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Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220692706845 1957 Dodge Coronet 2 door post; radio/heater delete; D-501 engine #21 of 101; 354 hemi, dual four barrel WCFB carbs; solid lifters, 10:1 compression, three speed torque flite transmission, 354 rear end gears, 12 inch brakes, heavy duty torsion bars, 23 gal gas tank, 15 inch wheels. Frame off restoration. Paint original, some spot painting, TOO MUCH TO LIST. Chrysler corporations answer to GM CHEVY Black Widow. Built originally for NASCAR but sold to dealers when Detroit pulled out of racing. Buyer responsible for pick up or shipping, will help load. Bank transfer or cash in person. Any questions call Louie at 530-304-7734.
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Location: The Mile High City | wow! |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | This is a clone; but an excellently-executed-one; a real D501 engine with, probably, the MANY other D501-
unique features on it, but it does not have the necessary 3-speed manual trannie in it.
This car does happen to have the correct body style (sedan) and interior (gold/black), but its IBM card (which
is in the tightly-guarded possession of researcher Darrell Davis)....confirms that the ORIGINAL car happened
to have been built in a BEAUTIFUL color scheme (not Coral/white) and with at least two nice/amazing options (among
other ones) on it!
Suffice it to say that this engine's original-car was not OEM built as one of the pure (stripper) race cars, but it WAS one of
the earlier-built 501's.
The 501's were NOT built in one dedicated production-run, as might be expected, but were built relatively
hap-hazardously or randomly.
But, this car probably had a relatively short service life.....
Louie (the seller) IS presently restoring the second-known surviving real D501 convertible, reuniting the car's engine with its wasted-body, but its OEM VIN plate still exists, and the correct IBM card copy on it has been obtained.
I was able to show him 100% how AG Back East should re-pop its P/T plate on it, to conform to the IBM card
and to re-create that car correctly.
The first-known real (apparently-) D501 vert was kind-of (not clearly detailed) featured in a 1991 issue of MoPar Collector's
Guide.
That car has not been exhibited-published since then, but it reportedly had been originally owned by a Corporate honcho, Sonny
Benson.
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O.K. , that being said, what are "we" gonna pay for this car ????
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Location: bishop, ca | Tough call...the tires should be the correct 7.60x15" guys---that's not giving 'anything' away---
It would look a lot meaner, with those skins on it.
Louie has listed many of the unique 501-parts that appear on this car (including the 23 gallon gas tank), but the "WORST" thing about it, is that it has an automatic transmission.
ALL 501's had manual transmissions installed in them,including the verts and the "luxo-501's"
After the factory had scheduled the production OF the "100-NASCAR-required".....(apparently, but not yet fully confirmed by Darrell Davis, is the fact that at least 102 [including prototypes] 501's were built)....but AFTER it determined that it was NOT interested in trying to field, or to accommodate a NASCAR racing effort----sometime after Kiekaeffer abandoned his NASCAR involvement----the factory decided to "load-up" the 501's so that they could be sold to the public as easily (and, as PROFITABLY, with a lot of options installed on them) as possible.
Louie's engine's original-sedan was semi-civilianized; a lot of other 501's had more options on them, E.G.: the 501 sedan that was found in WA and which was sold to 57 Heaven, before they 'traded' it to Ryan Newman's racing team...
THAT car had a rear window defroster and the tinted plastic sunvisors on it!
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I nominate you to get Louie to give us that info 
I like this car, but wonder if Louie is gonna want a zillion dollars for it . . . ?
I also wonder if one could make a clone for less than said zillion (less 501 engine cuz aint too many floatin round  ) ?
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Location: bishop, ca | There is (was-) at least one other 501 engine which was offered for sale, semi-recently, and IT (it turns out) was
OEM installed in a convertible.
It's not just the Zillion-bucks involved, but the shoe-leather and keyboard arthritis involved in accumulating all of
the unique parts/pieces that were put into a D501.
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Location: Seville, OH | I have talked to Louie about this car on several occasions. I am pretty sure the reserve is $50K+.
