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JoeT
Posted 2010-07-21 10:55 PM (#233665)
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I have a 'Canadian-built '59 Plymouth Savoy with 313 cu in V8. What are correct colors for engine block, valve covers, air cleaner, etc.? Does anyone have photos I can see for reference? How about a source for decals and/or label associated with engine compartment?

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DVjohn
Posted 2010-07-23 11:29 AM (#233867 - in reply to #233665)
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I had a quick look here and ran out of time:

http://www.allpar.com/history/plymouth/1946-1959/cars-1959.html

Scoot around Allpar, I'm sure you'll find something
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miquelonbrad
Posted 2010-09-10 9:58 PM (#240820 - in reply to #233665)
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I have a field fresh '59 Chrysler, that is made in Canada. I can take pics of the engine if you wish. I think the colours will be the same...

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Bryan1960Windsor
Posted 2011-01-11 8:55 PM (#256663 - in reply to #240820)
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Hey Brad, what kind of 59 did ya find?

 

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Posted 2011-01-12 8:39 AM (#256705 - in reply to #256663)
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To Joe T
The whole engine and transmission is Silver (or Aluminum if you prefere) Air cleaner is Black, Starter and Generator are Black and so is the Oil filter Canister (Non-Spin-on) As far as Decals, the air cleaner has a Service Decal and the oil filter canister has a small rectangular "Chryco" decal on it. The Generator will have the green Aluminum "Autolite" ID plate as well as the starter. The oil filler cap/breather is black and the road draft tube can be silver or black I've seen it done both ways on original engines. Thats it for the Canadian Engine. Nobody reproduces the "Correct"Chryco decal for the air cleaner as far as I know.

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soiouz
Posted 2011-01-12 12:36 PM (#256734 - in reply to #256705)
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grunau - 2011-01-12 8:39 AM

To Joe T
The whole engine and transmission is Silver (or Aluminum if you prefere) Air cleaner is Black, Starter and Generator are Black and so is the Oil filter Canister (Non-Spin-on) As far as Decals, the air cleaner has a Service Decal and the oil filter canister has a small rectangular "Chryco" decal on it. The Generator will have the green Aluminum "Autolite" ID plate as well as the starter. The oil filler cap/breather is black and the road draft tube can be silver or black I've seen it done both ways on original engines. Thats it for the Canadian Engine. Nobody reproduces the "Correct"Chryco decal for the air cleaner as far as I know.


Here's the 313 in my Canadian 1959 Dodge Mayfair. The engine was never repainted or restored, with 36k miles on it. The only restoration made in the engine bay area is the firewall (supposed to be painted body colour) and the hood hinges have overspray on them (supposed to be silver with red springs).

As for the correct Chryco decals, I plan on having reproductions made sometime in the spring. If there's any interest from fellow canucks, I could make a batch. I'll let the board know when I'm ready.


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miquelonbrad
Posted 2011-01-15 6:49 PM (#257116 - in reply to #233665)
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I'd definately be interested in Chryco decals for my restoration!!
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soiouz
Posted 2011-01-15 11:31 PM (#257149 - in reply to #257116)
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miquelonbrad - 2011-01-15 6:49 PM

I'd definately be interested in Chryco decals for my restoration!!


Cool!

I'll let you know when I'm ready to have a batch made, and when I'll be sure about prices, quantity, etc.
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soiouz
Posted 2011-09-01 10:28 AM (#287116 - in reply to #233665)
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This repro decal project is coming along. They should be ready very soon. I only have to find out what was written at the very bottom of the Canadian Decal. I'm suspecting "CHRYSLER CORPORATION OF CANADA, LIMITED", but if someone could verify this for me in their CANADIAN FL car, I'd be happy!
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soiouz
Posted 2011-09-02 7:22 AM (#287252 - in reply to #233665)
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I posted a thread specifically for this in the general section too:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=37977&...

