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Wayne C.
Posted 2010-12-22 7:41 AM (#254136)
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Hey fellows, has any of you ever used the spray on chrome on your cars pot metal pieces. If so, what do you think of it and could you recommend it as an alternative to the expensive traditional re chroming.

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57plymouth
Posted 2010-12-22 7:53 AM (#254137 - in reply to #254136)
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I've seen it, but I've never used it. It does not look exactly like chrome, but it is a fraction of the cost. For a car you drive a lot and not a trailer queen, it would be a great alternative. It is interesting to watch it applied! The tech paints it on, then washes the part with water. The guy that I saw doing it said it is twice the price of typical paint, but that is still much cheaper than chrome. I don't know how it holds up over time.
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Posted 2010-12-22 8:06 AM (#254138 - in reply to #254136)
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I think thats the one i saw where he painted a darth vader helmet, looked good when he finished but i wondered why his hands didnt get chromed as well? he wasnt carefull where he sprayed.

as for the pot metal, i guess if it had no pits it would be good otherwise it would look crappy

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345 DeSoto
Posted 2010-12-22 8:50 AM (#254141 - in reply to #254136)
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Though not nearly as substantial as Chrome plating, it has it's advantages. It's basically the same as a base coat/clear coat type of finish...MUCH cheaper than refinishing and chroming, especially for pot metal. Which means that you can use bondo to fill pits, then finish with "spray Chrome". If care were used on the pieces they would probably last a long time...though not NEARLY as durable as Chrome...more like a paint finish...
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Wayne C.
Posted 2010-12-22 11:43 AM (#254154 - in reply to #254141)
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Thanks for the information guys. I think I'm going to give it a try . If it will last as long as clear coat, it should do me the rest of my time as the car will be stored indoors.

Wayne
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Posted 2010-12-22 3:38 PM (#254177 - in reply to #254154)
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I've also read that in most cases, it is better suitable for interior items, pieces that will not normally be exposed to the elements - I understand that it is less durable than regular automotive paint.

There's a provider of this service who maintains an interesting website: http://www.coatofchrome.com/
I'm not endorsing Coat of Chrome, just mentioning it here since it is pertinent to the thread.
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Wayne C.
Posted 2010-12-22 7:24 PM (#254202 - in reply to #254177)
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Thanks for the information John. I have sent them an email requesting info. I would like to find someone in the East Tennessee area that uses this process, but so far no luck.

Wayne
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Posted 2010-12-22 8:40 PM (#254216 - in reply to #254202)
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Unless sprayed and prepped by a PRO. this stuff looks like REALLY shiney "Chrome Aluminum" spray paint complete with orange peel...

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345 DeSoto
Posted 2010-12-22 10:28 PM (#254226 - in reply to #254136)
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This doesn't look like spray paint to me ...
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/segment/restoration-blog/spray-on-chr...

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Posted 2010-12-23 12:05 AM (#254235 - in reply to #254136)
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I just had a conversation with a local car guy, who has the time and $$$ to do high dollar restorations,( and does much of the work himself) but who also is an enthusiast who drives his cars all over. He also just happens to own a local powder coating shop - the shop where many around here, including myself, takes their old car parts and other items to be powder coated. I gave him the link to the Jay Leno video and he said he has looked into the process and it's not as good as they claim it to be. He is saying, in essence " if its not good enough for me, it's not good enough for my customers".

This is a link to his collection. He doesn't have any Forward Look cars YET... but I'm working on him. There are a number of Canadian only models pictured, and one Mercury he bought from Big-M. http://www.59ford.com/carfriends/themountaintop.html






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chrysler300c
Posted 2010-12-23 12:42 AM (#254238 - in reply to #254235)
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It is a cheaper and much poorer substitute for the chrome finish that should be on a car... I would rather save my money up for the rear thing!

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Posted 2010-12-23 1:45 AM (#254251 - in reply to #254136)
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I have been interested in this process for some-time. And I have actually seen it. Looks very impressive. . Go to Spectra Chrome website and they will provide dealer listings . There may be one near you. I would have a professional do it altho Eastwood offers a kit for the do it yourselfers. . I think less than satisfactory on that.
I think I will have the "chrome" factory dash plastic done on my 64 Dodge. with this spray chrome.

