright then the standard bulbs. Does anyone found a usefull replacement for them?

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Posted 2011-02-27 6:22 AM (#262691 - in reply to #259132)
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I have read all the tech above, but missed the part about why one would do such
a conversion in the first place.

What is the point of going to all that trouble ?

I am not arguing against it. I got a big box of new dash bulbs saved from 25 years
ago that will likely last me the rest of my life. Are these bulbs hard to get now ? Is
there some big advantage to using LED ? I am putting LED headlights in my truck when
I get home ... same thing as we have in the MRAPs and other tactical vehicles.
Outstanding light for that use, but dash lights in our vintage cars ? What's the point ?

sermey

Posted 2011-02-27 7:22 AM (#262697 - in reply to #262691)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-02-27 12:22 PM I have read all the tech above, but missed the part about why one would do such a conversion in the first place. What is the point of going to all that trouble ? . . .

Yes, you are absolutely right! This is just for some "crazy" people like me, who wants have all a little bit "nicer" then the average. In this matter: a full bright "glowing" STOP-Lamp, a full white Parking Light not as in Pic below.

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Posted 2011-03-01 5:45 PM (#263047 - in reply to #262691)
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From NEIL D500

The Grand Finale!

And, We are DONE, with this research project.

The turn signals, the clock (despite how it looks
in the digital images), and the speedometer illumination
are considerably brighter than they had been, as compared
to their erstwhile incandescent bulbs.

To answer Doc's inquiry, if the initial post is re-read, Gary
Johnson had informed me of the increased illumination that
his vert's turn signals had obtained, after he had custom-
created an LED system for them.

I followed his protocols and illustrated my results, and am
VERY pleased with the results (...Doc).

Hank's subsequent suggestion about the availability of Super-
bright's LED's led me to investigate their usage and effectiveness
as compared to the OEM bulbs in the speedo housing and in the
clock applications.

I am also VERY happy about the increased illumination of the
clock dial, and am 'good' with the slightly better speedometer's
illumination.

The P/N's for Superbright's LED's which fit our applications are
shown on this thread, which did not exist anywhere around here,
previously.

Thank you very much!

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d500neil

Posted 2011-03-01 6:32 PM (#263056 - in reply to #263047)
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Thank you, again Clive!

Forgot to mention, above, that these three last pics show the Superbright 90-degree LED, in the center
position, which is flanked by the two Superbright 32-degree LED's, in the speedometer head.

The individual gauges still have their OEM incandescents installed, and, those are "Gary's" custom-LED's
flashing away on the turn signals.

LOL; I should be VERY happy about the increased illumination of the speedometer, too, compared to
the way its lighting was initially (not-)captured by the same camera, earlier, under the same total darkness
conditions.

Edited by d500neil 2011-03-01 6:44 PM

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Posted 2011-03-02 5:43 PM (#263195 - in reply to #263047)
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For a homogenious repartition of the light, and for directly appliying to the letters at minimum reflections, I mounted on the upper and lower face side of the speedometer glass, in height of the directional lamps, 2 + 2 green LEDs (10 years ago).

Taking the picture for comparison at full dark, and in about horizontal position, the upper chrome bezel mirrors the illuminated letters. - SERGE -

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