He doesn't show a trunk picture, so I don't know if he has the 501 emblem. I know he had talked about having one repopped. The last real 501 emblem I saw sell on eBay went for $1625 and that was a number of years ago.
I have some of the original components off of the 1021 engine. I didn't buy the whole thing because the block was damaged. In hindsight, I should have bought it because it was definitely repairable. Louie says the place that did it did a real nice job. Somewhere I have a picture of the block before it was repaired. Dave |
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Location: somerville mass | i'm confused -a d-500 yes but what the heck is a d 501? |
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Location: STL, MO | A limited run NASCAR contender, 300B engine,Truck valvecovers, HD everything, Stick only 57 Dodge. A very serious effort for the factory to cross makes on the engine to chassis.
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Location: bishop, ca | Yeah, a heavily modified 300B engine, with among other stuff, the 300D sodium filled exhaust valves, 300C carbs
and 4-bolt Dodge Truck exhaust manifolds.
The engine was a monster, but the very-weak link was its taxi-rated trannie, with tender synchros in it.
As far as its mechanicals are concerned, it has a HD radiator, the optional Taxi/Cop/Export T/bars, 1957 IMP front
suspension and the 1956 IMP 12" brakes and wheels. In back there are the 1957 Dodge Taxi/Cop/Export 7 leaf springs and a 23
gallon fuel tank.
The car was designed to be a King Kong Killer car, with more potential than the 315 c.i./295 HP engine that Kiekaeffer was able
to dial in so well, on short-tracks, in the 1956 NASCAR season.
NASCAR (technically, but not actually---see Chubbie & Farts' racing car production) required a 100 car homologation, for factory
available componentry, so Dodge, sometime before Kiekaeffer abandoned his NASCAR association, scheduled a 100 car production run of the D501 race cars.
After K. left, Dodge was apparently stuck with its 100 car production run (and no apparent interest in doing what the Corp later did, in 1964!), but Dodge was able to delay the run, until the latter part of March, even though three Prototype 501's appeared at the FEB NASCAR Speedweek festivities---and did poorly, as two of them were driven to Daytona Beach by "Men off of the street", (who happened to buy them from Dodge), according to Hot Rod's Speedweek's review-article.
The two men were not rank amateurs, but they did little to prep their entries, especially compared to Dodge's full-on factory support/sponsorship as occurred in their 56 Speedweek appearance.
One car finished 4th in the Flying Mile; the other finished 4th in the Standing Mile runs.
The third 501 (that nobody but me knows about) may have 'run' (as it was officially entered), but its results were not
published.
Virtually all (but, NOT every!) of the D501's that were built--hardtops, verts and sedans--were loaded-up by
Dodge, for physically attractive sales presentations, and their OEM options vary greatly. Some of the 501's were even,reportedly, given-out by Dodge as being 'rewards' to various dealerships for meeting sales goals.
Back-then, they were just-another-car, which were not easy or fun to drive around town, as a lot of them had both the 'standard' manual steering (required, by the physical size constraints of the standard manual trannie) and, some/a-lot of cars, had manual brakes, too.
BTW, the voluntary manufacturers' ("A.M.A") decision to stop providing (OFFICIAL) support to organized racing occurred on June 17, 1956, about 1/2 way into the 1957 NASCAR season, and it had NO effect on either the production of the 501's (such as it was-) or on the termination of the 501's production run.
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Location: Seville, OH | Kind of an aside, but were the Chrysler sodium filled exhaust valves as problematic as the 427Ford versions. My buddy dropped an exhaust valve on a freshly rebuilt medium riser (w/ new valves) while it was idling. All Ford guys know to ditch them immediately.
And as for engine components, the 501 also used the 300-C (392) intake and front accessories (water crossover, etc). When I first started to build my 501 clone, I naively bought a 300-B engine thinking that was easy. Then I slowly realized I would have been much better off starting with a 57 354 Poly. I can't even use the block, which BTW will be for sale shortly along with all the other 300-B engine stuff I couldn't use! And no I didn't pull the 300-B engine from a car. It was already long separated from it. I do have a small hope that that car still exists and the block can be reunited with it.