Keep us informed . Anyone else have experience with it?......................MO
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Posted 2010-12-23 8:23 AM (#254264 - in reply to #254136)
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I'm sceptic, but then again it's a paint. I'll think that the instrument panel will be great with this product - to rechrome it will most probably cost a fortune!
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Posted 2010-12-23 1:58 PM (#254303 - in reply to #254238)
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chrysler300c - 2010-12-23 12:42 AM

It is a cheaper and much poorer substitute for the chrome finish that should be on a car... I would rather save my money up for the rear thing!

George


Well George, When you send parts out to get the "Real" chrome, you will be gettin' the "Rear Thing" allright..







I've seen this stuff up close and while it isn't anywhere near chrome plating, it is a poor mans substitute

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Posted 2010-12-23 2:49 PM (#254308 - in reply to #254303)
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Yeahbutt: if someone has a badly pitted piece of potmetal, as above mentioned, that guy could get to be repaired with
bondo, and then 'silvered', rather than have the re-chromer necessarily have to polish out the fine detail in/on that
piece.

Also, sending-out the piece to a PRO, like Chaney says, wouldn't be a big deal, either.

I'd give the process a 'shot', on small pieces or on tail light bezels, etc.



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ttotired
Posted 2010-12-23 6:51 PM (#254339 - in reply to #254136)
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I just watched the Jay Leno thing and it does look good and if you have a pot metal part that the chromers wont touch, then why not use it, lost nothing if it doesnt come out right.

When i first looked into it, I was thinking about doing plastic repo's of some badges ect as display things not really for cars but I got side tracked and sort of forgot about it.

I saw that you can get a small set up for about $2500.00 so if you wanted to try doing it yourself, you would want to be doing a lot.

I did wonder why you would need to spray it though as they just seem to drown the part with no real care, why cant you just dip it and save spraying stuff everywhere.

I would like to see a part done in this stuff

Mick
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Posted 2010-12-23 9:25 PM (#254353 - in reply to #254136)
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Ok
Just after much chasing around, found a guy that used to do it just down the road from me. He was doing it about 7 or 8 years
ago and had a lot of problems with adheasion and dis coloration after a couple of weeks. He told me that he didnt get much help
from the suppliers, they basically told him he was doing it wrong. He also told me the set up that he got cost him $40,000.00.
I dont know if the process has changed or got better since then, but at least the equipment has gotten cheaper. The only place
I found over this side of the world that does this is in Queensland (about 7000 km from me) and they didnt answer the phone.
I guess they are off for Christmas.

It would be hard for me to see a live demo of the process, but i did find someone in the US that will do it.
I have asked for the demo dvd, so will see what happens

Check out their web site and see what you think
http://www.sprayonchrome.com/Gallery.html

If someone decides to do it, I would love to know as If its good, I would like to do it over here as a little side line business

Thanks

Mick

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Posted 2010-12-23 11:47 PM (#254358 - in reply to #254202)
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Wayne C. - 2010-12-22 7:24 PM

Thanks for the information John. I have sent them an email requesting info. I would like to find someone in the East Tennessee area that uses this process, but so far no luck.

Wayne


Wayne, I think there's a guy in Morristown TN who offers this service...or something very similar. I've seen the results...not quite as good as chrome but not far off.
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Wayne C.
Posted 2010-12-24 8:06 AM (#254379 - in reply to #254136)
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For all of you that are interested in this process, I'm going to give it a try. I hope to find someone local in east Tn. that uses this process, but if I can't, I talked with a company the other day that said that if I wanted to I could prep the items myself, send the items to them and they would spray them for me. I have a deburring wheel on order and when I get it I'm going to prep a few items, send them off and see how they come back.

Thanks to all of you for your input, and I will let you know what I think after receiving the items back.

