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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-12-03 9:57 PM (#298411 - in reply to #298384)
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When you start breaking it down like this, where do you stop ?

How about a 57 Dodge Royal sedan in monotone dark blue metallic, with dog dish
hubcaps, blackwall rayon tires, radio delete, full Solex glass, 3 speed stick, PS, but
manual brakes, power seat and windows, accessory group 3, all-vinyl interior, trunk
light, and tissue dispenser ? See how this can turn any car into lottery-type statistics ?


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Finsinthemirror
Posted 2011-12-03 10:19 PM (#298413 - in reply to #298411)
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I was just curious how rare the D500 (hemi motor optioned) cars were and amongst it approx how many sedans it wound up in. I've gathered through my reads/interactions on here the D500 is rather rare in and of itself but I'm curious how rare it is per body style. One would think it was far more likely to be ordered or offered in hardtops and convertibles or at least that seems to be what has primarily survived. I don't really care about the color/options because out of the tens-hundreds of thousands of cars they built and can configure there must not have been those kinds of numbers associated with the hemi engine option within the Dodge line.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-12-03 10:27 PM (#298414 - in reply to #298413)
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This discussion has been had before. Because of the intense interest in 57 Dodges in particular,
and thanks to the efforts of guys like Neil Vedder and Darrell Davis, a much clearer window is
known about this kind of ratio you ask about on 57 model year, and somewhat extrapolated out
over the 56 - 61 cars. Neil will likely see this soonly and give it his best.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-12-04 5:37 PM (#298503 - in reply to #298414)
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According to Jeffrey Godshall, there were

1957 D500 17,782 of 328,055 5.42%
1957 D501 101 of 143,321 (Coronet Eights) 0.70%
1958 D500 7,617 of 140,114 5.44%
1959 D500 4,822 of 156,385 3.08%

To go any further would require detailed access to Chrysler Historical records, which Darrell Davis has done for the D501s. We steered away from engine options in this thread because that naturally leads to transmission options and so on and so on.

You could spread those 17,782 D500s amongst the 328,055 1957 Dodges evenly or by some other method of mathematical distribution, but you would only measure expectations. I have monkeyed around with the possible D500 distribution numbers for 1958 Dodges - all of it is just conjecture.

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vedette
Posted 2011-12-04 6:43 PM (#298510 - in reply to #252127)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-12-06 2:20 PM

I have heard of Diplomats
I have heard of Adventurers

A Diplomat Adventurer?

Is that an Adventurer-Powered Diplomat?

I'd agree the one year only export specials 1959 DeSoto Diplomat Adventurer and Dodge Kingsway Lancer .



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RV2
Posted 2011-12-05 11:35 PM (#298721 - in reply to #247573)
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How about the 58 Plymouth silver special?
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-12-05 11:43 PM (#298724 - in reply to #298721)
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I don't think a separate record was kept on the Silver Special. It was lumped in with
the Plaza series cars. In spite of being a special edition car designed to pump sales. the
program was fairly successful and it seems quite a few were made. They show up
regularly in old photos from the late 50's and early 60's. Being an el Cheapo model, and
el Cheapos being so out of favor with car guys for so long - it has only been in the last 5
years or so that these bottom-end strippers have begun to get some respect - that many
of the survivors were chopped up for parts cars for the fancier models being restored.

Not many remain today, but I suspect 1000's were built.

Go Team Plaza !!!
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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2011-12-06 12:23 AM (#298731 - in reply to #247573)
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Doe anybody know how many 1960 DeSotos received the "power charge" cross ram setup?
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JT Vincent
Posted 2011-12-13 3:24 PM (#299590 - in reply to #247573)
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By the way, the Norseman is not far from my house, at the bottom of the sea. Might be cool to try and find it. It's not far from Woods Hole where they have all those little dive submarines. And I seem to recall someone was trying to make a replica.

Back on point, I still wonder about a customer ordered factory muscle car. Like a '58 Dodge or Plymouth with a fuelie B block, radio and heater delete, no back seat. The lightest and fastest thing you could order from Mother Mopar. I also like the idea of those test cars. Like the 61 Windsor with the 300 H drive line.

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-12-14 12:58 AM (#299641 - in reply to #299590)
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It would be interesting to find numbers for some of those specials like Coronados, LaFemme's, Darts, Sevilles, and Silver Specials. There were 1,163 Regal Lancers made - so they just missed the cut.

The export models are fascinating. I wonder if those numbers might have been lumped into the production numbers for Plymouth two door hardtops, etc.? If they are mixed in, they could probably be extracted - if we only had access to the files!