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miquelonbrad
Posted 2011-09-04 2:42 AM (#287486 - in reply to #233665)
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I took a look at all my parts cars today... all but one are Canadian-built. BUT, I found different labels than I thought I'd find! One '57 Plymouth had the remains of a "Chryco" label. Then, another '57 Plymouth had a "Mopar" label. The '59 Chrysler had a Mopar one, as does my '57 Chrysler hardtop. But, my '57 sedan has a Chryco one. What gives?
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Posted 2011-09-04 7:36 AM (#287500 - in reply to #287486)
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miquelonbrad - 2011-09-04 2:42 AM

I took a look at all my parts cars today... all but one are Canadian-built. BUT, I found different labels than I thought I'd find! One '57 Plymouth had the remains of a "Chryco" label. Then, another '57 Plymouth had a "Mopar" label. The '59 Chrysler had a Mopar one, as does my '57 Chrysler hardtop. But, my '57 sedan has a Chryco one. What gives?


Thanks a lot for looking, Brad!

Your finds are quite puzzling indeed. I'm especially suprised at the two Plymouths having different decals. I would have expected these to be CHRYCO only!

The accessories brochure I have for 1958 Dodge and Desoto show some of the options and accessories were labeled Mopar and the rubber floor mat I found a couple of weeks ago from 1960-61 said Mopar too. It seems you really never know with Chrysler Canada!


Did you check what the last line on the bottom of the decal says on the CHRYCO labels you have? Could you confirm that it says "CHRYSLER CORP. CANADA, LTD" please? Thanks again!

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miquelonbrad
Posted 2011-09-06 9:24 AM (#287728 - in reply to #233665)
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Hi David,
Yes, that is what I can make out on the bottom of whats left of the label.
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Posted 2011-09-06 12:39 PM (#287735 - in reply to #287728)
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miquelonbrad - 2011-09-06 9:24 AM

Hi David,
Yes, that is what I can make out on the bottom of whats left of the label. :)



THANKS A LOT!!!!





I'll let you know when the decals are ready!
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soiouz
Posted 2011-09-09 5:13 PM (#288262 - in reply to #233665)
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Well the decals are ready and they are pretty good. If any of you need one, let me know by PM, I have four extra decals.






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Bryan1960Windsor
Posted 2011-09-23 7:59 PM (#289977 - in reply to #233665)
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Guys... help me out... this engine looks exactly like the engine in my 59 Canadian built Windsor... but mine "should" be a 361, right? is it just the color scheme that is the same?

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Posted 2011-09-24 11:10 AM (#290033 - in reply to #233665)
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Colour scheme is just the same. My '57's also have the same colour of block and such.
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Posted 2011-09-24 5:51 PM (#290082 - in reply to #289977)
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Bryan1960Windsor - 2011-09-23 4:59 PM

Guys... help me out... this engine looks exactly like the engine in my 59 Canadian built Windsor... but mine "should" be a 361, right? is it just the color scheme that is the same?

bryan


Bryan, your engine is a 361 as a Canadian production car, and the 361 is a "B " wedge-head engine. The engine pictured above here is an "A" engine, Poly head, with the distributor at the rear. B engines have it at the front. Otherwise the Canadian cars mostly had silver blocks and black accessories, and black fender wells. Firewall should be body color.
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Posted 2011-09-24 7:58 PM (#290093 - in reply to #290082)
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Firewall should be body color.



...or that weird greenish-blueish-gray paint that they sprayed the underside of the trunks and firewalls with at the factory. In Canada, it seems for 1957-58 at least that the higher end cars got the body-colour painted firewalls and lower end got the grey paint

My car had the firewall painted body-colour originally and it was unfortunately painted black by the former owner.
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Posted 2011-10-03 12:49 AM (#291096 - in reply to #290093)
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imopar380 - 2011-09-24 5:51 PM

Firewall should be body color.


...or that weird greenish-blueish-gray paint that they sprayed the underside of the trunks and firewalls with at the factory. In Canada, it seems for 1957-58 at least that the higher end cars got the body-colour painted firewalls and lower end got the grey paint

My car had the firewall painted body-colour originally and it was unfortunately painted black by the former owner.