Wayne
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345 DeSoto
Posted 2010-12-24 8:36 AM (#254380 - in reply to #254136)
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All it is is appying a mirror to the outside of something, then applying a clear protective coat over it. I don't understand why someone would need to pay thosands of dollars to set this up. I would NOT use this for a bumper, wheels, or side trim, but I would try it on small pitted up pot metal trim pieces that are impossible to replace or would loose their detail having the pits polished out. Here's a video... http://angelgilding.com/Mirror_Videos.html#TinSilverGlass

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Posted 2011-01-10 6:20 PM (#256489 - in reply to #254136)
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I sent off for their promotion pac a while ago and it turned up yesterday

I havnt really looked at it all yet, but I was hopeing for a sample of something that had been done with it but the only shiney thing was the cd

I am not sure the method from 345 DeSoto is the same as it looks like you have to be carefull about how you leave the metal solution, should watch it again to see (saw it a while ago).

My use for it would just be for interior items and perhaps emblems, but as it seems to be like a paint, polishing the vehicle would need extra care around items done with this stuff so it dont wear away.

Hey Wayne
any news yet?

Mick
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Wayne C.
Posted 2011-01-10 7:53 PM (#256513 - in reply to #256489)
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I found a guy in Morristown Tn. (about 25 miles from my home)that uses this system. I talked with him, and he agreed to let me prep the items and bring them to him for spraying. He said he would not guarantee the work because he did not do the prep work, and he wanted to Waite for the weather to warm up some before spraying them. I have two mirrors and the hood ornament prepped and ready to take to him when the weather breaks. I'll post the results when I get them back. I also talked with a neighbor that used this person and he was pleased with the results, and he told me that his uncle had some of his stuff sprayed and he was pleased with the results.
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Posted 2011-01-11 12:25 AM (#256555 - in reply to #254136)
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Good stuff, Keep us posted

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Posted 2011-01-11 6:13 PM (#256623 - in reply to #254136)
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Several years ago I bought a set of interior garnish pieces off E-bay that were advertised as rechromed. Upon receiving them, I noticed it was some kind of paint process, as there was a spray 'texture' on it, although it looked quite a bit like chrome. I figured I'd use them anyways, as they did look quite nice. Several months down the road, they began to turn a dull grey at the edges, and within a year the color was almost purple!

I do not know if the process used was Spectra-Chrome, but I was not pleased with the product. I sent my original cores to my plater and got them done properly this time. Until someone has had lasting results with these products, I, personally, will shy away from them.

---John
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Posted 2011-01-11 6:49 PM (#256628 - in reply to #254136)
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I think thats the whole thing about it John, I was hopeing they would send me something, even just a plastic square or whatever and I was going to put it on the roof of my house and see what happened. I will at some stage be trying to make the plastic part that goes around the gauges in the dash, as it looks like that is hard to get and very fragile but I dont want to get it plated because I will probably make it out of fibreglass or something. Dont think it would stand up to the riggors of plating.

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Posted 2011-01-11 9:09 PM (#256665 - in reply to #256628)
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Wayne, Drop me a PM sometime and let's swap phone numbers. I have been thinking about doing this for some small stuff and on some Harley parts. Maybe we could partner up of a system and both get some use out of it.
I fool with these old cars, you might have seen my thread in the vendor section "Let me build your Christine or Forward look car" I might not be a "PRO" but I'm a pretty fair hand.
My shop is just over in Sneedville. (Cool Branch rd right in front of War Creek church)

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Posted 2011-01-12 2:05 AM (#256692 - in reply to #254136)
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I wonder what the factory used. I have seen chrome plated plastic , and it has some " thickness" similar to chrome on steel. My 64 dodge project has a thin " chrome" finish around the guages etc. and it has worn or faded off down to the plastic color. It is not plating, but appears to be a coating or something like this spectra chrome without the clear urathane top coating. Anyone know how the factory did it?......................MO
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Posted 2011-01-12 7:25 AM (#256697 - in reply to #254136)
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Eactly what i have been thinking, the plastic dashes ect on the okd falcons ect over here ar not that strong and i think this stuff would be perfect.

A while ago i was looking at that hydrogen gas from water to run a car and the contraversy with this st uff is almost the same.

By the way, the hydrogen went nowhere, I couldnt get the circuit to work

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Posted 2011-01-12 7:27 AM (#256698 - in reply to #254136)
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Posted 2011-01-12 9:30 AM (#256710 - in reply to #256698)
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For lack of a better description Mo it's like foil. You can look at a process that model car builders use for it, I don't think this is have car makers did it but it might be an option.
I can't think of a name right off the top of my head but there are places that will restore plastic chrome.
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Posted 2011-01-12 10:49 AM (#256716 - in reply to #254136)
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Plastic is "chrome plated" using the vacuum depostition process where aluminum is "sputtered" onto the parts in a fairly strong vacuum.