Godshall had access to the files for his article on '57 - '59 Swept Wing Dodges and he was able to determine exact numbers for each year's manual transmission, powerflite, torqueflite, power steering, power brakes, air conditioning, and swivel seats individually cross-referenced to either eight or six cylinder cars. Using his numbers, you could definitely say that a 1957 Coronet with a six-cylinder engine and power steering is rare with only 180 built!  However, the article does not divulge how many of the 7,175 club sedans, 10,483 sedans, or 20,499 Canadian/exports were so equipped and does not get into further combinations.

If anyone has additions for a strict combination of model and body style under 1,000 units - post 'em!



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-12-14 11:58 AM (#299669 - in reply to #282555)
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Here is the list we have so far:

RAREST FORWARDLOOK PASSENGER CARS BY MODEL AND BODY STYLE - NOT ENGINE OR OPTIONS 

1955 IMPERIAL - C70 : Crown 4-door sedan, 9-pass - 45
1956 IMPERIAL - C70* : Crown 4-door sedan, 9-pass - 51
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-S : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 82
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-P : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 97
1955 IMPERIAL - C70 : Crown 4-door limousine - 127
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-P : 300-E 2-door convertible - 140
1956 IMPERIAL - C70* : Crown 4-door limousine - 175
1958 CHRYSLER - LC4-H : 300-D 2-door convertible - 191
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-S : 300-F 2-door convertible - 248
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 283
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 286
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-M : Firedome 2-door convertible - 299
1957 DeSOTO - S26A : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 300
1960 DODGE - PD3-4/H : Dart Phoenix 4-door wagon - 320
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : 300-G 2-door convertible - 337
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-S : Adventurer 2-door hardtop - 350
1961 IMPERIAL - RY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 429
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 474
1957 CHRYSLER - C76 : 300-C 2-door convertible - 484
1958 IMPERIAL - LY-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 501
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 510
1961 DODGE - RD1-L : Polara 2-door convertible - 512
1958 DeSOTO - LS2-M : Firedome 2-door convertible - 519
1958 IMPERIAL - LY-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 538
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-P : 300-E 2-door hardtop 550
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible 555
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 556
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 576
1959 DeSOTO - MS2-L : Firesweep V8 2-door convertible - 596
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-P : Adventurer 2-door hardtop - 602
1958 CHRYSLER - LC4-H : 300-D 2-door hardtop - 618
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 618
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 622
1955 DeSOTO - S22 : Firedome 2-door convertible - 625
1956 DeSOTO - S23 : Firedome 2-door convertible - 646
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 666
1958 IMPERIAL - LY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 675
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 692
1958 DeSOTO - LS1-L : Firesweep 2-door convertible - 700
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon - 704
1955 DeSOTO - S21 : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 775
1961 IMPERIAL - RY1-L : Custom 2-door hardtop - 889
1957 IMPERIAL - IM1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 911
1961 DeSOTO - RS1-M : 2-door hardtop - 911
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon - 927
1955 CHRYSLER - C68 : New Yorker DeLuxe 2-door convertible - 946
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 2-door convertible - 961
1960 CHRYSLER- PC3-S : 300-F 2-door hardtop - 964
1959 DODGE - MD3-H : Custom Royal 2-door convertible - 984
1956 DeSOTO - S24 : Adventurer 2-door hardtop - 996
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 999

OTHER PRODUCTION RARITIES

1955 IMPERIAL - C69 : Custom 2-door convertible - 1
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 2-door convertible - 2
1960 DODGE - PD1-L : Matador 2-door sedan - 2

RAREST STATION WAGONS BY SEAT CONFIGURATION

1961 DODGE - RD3/4-L : Dart Seneca 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 68
1961 PLYMOUTH - RP1/2-L : Savoy 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 74
1960 DODGE - PD3-4/H : Dart Phoenix 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 122
1960 DODGE - PD3-4/H : Dart
Phoenix 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 198
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 271
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 318
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 428
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 433
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 444
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 564
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 609
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 624
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 671
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 676
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 751
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 760
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 775
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 791
1957 DeSOTO - S26 : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 837
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 862
1961 DODGE - RD1-L : Polara 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 908
1957 DeSOTO - S26 : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 934
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 992



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Chrycoman
Posted 2011-12-17 4:15 PM (#300071 - in reply to #299641)
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Lancer Mike - 2011-12-14 12:58 AM

It would be interesting to find numbers for some of those specials like Coronados, LaFemme's, Darts, Sevilles, and Silver Specials. There were 1,163 Regal Lancers made - so they just missed the cut.

