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SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | After a lengthy search, I've finally found the impossible, a 1961 Plymouth Suburban 2 door! Legend has it, that this particular wagon was one of 13 ordered by the US Air Force as camera equipment haulers, ordered without a backseat, a 3 passenger! This one spent the majority of her life in a hangar at Minot AFB, North Dakota, and when sold at auction some years ago, reportedly only had 9,000 original miles. However, the engine and transmission (slant 6/3 speed) was yanked out and white latex paint was applied with a brush, at some point. I don't have any real verification of any of this, save a "US Property" plate on the inner fender, and a few photos of her in white. If you have any ideas how to research her history, please let me know! I was also told, under the white latex was original olive green. I'm not sure when USAF vehicles switched to blue? Then an 'old-school' hot rodder picked her up, and transformed her into what she is right now! He is a really nice guy, and didn't really wish to sell, but sometimes a little pestering pays off! He thought this was the ugliest car in the world, and he didn't mind a bit when I told him my plans for her. She's got a 1964 225 slant 6, bored .030 and a small comp cam, plus alum intake and clifford headers, true duals with sawed off cherry bombs (LOUD!), 390 Holley 4 bbl, all mated up to a Chrysler 4 speed. The interior has two buckets and console pieces from a Chrysler 300M. The paint speaks for itself, and the tailgate lettering says it all! She had some aftermarket wheels, which the former owner kept. I plan to restore her to a more original state, and the interior will be the bigger challenge it appears. The body is stock, save the funky mirrors and missing emblems, and I hope I don't discover surprises under that wild paint. I'll leave the drivetrain as is for now, it's kinda fun, except I'll raise the body back up, and I'm sure my Y will request some quieter mufflers! I'm undecided what the color will be, if anyone could help out with the data plate, that will be step 1 for the paint decision. I'm actually considering a USAF theme, but need alot more research first! I couldn't get a good photo of the data plate, but it reads as follows: SO NUMBER BDY TRM PNT 0501 7195 255 999 602 If anyone could direct me how decode, please. Enjoy the photos (if you can look directly! ) Pete (Oct18,2010b.jpg) (Oct18,2010e.jpg) (Oct18,2010g.jpg) (Oct18,2010h.jpg) (Oct18,2010f.jpg) (Oct18,2010c.jpg) (Oct18,2010i.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Oct18,2010b.jpg (170KB - 429 downloads) Oct18,2010e.jpg (173KB - 355 downloads) Oct18,2010g.jpg (204KB - 314 downloads) Oct18,2010h.jpg (200KB - 327 downloads) Oct18,2010f.jpg (151KB - 303 downloads) Oct18,2010c.jpg (179KB - 361 downloads) Oct18,2010i.jpg (180KB - 382 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | CONGRATS ! ! ! ! If you want to get rid of that valve cover I'd like to have first crack at it . . . I'm looking forward to what you do with it - paint would be priority number one with me !!!! GOOD LUCK | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13045 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Sweeet Tower of Power!!!!!!!!!! | ||
oldwood |
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | How does that /6 really run with the 4speed??? If my / wasn't so original, I would do those mtr. upgrades also. Congrats on your new purchase. That car desperately needs toneing down. | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | The engine is definitely Olde Skool! You can have a lot of fun making an era correct rod out of that stick 2-dr Suburban! You could go for a Surf-wagon look, too; there must be some vintage roof racks available, at the major national salvage yards--it'd look bitchin with a vintage paint scheme, and with a 'rack' on it. | ||
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Expert Posts: 3967 Location: DFW, TX | I cannot fathom an uglier paint job than what is already on it. Fortunately, anything you do to it will be an upgrade! For some reason I think it would be really neat in olive drab with a big white star on the door, lol! I like the drivetrain too! Good score. Wasn't someone here looking for a 2dr '61 Suburban...? | ||
big m |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | 57burb - 2010-10-18 12:27 PM I cannot fathom an uglier paint job than what is already on it. Fortunately, anything you do to it will be an upgrade! For some reason I think it would be really neat in olive drab with a big white star on the door, lol! I like the drivetrain too! Good score. Wasn't someone here looking for a 2dr '61 Suburban...? Danny, it was Pete here that has been looking for a 2-door '61 wagon for eons. The search is now over!!! ---John | ||
djMikulec |
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Veteran Posts: 139 Location: Central Kentucky | Wow. That's awesome! Congrats Pete. And, I like your plans for her. She'll look good.