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Posted 2011-01-13 1:49 AM (#256800 - in reply to #256716)
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56Fanatic - 2011-01-12 9:49 AM

Plastic is "chrome plated" using the vacuum depostition process where aluminum is "sputtered" onto the parts in a fairly strong vacuum.

Loyd
Loyd, I'm not sure, but I think you are describing the thicker chrome surface that dash restorers use.

I am talking about the chrome dash like on 64-65-66 Chevelles. That stuff is thin and wears off. I have never seen one of these dashes that is original factory and still looks good...............................MO
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Posted 2011-01-13 12:54 PM (#256832 - in reply to #254136)
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From I've seen, there are two different systems on the market.

Alsa Corporation was the 1st on the scene several years ago. Apparently though their system was not standng up to outdoor use very well and was susceptible to peeling and had adhesion issues.

Spray On Chrome is a different system, although related to the Alsa system as far as the process is concerned.

Spray On Chrome has much better adhesion properties, has passed the standard tests for durability in the outdoors (salt tests etc) and reportedly looks much more like real chrome than the Alsa product. This is test by electronics on a reflectivity measurement.

Yeah, they are not chrome, but for a lot of folks it's a better alternative than paying big bucks for driver quality chrome and even bigger bucks for show quality chrome.

I tend to believe that if a guy like Leno or the show car guys think it's a decent product, it likely is. Can a guy do it himself? The Spray On Chrome folks do sell it in a spray can system (it takes a couple of different cans I think), but the best quality is going to come from using the spray guns they recommend (apparently they sell the entire system in a complete kit form).

A guy could buy the system, use it to complete his car, and sell it afterward to make some money back. One of the best uses is for rechroming the chromes plastic stuff that is normally done by vacuum deposition of vaporized aluminum such as the chrome on a lot of the plastic dash bezels etc. Remove the original stuff, polish the plastic to remove any light scrathes and such, mask it and shoot the base color; let dry and shoot the chrome layer,and follow with a clear coat.

Or send it to a vendor like Mr G's and have it done professionally with the original vacuum deposited aluminum. But it will cost you.

The thing is, it's an alternative. Both systems have made improvements to address the shortcomings and have come a long way.

None of the systems, actual chrome included, take care of the real problem with re-chroming; getting the original part cleaned of the copper and chrome without losing the original detail of the part. especially on pot metal pieces. But the painted systems are much more "pit friendly" than the electrolysis deposition chrome system.

In the end, as always, it's up to the guy who owns the car to decide what to do with the chrome stuff. This is just another alternative.

Mike
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Posted 2011-01-13 1:20 PM (#256836 - in reply to #254136)
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Good info, Mike.

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Posted 2011-01-14 1:46 AM (#256922 - in reply to #254136)
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There are probably different systems. The one I researched said that theirs was like the material that mirrors are made with and it was very important to spray liberally with certain kind of water- I think it said "ionized" then final step was to coat with a clear urathane.........................MO
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Posted 2011-01-14 4:49 PM (#256995 - in reply to #254136)
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All of the systems use deionized(distilled) water. No impurities, Mo. Grocery store sells it. The Spectra Chrome folks (also found under Spray on Chrome) have passed all the outdoor tests. I have never seen where the Alsa system has been subjected to the same test.

The adhesion test is where they do a crosshatch pattern with a knife, cutting all the way through the base coat, then putting tape down on it and peeling it back off. If the squares created by the crosshatch cutting come off, there isn't sufficient adhesion.

The Spectra Chrome system also lets you store premixed material for a while; less waste.

I'm still trying to find someone local that may be doing the Spectra Chrome jobs. No luck yet. Might be a worthy side business.