Chrysler of Canada was cheap - painting parts of cars different colours costs money. They used to charge $25-$30 for a two-tone, for example. Every Chryco that I can remember had the trunk and firewall painted body colour. My father owned a 1950 Dodge Special DeLuxe, a 1955 Dodge Regent, a 1965 Dodge 330 and a 1970 Dodge Polara - all built in Windsor and the body done in one colour, including the trunk and firewall. The same held for the the Canadian cars I owned - 1949 DeSoto, 1962 Valiant Signet, 1963 Valiant V200, 1965 Valiant Signet, and 1972 Dodge Dart. Plus with all the Chryco products I have looked over in junk yards over the years. My Newark-built 1972 Dodge Polara, however, had the trunk done in that spackle paint Mopar used.

Too many cars have seen "restored" over the years by people who believe Chrycos have greyish painted trunk floors as the American cars did. Same idea with the firewall - Fords supoposedly have it, so Chrycos do, tooffdfdf. Actually, I have a collection of road tests and owners reports on cars from the 1950's and 1960's, and I do not recall see any car with a firewall that was not body colour. The greyish covering under the car was done before the body colour so there may be some cars with an overspray of grey at the lower part of the firewall that was not covered over by the body colour.

Have also seen the same influence on 1941-1956 interior door handles. On Chrysler Corporation cars the interior door handles should be vertical, yet I have seen many installed as you would see on a Chevrolet or Ford - horizontally. As I told one Dodge owner - the owner's manual says you can lock the doors from the inside by pushing the handle forward. How do you push a handle forward when it is installed sideways?
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Posted 2011-10-03 12:53 PM (#291132 - in reply to #291096)
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imopar380 - 2011-09-24 5:51 PM

Firewall should be body color.


...or that weird greenish-blueish-gray paint that they sprayed the underside of the trunks and firewalls with at the factory. In Canada, it seems for 1957-58 at least that the higher end cars got the body-colour painted firewalls and lower end got the grey paint

My car had the firewall painted body-colour originally and it was unfortunately painted black by the former owner.


Chrysler of Canada was cheap - painting parts of cars different colours costs money. They used to charge $25-$30 for a two-tone, for example. Every Chryco that I can remember had the trunk and firewall painted body colour. My father owned a 1950 Dodge Special DeLuxe, a 1955 Dodge Regent, a 1965 Dodge 330 and a 1970 Dodge Polara - all built in Windsor and the body done in one colour, including the trunk and firewall. The same held for the the Canadian cars I owned - 1949 DeSoto, 1962 Valiant Signet, 1963 Valiant V200, 1965 Valiant Signet, and 1972 Dodge Dart. Plus with all the Chryco products I have looked over in junk yards over the years. My Newark-built 1972 Dodge Polara, however, had the trunk done in that spackle paint Mopar used.

Too many cars have seen "restored" over the years by people who believe Chrycos have greyish painted trunk floors as the American cars did. Same idea with the firewall - Fords supoposedly have it, so Chrycos do, tooffdfdf. Actually, I have a collection of road tests and owners reports on cars from the 1950's and 1960's, and I do not recall see any car with a firewall that was not body colour. The greyish covering under the car was done before the body colour so there may be some cars with an overspray of grey at the lower part of the firewall that was not covered over by the body colour.

Have also seen the same influence on 1941-1956 interior door handles. On Chrysler Corporation cars the interior door handles should be vertical, yet I have seen many installed as you would see on a Chevrolet or Ford - horizontally. As I told one Dodge owner - the owner's manual says you can lock the doors from the inside by pushing the handle forward. How do you push a handle forward when it is installed sideways?


Well, I stand by what I said, and let me show you a couple of Chryco cars with firewalls and trunks in that grey colour. They are just a sample of many Chryco cars I have documented with that factory grey paint. They are mostly Plodges, and all from 1957 to 1959.

First photo is a factory black 1959 Dodge Regent sedan.

Second pic is the trunk of a factory red and white 1958 Dodge Regent 2 door coupe.

Third and fourth photo are of the same factory beige 1958 Dodge Regent sedan.