The export models are fascinating. I wonder if those numbers might have been lumped into the production numbers for Plymouth two door hardtops, etc.? If they are mixed in, they could probably be extracted - if we only had access to the files!

Godshall had access to the files for his article on '57 - '59 Swept Wing Dodges and he was able to determine exact numbers for each year's manual transmission, powerflite, torqueflite, power steering, power brakes, air conditioning, and swivel seats individually cross-referenced to either eight or six cylinder cars. Using his numbers, you could definitely say that a 1957 Coronet with a six-cylinder engine and power steering is rare with only 180 built!  However, the article does not divulge how many of the 7,175 club sedans, 10,483 sedans, or 20,499 Canadian/exports were so equipped and does not get into further combinations.

If anyone has additions for a strict combination of model and body style under 1,000 units - post 'em!




Yes, all export DeSoto figures are included in Plymouth production numbers - they even used Plymouth serial numbers for1937 through 1959 and then Dodge Dart for 1960-61.

The export Dodge Kingsway had separate numbers up to 1950, which also included Canadian production. American-built 1951 to 1959 Kingsway production was also included with Plymouth numbers and serial numbers.

Somewhere 1957-59 Diplomat and Kingsway figures exist. Don Butler in "The Plymouth-DeSoto Story" was able to locate Diplomat Adventurer figures - 14 2-door hardtops and 8 convertibles. I suspect Kingsway Lancer figures are a little higher as the Kingsway usually sold more than the Diplomat in the 1957-59 era.

Chrysler Historical at one point included a sheet of production by body style figures. Members have shared Dodge and DeSoto for 1957 to 1960 and the sheets have a second number listed as "Export". Those export figures are really Canadian production. Too bad none seems to have a Plymouth sheet from 1957 to 1959 - would like to see how they handled the Diplomat/Kingsway/Canadian Dodge numbers.

I suspect those numbers were taken from a Chrysler publication done in 1962 - "Model Charts - Production by Body Styles". Would love to get my hands on a copy of that publication. Bet we could fill in a few hundred blank spots in body style production.

In the article on the 1957-59 Dodges, the 1957 D64 Coronet 6 is actually the D64 Kingsway 6 / Canadian Dodge 6. The 20,499 includes 15,076 6-cylinder Crusader, Regent, Mayfair and Kingsway models built in Canada as well as 5,423 Kingswy models built in the U.S. Similarly the D65 Coronet V8 is actually the D65 Kingsway V8 / Canadian Dodge V8. The 19,146 includes 16,826 V8 Crusader, Regent, Mayfair and Kingsway models built in Canada as well as 2,320 Kingsway and Mayfair convertible models built in the U.S.

The 1958 LE1 Coronet L-6 models are actually American-built LE1 Kingsway 6 while the LE2 V8 is for American-built Kingsway V8 models. Same goes for the 1959 Canada/export entries - both American-built Kingsway models - ME1 6 cylinder and ME2 V8 models. The LE2 and ME2 numbers also includes Mayfair convertibles and 3-seat station wagons for Canada.

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-12-21 6:38 PM (#300625 - in reply to #300071)
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Perhaps we should add 1956 Imperial convertibles under other production rarities?

http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/news/hobby-news/1956_imperial_convertible_comes_out_of_hiding
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austinsailor
Posted 2012-01-03 7:38 PM (#301992 - in reply to #247573)
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A short story about one of the 429 1961 Imperial convertables.

This pretty baby blue car was sold new at Boone County Motors, Columbia mo in 1961 to a travelling whiskey salesman. fall of 1963 I'm servicing it, an every other week event, with 89,000 miles on it. I walk into the showroom to hear the dealer telling a potiential customer about this Imperial conv he'll get in about a month with 18,000.

A month later the wiskey salesman's new car came in, he traded, we put in new carpet, pedel pads, new speedo and this 18,000 mile car went to it's new proud owner.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-01-06 2:55 PM (#302337 - in reply to #301992)
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wow! it sounds like the used car dealers really earned their bad reputation back then!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-01-17 2:00 PM (#304109 - in reply to #300625)
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Lancer Mike - 2011-12-21 4:38 PM

Perhaps we should add 1956 Imperial convertibles under other production rarities?

http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/news/hobby-news/1956_imperial_convertible_comes_out_of_hiding


Oops! Christine Lover answered this one on the previous page. Not a factory product.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-01-17 2:35 PM (#304118 - in reply to #247573)
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I don't know why Mike is so prejudiced (jealousy, apparently) about the 1957 Dodge Coronet D501 'race car' model,
which has its own unique model-body coding (not just some "TRM" coding, like a lot of the other cars have), unique
suspension/engine componentry, and there were only 102 (officially) of them built, in only three body styles: hardtop,
2-dr sedan, and convertibles.