I'll take any unwanted bits from her motor that you don't want. That's one sweet 225! Edited by djMikulec 2010-10-18 5:07 PM | ||
Great Lakes Belv |
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Veteran Posts: 225 Location: Michigan | Good Grief, charlie brown- it's the great pumpkin! As bad as that paint is ,the cars bodylines still look sleek. I look forward to seeing it restored, whatever color you choose. Glad to see you finally caught your white whale! | ||
oldwood |
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | I see you have the dual master cyl. Was there any kind of brake upgrade? I also think Subs need the luggage rack. Were there any rust issues hidden? | ||
suburban61 |
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Expert Posts: 1480 Location: Australia | 0501 7195 255 999 602 0501= may the 1st delivery date 7195= production sequence 2552= dr wagon, 6 pass 999= (no trim code of 999 on my decoder) 602= (this should be 2 letters and then either a 1 or a 2) as for the VIN 2511178055 2= plymouth 6 cyl 5= savoy station wagon 1= 1961 1= detroit MI assembly plant 178055= 78055 production number hope this helps somewhat, strange about the paint and trim codes, and that was the main thing you wanted to get decoded to change back to original... maybe try chrysler historical, maybe they will have this info on their sheet... glad you finally have your 2door suburban! welcome to the '61 suburban club!! | ||
sonoramicconvert |
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Veteran Posts: 258 | Once again a 1961......... AWESOME!! | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | The TRM code "999" indicates that there was something unusual about the color and/or the fabric/vinyl of the OEM upholstery! The sad-thing is that neither the behind-dash Broadcast sheet nor the IBM card copy will confirm precisely what was 'special' about the interior fitment--they'll only show the "999" code, but will not explain what it was--although the Broadcast Sheet, that MAY have been dropped onto the floor pan, before the carpeting and the upholstery was installed, probably stated in its "Instructions" box what the 'special' upholstery was to have been. Edited by d500neil 2010-10-18 7:21 PM | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 421 Location: N. Georgia | Man, I'll bet I will be able to hear that paint job for 10 minutes after I shut down the 'puter tonight!! But, great find, paint or not! | ||
Chrycoman |
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | The fact that it had no back seat would be enough for a '999' code. As the car was built for the American government, Chrysler may have had special code numbers for the various paint schemes the US government specified. Chrysler of Canada used three numeric paint codes for special paint jobs when they went to letters for production vehicles. Should definitely get the build record from Chrysler Historical. | ||
Handygun |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1117 Location: STL, MO | A guy in MCG had 2 of those he was trying to sell in Washington state a few yrs back, I wonder if that is one of them? | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 726 Location: Some Island called Prince Edward | Glad you found your dream car. I look forward to seeing your restoration. I agree olive drab would be cool! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7393 Location: northern germany | that gotta be the ugliest paint/color combination i've ever seen! great car though | ||
Imperial252 |
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Veteran Posts: 171 Location: New Richmond, WI | Sweet looking slant six!!!! | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | At least 'they' didn't paint over the OEM P/T plate! Your car may well have considerable value to a Military Vehicle collector, if/when properly restored to its original condition. The car's OEM color WILL appear beneath the brake master cylinder mounting plate, on the firewall (and probably behind the perimeter of the heater housing). You can see where 'they' merely masked off that M/C plate when they 'hit' it with the day-glow Orange. This would also make a fantastic era-correct Surf Wagon; but the USAF-route will not be particularly difficult to 'follow', as this car is so much of a purely utilitarian (stripper-) model. You also know the car's FSN 'number', for door-stenciling USAF identification painting. Edited by d500neil 2010-10-19 4:41 PM | ||
SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | Thanks for the comments, fellas! And thanks for de-coding, Adrianna. Dorsey, she's got disc setup on the front from a '79 Chrysler, the master cyl. is late '60s era. They work great, but will prevent me from going to original 14" wheels. The 'old skool' slant 6 is terrific. I'll be leaving that as is for now, it is quite fun. I've got a few minor issues to work out before tearing her apart for paint, but I've got to get those colors off soon! Pete (Oct21,2010b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Oct21,2010b.jpg (251KB - 281 downloads) | ||
SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | Just a quick update, I've raised her back to factory height and put some mufflers and tailpipes on her. Now, I begin the disassembly for paint. Pete (NewExh12,4,2010.jpg) (Dec6,2010a.jpg) (Dec7,2010a.jpg) Attachments ---------------- NewExh12,4,2010.jpg (177KB - 346 downloads) Dec6,2010a.jpg (183KB - 282 downloads) Dec7,2010a.jpg (181KB - 347 downloads) | ||
pistolgrip |
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Veteran Posts: 118 Location: Maryland | Cool find and glad you finally got your 2 door! As for colors, here is a pic of a '63 Merc Air Force Wagon. It looks as if it is a "glossy" color, the caption says it's painted a "Bluish Gray"
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SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | It's time to update y'all on my progress with my sweetheart; below are a few 'in progress' photos of paint prep. Pete (March25,2011a.jpg) (Apr21,2011b.jpg) (Apr27,2011c.jpg) (May13,2011b.jpg) (June2,2011k.jpg) (June16,2011sealer1.jpg) (June16,2011h.jpg) Attachments ---------------- March25,2011a.jpg (192KB - 289 downloads) Apr21,2011b.jpg (210KB - 306 downloads) Apr27,2011c.jpg (178KB - 348 downloads) May13,2011b.jpg (141KB - 274 downloads) June2,2011k.jpg (129KB - 294 downloads) June16,2011sealer1.jpg (103KB - 279 downloads) June16,2011h.jpg (115KB - 283 downloads) | ||
SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | And now here she is today, the exterior complete. (If they are ever complete! ) I chose the '61 Plymouth color mint green, and thought it turned out well. Pete (June28,2011aFL.jpg) (June28,2011bFL.jpg) (June28,2011cFL.jpg) (June28,2011dFL.jpg) (June28,2011eFL.jpg) Attachments ---------------- June28,2011aFL.jpg (221KB - 282 downloads) June28,2011bFL.jpg (183KB - 327 downloads) June28,2011cFL.jpg (242KB - 285 downloads) June28,2011dFL.jpg (238KB - 291 downloads) June28,2011eFL.jpg (173KB - 374 downloads) | ||
big m |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Excellent job, Pete!! I sure do prefer the mint green over what the previous owner thought was 'cool'! ---John | ||
imopar380 |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7206 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | WOW what a difference, looks great compared to the wild orange & purple!! Very nice job. | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Whole-y Guacamole, Batman! That color happens to be the color that JoHan selected for the molded-in color on its 1961 1/25 scale Plymouth model cars. The stock body, with the era-looking worked-engine is fantastic! As D. Moore said, in "Arthur" : "You must have really hated that 'moose'. | ||
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Walter passed away on Jul 29, 2014. We will miss you, Walt! Posts: 5358 Location: Heaven Above (Formerly Oklahoma City,OK) | Congrats on ditching the "EEEEEWw"! factor it came with, Pete.!!! Sharp, sharp, sharp! ! ! ! | ||
Jason413 |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 378 Location: hampton mn | Looks much better. What did you do with the interior? | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 500 Location: Upper East Tennessee | Pete! That is one beautiful car! | ||
sonoramicconvert |
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Veteran Posts: 258 | dang!! | ||
sonoramicconvert |
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Veteran Posts: 258 | I got a nice original 4dr belvedere with 52,000 miles..... same color. But this looks sooooooo much better! Great job! | ||
oldwood |
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | Hows that little / run. Ya gotta love a real motor such as that. | ||
BarnFind57 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | WOW! That thing has made one incredible transformation. Nice Job. | ||
catman |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 781 Location: Montreal, Canada | I | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Very inspiring ! So underwhelming. I love it ! | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 530 Location: Wake Forest, NC | Looks so much better, well done. | ||
SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | Thank you very much for all the positive comments, fellas. There is much more work to be done on her interior, it is in pieces at the moment. Actually, in the second to bottom photo above, you can see the purple dash reflection in the windshield! Pete | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 314 Location: San Antonio Tx | Pete Looking "O"utstanding I know your proud on the job so far Keep it up on the interior | ||