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soiouz
Posted 2011-10-03 2:10 PM (#291146 - in reply to #233665)
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...and another example, our very own member "toddst"'s 1958 Dodge regent sedan:






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Posted 2011-10-03 5:17 PM (#291163 - in reply to #233665)
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...still looking through my pics, here's a 1957 Dodge Regent 2 door hardtop, in original red and white, with, yet again, the grey painted firewall. Didn't take a pic of the underside of the hood, but like all the other ones, it was grey. The second pic is a zoomed in portion of the first one.



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Posted 2011-10-03 5:27 PM (#291165 - in reply to #233665)
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...yet another one, this one a 1959 Mayfair two door hardtop. Harder to see a bit, as I was holding the hood with one hand and taking the pic with the other, but you can see in the upper left corner that this original blue car has a grey firewall. The trunk was grey on this one too.






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Posted 2011-10-03 5:33 PM (#291167 - in reply to #233665)
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....and another: this 1957 canadian-built Plymouth Belvedere sport coupe in gold and white sports the grey firewall too.





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Posted 2011-10-04 6:31 AM (#291231 - in reply to #233665)
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This 1957 Dodge Mayfair coupe has a grey trunk (I know it has a Plymouth front clip, the guy had started a movie car conversion on it - General Lee, I think). ;-)



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miquelonbrad
Posted 2011-10-07 9:18 AM (#291698 - in reply to #233665)
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Both my '57's have grey sprayed trunks, hoods, and firewalls. There is significant overspray on my hardtop, making the firewall look body colour at first glance...
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Posted 2011-10-28 1:46 PM (#294308 - in reply to #233665)
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Never really thought about underhood color and such... My fenderwells are black, firewall is painted a grey color, underside of hood is the same grey color. Engine color is silver, black accessories. Hood springs are red. Inside of trunk is painted body color.

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Posted 2011-10-30 5:42 PM (#294496 - in reply to #294308)
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Bryan1960Windsor - 2011-10-28 1:46 PM

Never really thought about underhood color and such... My fenderwells are black, firewall is painted a grey color, underside of hood is the same grey color. Engine color is silver, black accessories. Hood springs are red. Inside of trunk is painted body color.

bryan


Thanks a lot for posting these!! Your car is not only another excellent example of a canadian car with grey painted undehood, it also proves the grey paint was actually pretty randomly used, and not associated with lower priced cars.

I mean, your car is a full size '59 Chrysler and it has grey underhood and firewall and my own low-priced '59 Dodge Mayfair had the firewall and underhood painted body-colour. That's very interesting.
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Posted 2011-10-30 10:45 PM (#294536 - in reply to #294496)
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Curious question... was the Grey color a primer coat? were these cars meant to have body color on them in the end? Was it a 'busy friday' at the factory and these just were overlooked and shipped out the door in primer, without the body color put on?

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Posted 2011-10-31 7:28 AM (#294548 - in reply to #294536)
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Bryan1960Windsor - 2011-10-30 10:45 PM

Curious question... was the Grey color a primer coat? were these cars meant to have body color on them in the end? Was it a 'busy friday' at the factory and these just were overlooked and shipped out the door in primer, without the body color put on?

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As I understand it, the grey colour was a mix of residual paint used, you're right, as a primer coat, but not always covered in body colour paint afterwards, to save costs. The grey paint is not exceptional and not a mistake or an omission, it really was the company's way of doing these cars. I think the examples above show it was not a "busy friday" practice.

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Posted 2014-07-06 8:04 AM (#448023 - in reply to #233665)
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Bringing this thread back up for reference. A discussion on this grey primer in another thread reminded me of this one.
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Posted 2014-08-27 9:55 AM (#454343 - in reply to #233665)
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Interesting thread fellas and I have a couple of more questions to add. I have a 56 regent flat 6 and my first question is about engine and tranny color; would a 56 have a silver engine also like the later cars?
And regarding the engine bay and trunk to further my education, as a Plodge would my car likely have had the grey firewall and hood/trunk bottom? What color would the rest of the engine bay (inner fenders) have been? I have seen on other sites where they say the engine bay was dark grey, with the firewall being body color. Want to get this straight so that when it comes time to redo paint I do it correctly.
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