If you want to split 'hares'....there were about 20 verts, 6 hardtops and around 76 sedans built.






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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-01-18 12:42 PM (#304261 - in reply to #304118)
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Hi, Neil. Well, if the D501 has a unique model and body code, it really should be on this list. However, my impression from the previous posts was that the Coronet model and body numbers were used for the D501s.

From the previous threads, I also did not include some very rare six-cylinder Plymouths and Dodges (for example, a 1958 Dodge Coronet six-cylinder two-door hardtop: total production 715) even though they actually do have unique model codes because that is a simple engine option. So, I am not trying to be prejudiced against the D501 or the D500-1, for that matter.

Tell me more about the model and body codes; what is the model and body code for a D501 sedan versus the model and body code for a Coronet sedan?

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-01-18 12:56 PM (#304262 - in reply to #255123)
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Chrycoman - 2010-12-30 8:51 PM
For years now I have been reading about how the D-501 was a separate line with unique BDY codes. Yet no one has actually mentioned the codes. So, to solve problem #2, below are the body styles for the Coronet and the D-501. If you could be so kind as to fill in the blanks we can end this discussion once and for all -

D66 : Coronet V8

2-door sedan - BDY : _____

4-door sedan - BDY : _____

2-door hardop - BDY : _____

4-door hardtop - BDY : _____

2-door convertible - BDY : _____


D501 : Coronet V8

2-door sedan - BDY : _____

2-door hardop - BDY : _____

2-door convertible - BDY : _____


Thank you.


Although a bit ashamed I have to reprint it, I think Bill makes a compelling argument relative to the topic of this thread: "Rarest FL Cars by Model and Body Style." I certainly agree that the D501 and D500-1 and 300F four-speed are very rare and very desirable - more desirable than many cars on this thread's list, but I just don't think they fit in with the original question - because, in fact, the D501 configuration (extensive as it was) was an option one could order within the Coronet line.

Neil, if the D501s are not coded D66 or they have different body codes than other Coronets - as you claim, please fill in the blanks and I will very happily add them to this list based on the numbers Darryl Davis has uncovered.

Otherwise, you can cover this "rare options" topic in a thread of your own.

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jboymechanic
Posted 2012-02-01 11:29 AM (#305969 - in reply to #247573)
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Dash One
Posted 2012-02-02 8:49 AM (#306097 - in reply to #247573)
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Hey Folks, Just want to chime in on this topic. The D500 was considered by Dodge to be a seperate model by their own definition in their own documents. They were creating a performance model much like future performance cars like the Road Runner or Super Bee these cars were based on cars that were produced and instead of obvious trim upgrades were given performance upgrades. The fact that you could not order a Coronet exactly like a D500 Coronet confirms this difference, furthermore the D500-1 and D501 were considered seperate as well. It is true some of the upgrades could be ordered on other models much like a Fury engine could be ordered on a lessor 57 Plymouth but to say that the Early D500 cars were not a seperate Model would directly contradict Dodges description of these cars. While a list of Rare models is compiled to ignore the manufacters intentions seems a major oversite. I think that especially in light of what small differences seperate some of the models in certain car lines a 56 D500 Coronet was a significantly differant car and likewise a D500-1 or D501 were very different cars than a Coronet. As time progressed models did loose their distinction like so many other models but intially to say these cars were not seperate is not accurate in my view. Several publications show the early D500 series as distinct models and unfortunatly as time has pasted it has been accepted to lump the early cars as engine options, if you need me to post the description from Dodge of the Model announcement I can. Dodge was different.