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Posted 2011-01-15 12:43 AM (#257041 - in reply to #254136)
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Thanks Mike --that is interesting. A couple of years ago when I first heard about spray on chrome ( and I believe it was the Spectra Chrome company in particular-and I think out of Florida) I looked it up on the internet. They showed the process and provided a dealership list. There is one not far from me in Kansas City. And they were looking for dealers to buy all the needed equipment and training. It was pricey and certainly not affordable for occasional use. Since then so many have jumped on the band wagon with all sorts of spray on chrome process, that it is hard to find the leaders in that process. and get no BS information......................MO
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Posted 2011-01-16 5:57 PM (#257234 - in reply to #254136)
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The biggest concern I have, overall, on the spray chrome paint is it's ability to withstand UV. The other version (Not Alsa) has a definite problem of yellowing and peeling.

To be truly a replacement alternative to real chrome, it needs to retain it's bluish black highlights over years in the sun, like real three layer chrome does.

Jury is still out.

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Wayne C.
Posted 2011-01-17 7:09 PM (#257349 - in reply to #254136)
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Well I have the items in the photograph below all packed up and ready to mail off tomorrow to have the sprayed with spectra chrome. They say I should have them back in 3-4 weeks after they receive them. I'll post photographs of the finished product and my thoughts of the quality when I get them back.



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Posted 2011-01-17 7:40 PM (#257353 - in reply to #257349)
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Wayne C. - 2011-01-17 6:09 PM

Well I have the items in the photograph below all packed up and ready to mail off tomorrow to have the sprayed with spectra chrome. They say I should have them back in 3-4 weeks after they receive them. I'll post photographs of the finished product and my thoughts of the quality when I get them back.
```````````````````````````````````` Is the name of the company actually Spectra Chrome - or a similar company? What city-state are you sending it to? Is the parts to the right interior or exterior? Did they tell you if it would have a UV protecting coating? I am reall interested in this for plastic parts in particular. Thanks .............MO
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Posted 2011-01-17 7:58 PM (#257357 - in reply to #254136)
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The parts are going to Class Glass & Performance Inc. Cumberland Md. Google the name and it will get you to there web sight. All the parts I am sending are exterior parts (mirrors and hood ornaments) As far as UV protection, the way I understand it is that they use a high quality auto clear coat over the chrome. In my way of thinking it would be as well protected as painted mirrors on today's cars.
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Posted 2011-01-17 8:06 PM (#257358 - in reply to #254136)
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Mo, their clear coat is the UV protecting coat as well. And the company name is Spectra Chrome.

Here's their site: http://www.sprayonchrome.com/index2.html
and here's their spec page: http://www.sprayonchrome.com/techdata.htm

Street Rodder magazine just did a spread on it for the rear tailight bezels on and old Plymouth as well.

http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/1101sr_spectra_chrome/index.htm...


I can find nothing on their web site about finding local folks using their system though. gonna have to email them for that I guess.

Mike
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MOPAR-TO-YA
Posted 2011-01-18 2:20 AM (#257377 - in reply to #254136)
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Mike--I don't care what everyone eles says---you ARE worth a hoot!------------Thanks I had lost their link.

Wayne, please let us know your first hand experience...................MO
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Posted 2011-01-18 3:00 AM (#257378 - in reply to #254136)
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Cant wait Wayne

Did you grind the chrome ect off?

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Wayne C.
Posted 2011-01-18 6:58 AM (#257382 - in reply to #254136)
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I used a sand blaster to remove the chrome plating down to the copper, filled the pits with bondo then primed the metal with etching primer and then a few coats of catalyzed primer. I then sanded up to a 1000 grit.

Mo, I will let you know and post pic. when the items return.
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Posted 2011-01-18 7:37 AM (#257384 - in reply to #254136)
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Thanks Wayne

Taking it all in

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Posted 2011-01-18 11:27 AM (#257397 - in reply to #254136)
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Wayne. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of what you get back. Did they give you a cost estimate?
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Posted 2011-01-18 12:06 PM (#257399 - in reply to #257397)
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Greg, they gave a ball park est. of $200.00 for the 4 pcs. with me doing the prep work. I don't know what they would want with them doing the prep. I checked with another company and they wanted 325 each with them doing everything.
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Posted 2011-01-18 4:56 PM (#257429 - in reply to #254136)
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It would have been interesting to get a comparison bid on re-chrome.
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Posted 2011-01-18 6:09 PM (#257440 - in reply to #254136)
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Last time I priced up chrome, I think it would have been $200 for each piece

Mick
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