MoparBrew |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 461 Location: Brooklyn NY | It looks great! In the body work photos it looked like no bad surprises as well...which I would say is pretty lucky. I like the dog dish hub caps. I think those are the correct ones for 61. What 15" wheels did you use to fit the big dog dishes on? Enjoy your ride...Ralph from Brooklyn | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | I keep coming back to this thread and looking at the reborn Minty Monster. I mean this in the most complimentary way, but this is the ultimate expression of "anti-flash", ... a vacuum of uncool so bad it makes it cool. I just laugh at the thought of all those hotrod red car kind of guys getting all yucked out over it. How did Plymouth go from the 58 cars to this ? I only hope my stripper Plaza can be this uncool. Love it ! | ||
SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | Mucho gracias for the compliments! Ralph, those rims are standard Mopar '67 and earlier 15x5.5 wheels, which take the bigger (10-inch) dog-dish hubcaps that grace our FL cars. However, I had to use some 3/4" spacers on the front to allow for disc brake clearance. It was not my first choice to use spacers, but I did want to keep the original style hubcaps without re-doing the front brakes, as they were done with the Volare conversion, rather than an AAJ kit or other that would allow for the 14-inch rims. Brent, I have always been a fan of the "plain Jane" cars, your comment is a fine compliment! Thank you! Pete | ||
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Expert Posts: 2308 Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | Very nice indeed! Mint green is an attractive color for a station wagon, and a lot easier on the orbs than that orange and purple coat. I'm sure you will enjoy driving that car in the coming days. | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Pete, what can you tell us about how your ride's engine may be built? 225 engine; bored/stroked/shaved/carbs/whose-headers/twice-pipes-huh/trannie ? Any special rear gears in it; Sure Grip? | ||
SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | Neil, she's bored .030, with a small comp cam, Clifford headers, aluminum intake, Holley 390 4bbl, with a Chrysler 4-speed from a '69 Charger. The rear end was swapped to a '72 Challenger 8 3/4 with 2.94 gears, so she maintains well on the freeway. I cannot take any credit, as this was all done by the previous owner. I can report that the more I drive her, the more I really enjoy this setup. Thanks for the interest! And here she is at my last outing: Pete (July18,2011c.jpg) (July16,2011b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- July18,2011c.jpg (164KB - 267 downloads) July16,2011b.jpg (150KB - 272 downloads) | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | YUP; the high rear end ratios are our cars' salvation! The engines still look mean and sound nasty, but they cruise along at 20 MPG! Glasspacks (which it's probably already got, too) will add a nice note of authority to the engine. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1480 Location: Australia | Oh! You made her beautiful again! Well done... I am sure you still have some help to give the interior, but the outside is 100x better! Love the colour also! I will update the page on your suburban now, you wouldn't even know or think it was the same car! Adriana | ||
SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | Well, I'd better update this thread, as I've finally finished the interior after a lengthy wait for SMS to make the door panels. I tried to make it appear stock, while keeping a few of the 'upgrades' such as aftermarket gauges and 4-on-the-floor. The shifter handle is actually from a '61 Valiant, I had to bend it a little at the base to make that wonderful curve fit well. Also, the previous owner had mounted little generic turn signal indicators beneath the speedometer, as he had replaced the original locations with aftermarket gauges. I did not want to loose these, but didn't like the little orange buttons. I ended up using the parking brake indicator as my turn signal indicator, it doesn't distinguish between left or right turns, but is bright enough to let me know its on. Plus, it gives a more original look to the dash. Also, I installed carpet (which was not original to the car), as the rubber matting is pretty much impossible to find. Here are a few before and after photos, I hope y'all enjoy. Pete (Oct18,2010c.jpg) (June26,2012e.jpg) (Oct18,2010i.jpg) (June26,2012j.jpg) (Oct18,2010k.jpg) (June26,2012k.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Oct18,2010c.jpg (179KB - 319 downloads) June26,2012e.jpg (164KB - 245 downloads) Oct18,2010i.jpg (180KB - 322 downloads) June26,2012j.jpg (182KB - 251 downloads) Oct18,2010k.jpg (187KB - 258 downloads) June26,2012k.jpg (172KB - 303 downloads) | ||
FIN ME |
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Expert Posts: 2788 Location: USA - KY | Nice job! You have saved this car! You have every right to be proud of such a good job of preserving such a fab car! Sorry if you've already mentioned this, but where did you get those floor mats? Gotta have. | ||
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