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-02-02 2:15 PM (#306128 - in reply to #306097)
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Howdy, Tim - thanks for chiming in on this. If you don't mind, please post the description. I am interested in putting the issue to rest. If we add them, that's fine, if we don't that's fine too. It seems like there is some genuine disagreement over this matter. Did the dash ones still carry the Coronet nameplate?
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Dash One
Posted 2012-02-02 6:58 PM (#306154 - in reply to #247573)
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Here is one of the final model year price bulletins for the 56 Dodge Models, Sorry for the quality. In 1956 the ONLY way to get a Hemi in a Dodge car was to order a D500 Model. In the Dodge documents it refers to the D500 Model as a D63-D500 and the Likewise they refered to the D500-1 as a D63-D501, that is why my ebay handle for over ten years has been 1956D501 because Dodge refers in its factory bulletins to these "Ultra Performance Cars" as "Model D63-D501" as well as D63-D500-1 and were considered by and large for sportsman use. I can post more bulletins to show this. Tim in Golden

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-02-03 5:07 AM (#306202 - in reply to #306154)
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So, what does this make a 56 Custom Sierra D-500 ? It does wear "Sierra" tags on the
rear quarters, but "custom" is only known by the interior and a few easily swapped trim
pieces. It does wear the D-500 tags on the hood and tailgate.

Not trying to be a smartass about this. The original owner told me he special-ordered
this car. They both wanted a new 56 Dodge, the wife wanted a wagon and picked the colors.
He insisted on "all that go-fast stuff". It would be an interesting understanding to have as
to how that worked. I always understood the D-500 package to be an optional "package"
of Hemi, HP springs, bigger brakes ... that you could dump on ANY Dodge model, not a
model unto itself. But what do I know ?!!!
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Dash One
Posted 2012-02-03 8:23 AM (#306213 - in reply to #247573)
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Well according to this price list it makes it a Custom Sierra D500 Station Wagon, Base price is $2815. And I know that Dodge marketing had a way of calling it a package or even an option, But the Corporate line was that the car was a new "Series" which is basically used as a word for Model in some of their documents. The factory refered to it as a Series or Model on it's paper work, with available options unique to the model. Don't get hung up on trim changes only and consider that many chassis upgrades constitute a big change. A Royal and a Coronet were quite simular, more simular than a Coronet and a D500 Coronet. Tim in Golden

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-02-03 10:52 AM (#306227 - in reply to #306213)
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Tim, do you have some production numbers for the dash ones? I'll put them in and we'll see how it looks.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-02-03 12:47 PM (#306243 - in reply to #252789)
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Well, I tried to add Neil's 102 501's to the list along with the Ghias and Plymouth Six Wagons and Diplomat Adventurers, but it isn't intellectually honest within the context of model and body style. I have heard D501 production numbers of 101 and Neil says 102 but could be up to 105 - no one knows. I think this question of D501s and D500-1s has been asked and answered.

Chrycoman - 2010-12-10 9:43 PM

The D-500, D-501, Sonoramic, etc. were packages with the engine as the focal point. In the case of the D-500, you can find them on Coronet, Royal and Custom Royal models while the Sonoramic was available on all Plymouths. The cars on the list each have a unique model number. The D-500, D-501 and Sonoramic equipped vehicles do not.

The 1959 DeSoto Fireflite 2-door hardtop was model MS3-H 23, while the Adventurer 2-door hardtop was MS3-S 23. A 1959 Dodge Custom Royal with the base 361 V8 was model MD3-H 23 while a Custom Royal with the D-500 package (DeSoto Fireflite engine, basically) was still MD3-H 23. And that was how Chrysler counted production - by model number.

And that is to what the list should be sticking - production by model number. The D-500, D-501, etc. were all options, just like power steering, automatic transmissions, and whitewall tires. If someone wants to make a list how many cars were built by engine option, in particular hi-perf engines, fine. But this one should stick to production by model number (make, series and body style).

The model number information was entered on the bottom row of the body data tag on U.S. models and the top row on Canadian models, but not information on what was under the hood. That information was recorded in the options area of the American body data tag and not at all on the Canadian.

In the case of the D-501, is was not a model. It's fine that 10 D-501 hardtops were built, but of that 10 how many were Coronet, how many Royal and how many Custom Royal? And that is the sign of an option. The 1957 Dodge Coronet was model D66, the Royal was D67-2 and the Custom Royal was D67-3. We know how many hardtops were built in each series, and we know those totals include those built with the D-501 engine option. The D-500 and D-501 were not models, but engine packages/options.