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Location: bishop, ca | Dunno about the reliability of the valves, but never heard/read about any issues with them.
The featured car in the 10/58 Rod & Custom had modified/lightened pushrods, but nothing was said about valve problems
which required any 'work'.
...and, 'they' say that the 501 ENGINE is the 'easy' part---only if you start-off....with a real engine!
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Location: STL, MO | 50K for a clone of a model with no racing success? That would be about right for a 864.990 or BO29 car but the parts to build one of those are alot higher than the 501. |
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Location: somerville mass | does anyone here own or know of someone owning a genuine d501, man? if so , let me know... |
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Location: bishop, ca | I do, and it's for sale (as everything else is, in the World).
If you've got considerable disposable income, please PM me and he/you can 'talk' about it.
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| Is the real D501 that is available a sedan? |
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Location: DFW, TX | I've never heard any service issue with hemi sodium filled valves. This us actually the first ive heard of them being used in an automotive application. They were widely used in Industrial engines as they absorb heat from the exhaust seat and transfer the heat to the oil instead of allowing the seat to burn up. Auto engines don't run under those high load long duration scenarios except, I suppose, a race engine.
They are shunned by performance builders because they have a huge, flow restricting stem size and they weigh quite a lot more than a standard valve, making rpm an issue. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | 57burb - 2010-11-12 7:30 PM
I've never heard any service issue with hemi sodium filled valves. This us actually the first ive heard of them being used in an automotive application. They were widely used in Industrial engines as they absorb heat from the exhaust seat and transfer the heat to the oil instead of allowing the seat to burn up. Auto engines don't run under those high load long duration scenarios except, I suppose, a race engine.
They are shunned by performance builders because they have a huge, flow restricting stem size and they weigh quite a lot more than a standard valve, making rpm an issue.
Interesting . . . Thanks for the info |
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| The auction has ended at $18,988 without meeting the reserve. |
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Location: Seville, OH | 57burb - 2010-11-12 4:30 PM
I've never heard any service issue with hemi sodium filled valves.
Ford used them in all their production 427 engines except the low-riser engine. The stems were no larger than then non-sodium filled valves. Somewhere I believe I read that the sodium over time changes the metallurgical properties of the valve material. Dave |
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Location: Seville, OH | hemidave - 2010-11-12 7:26 PM
The auction has ended at $18,988 without meeting the reserve.
Yes, well short of the reserve I think was on the auction. I think the descriptions vagueness about its clone status and the "TOO MUCH TO LIST" didn't help. If you are expecting someone to drop $50K, I think you should list all of the details. |
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Location: bishop, ca | ..ACTUALLY.........in Re: the "sodium-filled" D501 exhaust valves: I just happened to be re-reading the 10/58 Rod & Custom
(which has the only contemporary magazine review of a 501; and 'this' car was performance modified for serious drag
racing, by its then current owner----no performance results were published on it, however, dayuumn it)....but, the article's
author states that the valve stems WERE KNOWN to break, under hard acceleration, and that they had been replaced by the car's
owner!!!
The car's owner was able to lighten the valve-gear by 3.3 oz per valve/rocker/pushrod-ensemble.
So I stand corrected, about the D501's valve (stem) reliability.
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Location: bishop, ca | In the Q & A Louie confirms that he's concluding the restoration of his red/white 501 vert----got a bit of a cheap thrill,
there, because I was imagining that it was OEM all black, but, got out its IBM card and, yes: that convertible was
built in red/white, with a white top and gold/black interior.
Hope he sends it to the B-J....gotta go trounce that 57 Adventurer vert, that just sold for 310K....
BTW, Louie's vert had the standard manual trannie, and the required-by-the-trannie's-physical-size manual steering,
but it does have power brakes on it.
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1957 Dodge Coronet D501