Just my 2 cents Canadian (1.99 cents US).
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Dash One
Posted 2012-02-03 3:06 PM (#306264 - in reply to #247573)
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I guess Chrycoman is wrong so don't go by him. The sonoramoc was a corporate wide deal far different in scope than what Dodge was doing in the mid 50s. The D500 cars were Models not options in the same way a Road Runner was not a Belvedere. Get with the program people. Simularly eventually the Roadrunner became an option but like the D500 they were not just options in the beginning. The factory didn't have to follow your post production rules for proper nomenclature. The D500 was a whole Series of Models intially and it was intially no different than adding a Windsor series or a Dart series or any series. It in fact progressed rapidly from its intial 3 Model Beginning. These Models were not Trim oriented they were Performance oriented. I geuss this if this doesn't fit your narrow view of model designation then it is flying in the face of exact information outlining and showing the intial D500 Series and Model Designations. These cars were refered to by Dodge as D63-D500 Models or D63-D500-1 (or even D501) Models. Tim in Golden

Edited by Dash One 2012-02-03 3:17 PM
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d500neil
Posted 2012-02-03 3:22 PM (#306269 - in reply to #306264)
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Ok, so, in answer to Lancer Mike's questions, about the legitimacy, and the codings for the D501 models, the question
becomes: do I give up my proprietary years of research on them, to score some points on this thread, and possibly/
probably allow them to be cloned, with re-popped P/T plates, or allow them to be shunned from the listing "just because"
those data are not published (but other cars' SUB-models are recognized on the listing...)?

No thanks, keep the D501's (and the 1956 Dash-1's) off of your list.





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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-02-03 4:31 PM (#306280 - in reply to #306269)
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Silly me! I thought the whole purpose of this website was to share information!

Cripes! share the numbers and I will add them in. the only number I have ever seen published for D501 is 101 (sorry Neil, I'm going with that) - so how many dash-ones were made?

I guess the problem I have (or had) with this was that those numbers D500, D501, and D500-1 seem like they have to be subtracted from the Most High Exalted Official Chrysler production totals for other models! And if we do this, we really need to add back the Plymouth 6 wagons, the DeSoto 6 Taxis, the Coronet Lancer 6s...which do not have to be extracted from the Most High Exalted Official Chrysler production totals for other models.

but I can do it. just give me the dash-one numbers and it's done.

Edited by Lancer Mike 2012-02-03 4:44 PM
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d500neil
Posted 2012-02-03 4:41 PM (#306281 - in reply to #306280)
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Unfortunately, the Dash-1 production numbers have never been confirmed.

They are available, for certain, in the CHS microfilm rolls, but Darrell Davis is not presently able to return to Detroit to continue his
1957 D501/1956 D-500-1 research work.

Really unfortunately, the factory, in 1956/57, confusingly referred to the various D500's/Dash-1's/D501's in their own official literature.




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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-02-03 4:44 PM (#306282 - in reply to #306281)
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Oh, BROTHER!
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d500neil
Posted 2012-02-03 5:09 PM (#306287 - in reply to #306282)
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Yep.


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Posted 2012-02-03 9:52 PM (#306338 - in reply to #306287)
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This plays in my head:

As I was going to St. Ives
I met a man with seven wives
Each wife had seven sacks
Each sack had seven cats
Each cat had seven kits
Kits, cats, sacks, wives ..
How many were going to St. Ives ?

I think the answer to this question can be found using dice. Does anyone have
God's phone number ?





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Dash One
Posted 2012-02-09 8:49 AM (#307062 - in reply to #247573)
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To put a wrap on the 1956 D500 and 1957 D501 being considered models, I invite anyone to read the couple hundred pages of information I have accumulated and I am sure it will be a clear picture for the model designation. I know that as time progressed the designation was lost and where that point is...well that surely is a bit "Dicey" ....... I could see many saying no to the 1957 standard D500 and Super D500 but not D501. Tim in Golden
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Posted 2012-02-09 10:47 AM (#307076 - in reply to #247573)
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I would think that the less-than-a-handful of people who own the remaining 501s, a list like this doesn't mean much. It reminds me of a nightclub owner who has a list of people on his VIP list. They leave a guy off the list, but that guy doesnt care because he owns his own nightclub down the street.

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Dash One
Posted 2012-02-09 12:01 PM (#307086 - in reply to #247573)
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My concern is that we are promoting our cars by putting out lists like this and they eventually may end up in other publications. The D500 is the poster child for misinformation when it comes to the ForwardLook cars. I see the seemingly endless stream of improper clones, incorrect articles, and erroneous desriptions concerning these cars. I realize it means more to me. I work hard to report facts about the D500 and when I advance an opinion I describe it as such. I always research with diligence before contributing information as fact and I appreciate others who do so as well. There has been many factual decriptions concerning the D500 and I focus on not being too repetative. I would like to see a little help from this list by promoting the facts and disspelling the rumors whenever possible. Thanks Tim in Golden

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-10-10 2:40 PM (#342532 - in reply to #307086)
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I don't want to kick the hornet's nest anymore, but we probably should add the Ghias.

RAREST FORWARDLOOK PASSENGER CARS BY MODEL AND BODY STYLE

1955 IMPERIAL - C70 : Crown 4-door sedan, 9-pass - 45
1956 IMPERIAL - C70* : Crown 4-door sedan, 9-pass - 51
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-S : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 82
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-P : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 97
1955 IMPERIAL - C70 : Crown 4-door limousine - 127
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-P : 300-E 2-door convertible - 140
1956 IMPERIAL - C70* : Crown 4-door limousine - 175
1958 CHRYSLER - LC4-H : 300-D 2-door convertible - 191
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-S : 300-F 2-door convertible - 248
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 283
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 286
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-M : Firedome 2-door convertible - 299
1957 DeSOTO - S26A : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 300
1960 DART - PD3-4/H : Phoenix 4-door wagon - 320
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : 300-G 2-door convertible - 337
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-S : Adventurer 2-door hardtop - 350
1961 IMPERIAL - RY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 429
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 474
1957 CHRYSLER - C76 : 300-C 2-door convertible - 484
1958 IMPERIAL - LY-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 501
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 510
1961 DODGE - RD1-L : Polara 2-door convertible - 512
1958 DeSOTO - LS2-M : Firedome 2-door convertible - 519
1958 IMPERIAL - LY-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 538
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-P : 300-E 2-door hardtop 550
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible 555
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 556
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 576
1959 DeSOTO - MS2-L : Firesweep 2-door convertible - 596
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-P : Adventurer 2-door hardtop - 602
1958 CHRYSLER - LC4-H : 300-D 2-door hardtop - 618
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 618
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 622
1955 DeSOTO - S22 : Firedome 2-door convertible - 625
1956 DeSOTO - S23 : Firedome 2-door convertible - 646
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 666
1958 IMPERIAL - LY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 675
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 692
1958 DeSOTO - LS1-L : Firesweep 2-door convertible - 700
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon - 704
1955 DeSOTO - S21 : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 775
1961 IMPERIAL - RY1-L : Custom 2-door hardtop - 889
1957 IMPERIAL - IM1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 911
1961 DeSOTO - RS1-M : 2-door hardtop - 911
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon - 927
1955 CHRYSLER - C68 : New Yorker DeLuxe 2-door convertible - 946
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 2-door convertible - 961
1960 CHRYSLER- PC3-S : 300-F 2-door hardtop - 964
1959 DODGE - MD3-H : Custom Royal 2-door convertible - 984
1956 DeSOTO - S24 : Adventurer 2-door hardtop - 996
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 999

OTHER PRODUCTION RARITIES

1955 IMPERIAL - C69 : Custom 2-door convertible - 1
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 2-door convertible - 2
1960 DODGE - PD1-L : Matador 2-door sedan - 2
1959 IMPERIAL - N/A* : Crown Ghia Limousine - 7
1961 IMPERIAL - N/A* : Crown Ghia Limousine - 9
1960 IMPERIAL - N/A* : Crown Ghia Limousine - 16
1958 IMPERIAL - N/A* : Crown Ghia Limousine - 31
1957 IMPERIAL - N/A* : Crown Ghia Limousine - 36
*vehicles were shipped to Italy as knock-down Imperial Crown 2-door hardtops, then imported to the U.S. as limousines.

RAREST STATION WAGONS BY SEAT CONFIGURATION

1961 DART - RD3/4-L : Seneca 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 68
1961 PLYMOUTH - RP1/2-L : Savoy 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 74
1960 DART - PD3-4/H : Phoenix 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 122
1960 DART - PD3-4/H : Phoenix 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 198
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 271
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 318
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 428
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 433
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 444
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 564
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 609
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 624
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 671
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 676
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 751
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 760
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 775
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 791
1957 DeSOTO - S26 : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 837
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 862
1961 DODGE - RD1-L : Polara 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 908
1957 DeSOTO - S26 : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 934
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 992
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Posted 2012-10-10 4:16 PM (#342539 - in reply to #247627)
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1957 DeSoto Diplomat convertibles:

Built up export LHD 43

Knock down under bond LHD 6


1957 Dodge Mayfair/Kingsway convertibles:

Built up export LHD 117

Knock down under bond LHD 16
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Posted 2012-10-10 5:20 PM (#342550 - in reply to #247573)
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Hey Mike, how about this for another thread ... what was the most common by the numbers, mass produced make/model/year of all the forward looks? My guess would be the 57 Plymouth Savoy 4 door ...
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-04-28 11:16 PM (#372516 - in reply to #304262)
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Chrycoman - 2010-12-30 8:51 PM
For years now I have been reading about how the D-501 was a separate line with unique BDY codes. Yet no one has actually mentioned the codes. So, to solve problem #2, below are the body styles for the Coronet and the D-501. If you could be so kind as to fill in the blanks we can end this discussion once and for all -

D66 : Coronet V8

2-door sedan - BDY : _____

4-door sedan - BDY : _____

2-door hardop - BDY : _____

4-door hardtop - BDY : _____

2-door convertible - BDY : _____


D501 : Coronet V8

2-door sedan - BDY : _____

2-door hardop - BDY : _____

2-door convertible - BDY : _____


Thank you.


Bill, I think these may be the body codes

D66 : Coronet 325 V8

2-door sedan - BDY : 2142

4-door sedan - BDY : 2145

2-door hardop - BDY : 2146

4-door hardtop - BDY : 2149

2-door convertible - BDY : 2143


D66 : Coronet 354 V8 "D501"

2-door sedan - BDY : 2442

2-door hardop - BDY : 2446

2-door convertible - BDY : 2443


D66 : Coronet 325 V8 "D500"

2-door sedan - BDY : 2542

4-door sedan - BDY : 2545

2-door hardtop - BDY : 2546

4-door hartdop - BDY : 2549

2-door convertible - BDY : 2543


For the Royal D500s, replace the third numeral 4 with a 7
For the Custom Royal D500s, replace the third numeral 4 with an 8

I believe in 1957, the BDY codes for Dodge are a four-digit sequence:
the first digit is always a "2" and represents the make: Dodge
the second digit is an engine code
the third digit is the model code
the fourth digit is a body style code


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d500neil
Posted 2013-04-29 1:44 AM (#372532 - in reply to #247573)
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I was not going to give up my hard earned D501 research, but, Mike is wrong about the D501 hardtop BDY coding, above.

Of the 102 D501's that were built, Corp researcher Darrell Davis has found 92 IBM cards; 23 are convertibles, 62 are sedans
and 7 are hardtops.

Three of the missing ten are otherwise documented; 2 hardtops and one sedan.

Seven cars are still to be found.



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-04-29 3:01 AM (#372540 - in reply to #372532)
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Kudos for that free and open dissemination of intel. Good for discussion. Good for historical
accuracy.
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Posted 2013-05-04 3:16 PM (#373453 - in reply to #247573)
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I would like to know how many 1961 plymouths are left today.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-05-04 11:39 PM (#373524 - in reply to #373453)
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How could anyone possibly know that ? You would have to peer in every last backyard, garage, barn, field,
and warehouse on the entire planet to do that. And most people who hoard these cars are not the type that
are real interested in some nosey tallyman coming around looking at their "goodies".

I have confirmed the existence of six 1958 Fireflite convertible still surviving. Instinct tells me that for every
one documented, there is probably another one still hiding in someone's basement or barn somewhere. How
can we ever know we've counted them all ?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-05-05 9:31 PM (#373666 - in reply to #373524)
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well, for letter cars - once you get up to the production total, you can stop!
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Posted 2013-05-05 10:51 PM (#373674 - in reply to #247573)
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Not to mention ignoring the 102 D501 (engines) that were produced.

92 cars' IBM cards have been found by Corp researcher Darrell Davis, and three additional
known-cars' IBM's have not yet been located.

That leaves 7 cars that have not been found, or documented, to date.

So, if you're "counting" Adventurer convertibles.....

9 (known) D501 hardtops

23 (known) D501 convertibles

63 (known) D501 sedans












Edited by d500neil 2013-05-05 11:05 PM
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-05-06 2:46 AM (#373687 - in reply to #373666)
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Lancer Mike - 2013-05-06 6:31 PM

well, for letter cars - once you get up to the production total, you can stop! :laugh:


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I have been told by 300 Club members that for certain years, more convertibles survive today
than ever left the factory !

But how can this be, Mr. Obvious ?

Well, Timmy .... let me tell you ....
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Posted 2013-05-06 5:41 AM (#373703 - in reply to #247573)
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I've heard that too. But like the popular 57s for example, 484 were built, no way there's more than that or even close.
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I am also recalling being told that all too many convertible letter cars mysteriously had no (or questionable)
VIN / build tags, suggesting they had once been convertibles of "another ilk". I personally knew of car guys
doing this to make 300's and Adventurers out of Fireflites, Domes, and NY'ers back in the early 80's.
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